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Carl Spangler · 12-10-2013, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydurango

Thanks for the link! That's super-interesting - because my VIN breaks down as a Chevy, 4x4, V8, 1/2 ton (all correct), 1972 MY, and Baltimore-made. Which is curious, because the cab-mounted VIN indicates '72, but the door panels, mirror location, and absence of door panel screws under the vent windows indicate '71.

It's a mystery! Who knows what's happened to this truck in the last 40 years!

Is it an EARLY 72? Car manufacturers often use up "old" parts or make running changes in a model year.

cheers
JohnG

joeydurango · 12-10-2013, 11:40 PM

My wife was thinking the same thing. Perhaps that's what it is...

**JJorgensen52** · 12-11-2013, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spangler

Is it an EARLY 72? Car manufacturers often use up "old" parts or make running changes in a model year.

cheers
JohnG

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Originally Posted by joeydurango

My wife was thinking the same thing. Perhaps that's what it is...

Also just food for thought, I've been learning about this. Trucks built at the Oshawa plant for US market have some holdover parts, as well.

I would guess door replacements. Not unusual for them to rot out along the bottom pinch welds, and easy to make the swap!

**too much stuff** · 12-11-2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spangler

Is it an EARLY 72? Car manufacturers often use up "old" parts or make running changes in a model year.

cheers
JohnG

I would personally doubt this. You hear this mentioned quite often when something isn't quite right about a vehicle. Do you think GM would have used up old 71 parts and sold it as a new 72? I would guess it had a cab and door swap.

It is a nice looking truck either way and if the numbers all match up i wouldn't worry about it. Does it have a raised pad on the roof where the mirror mounts? Does the driver door still have the blue sticker on the frame?

joeydurango · 12-11-2013, 11:14 AM

Yeah, not really worried about it - it's just curious. I could see door swaps easily, but the '71 mirror mount (that raised pad) looks 40 years old, and it's just odd that the cab mounted VIN indicates '72 if the cab were swapped.

I'll have to check the frame VIN just to see if they match. Either way, I'm not anxious about it - I just like to know as much as I can about most things I'm involved in...

Bigdav160 · 12-11-2013, 11:49 AM

Does your VIN tag in the door jam have "flower head" rivets? That is the type used by the factory.

If the VIN tag has been removed and reinstalled it's unlikely that type would have been used.

Keith Seymore · 12-11-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigdav160

Does your VIN tag in the door jam have "flower head" rivets? That is the type used by the factory.

If the VIN tag has been removed and reinstalled it's unlikely that type would have been used.

"Rosette" rivet, I believe, is the name you are looking for.

K

Bigdav160 · 12-11-2013, 04:33 PM

Yes, thanks. I remembered, later, after I posted.

markallen · 12-11-2013, 06:06 PM

The mirror placement doesn't mean much...maybe someone got tired of their mirror falling in the floorboard and having to reglue it so the mounted it to the roof .

MARKDTN · 12-12-2013, 08:35 AM

Could be that a long time ago somebody made 2 wrecks into a nice truck. It is a nice truck, enjoy!

joeydurango · 02-09-2014, 08:41 PM

Just to close this out - was digging through old service records from the PO and found the answer to the possible cab swap question. Lots of service records with the same VIN currently on the cab and also stamped on the frame (found it), but only back to a certain date. Before that, a different VIN for a few service records - then, even earlier, the original and correct VIN again. My educated guess at this point, knowing the PO had the truck for decades, is that at some point he had rusted out doors/rocker and kick panels, did a cab swap, and when he finally painted the whole truck he swapped the original VIN plate back. The odd VIN decoded as a 1970 C10 2wd from St. Louis, which means the cab/doors are '70, and the rest of the truck is '72 K10.

The frame shop's done their work (we were already straight, now solid as well), the front end is done, brakes are done... LS/4l60 swap to go, and crossing fingers we don't need major suspension work. Getting there!

1971 cheburban · 02-10-2014, 12:03 AM

My two and four wheel drive trucks are both titled C/K 10 or C/K 20, it doesn't really help but that's what the title says and I just wonder if it's how they do the title?

Carl Spangler · 02-10-2014, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydurango

Just to close this out - was digging through old service records from the PO and found the answer to the possible cab swap question. Lots of service records with the same VIN currently on the cab and also stamped on the frame (found it), but only back to a certain date. Before that, a different VIN for a few service records - then, even earlier, the original and correct VIN again. My educated guess at this point, knowing the PO had the truck for decades, is that at some point he had rusted out doors/rocker and kick panels, did a cab swap, and when he finally painted the whole truck he swapped the original VIN plate back. The odd VIN decoded as a 1970 C10 2wd from St. Louis, which means the cab/doors are '70, and the rest of the truck is '72 K10.

The frame shop's done their work (we were already straight, now solid as well), the front end is done, brakes are done... LS/4l60 swap to go, and crossing fingers we don't need major suspension work. Getting there!

Thanks for the update. Sounds like a very nice truck and one that has some interesting history behind it!

cheers
JohnG

joeydurango · 02-10-2014, 11:56 AM

Pretty sure C/K 10, 20, whatever, is just the easy way to refer to this line of trucks in a non-specific way. Could see that being used on a title for sure, they probably don't care about the specifics beyond the VIN...

67ChevyRedneck · 02-10-2014, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 1971 cheburban

My two and four wheel drive trucks are both titled C/K 10 or C/K 20, it doesn't really help but that's what the title says and I just wonder if it's how they do the title?

If you're not referring to the VIN itself, the C/K designation was probably up to whoever typed up your title that day. I think mine says C10, but that's because that is what I put in the box when I had it transferred to my name.

burnin oil · 02-10-2014, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by too much stuff

I would personally doubt this. You hear this mentioned quite often when something isn't quite right about a vehicle. Do you think GM would have used up old 71 parts and sold it as a new 72? I would guess it had a cab and door swap.

It is a nice looking truck either way and if the numbers all match up i wouldn't worry about it. Does it have a raised pad on the roof where the mirror mounts? Does the driver door still have the blue sticker on the frame?

This is very common actually. The parts are not used just last years model parts. Look in our catalogs and you will see 66 model year arm rests for early 67. Once the supply was exhausted, mminus parts for the parts department, the new style part would hit the assembly line. In the 70s GM made trucks called "Bonanza" (sp) package. They were whatever the assembly line had an abundance of to get rid off. You may have one style trim on the outside and another inside etc. All new parts but cleaning out the bin. Alot of times it was just oddball options.

**Classic Heartbeat** · 02-10-2014, 01:30 PM

All 2WD have a "C" designation, All 4WD have a "K" designation.
All 72 light duty trucks have molded plastic door panels.
All 72 light duty trucks have the screw in the door just below the wing window.
All 72 light duty trucks have their rear view mirrors glued to the windshield.

Any varience from that would be 71 or earlier.

Example: All 71 and earlier trucks have flat steel door panels. Some of witch could be vinal covered depending on the trim level package.

Any variation in the vin lets say a 4X4 with a "C" designation is either a truck with a cab swap or a frame that has been converted.

WES

joeydurango · 02-10-2014, 01:37 PM

Our truck is a '72 with a '70 cab and doors. Original VIN from the '72 portion - the '72 cab VIN plate - begins with "CK", which, as I've learned, means Chevrolet 4x4, although earlier years of 4x4 simply began with K.

There seems to be a lot of different interpretations on how to read these things, but this interpretation matches up with the most sources I've found.

**RenoKeene** · 02-10-2014, 02:49 PM

At this point the only issue would be the rosette rivets in the vin plate. Some (99%) DMVs frown on incorrect rivets. Are yours rosettes?

joeydurango · 02-10-2014, 04:19 PM

Nope - the VIN plate was obviously removed and replaced with different rivets. So we had to go through a whole state trooper inspection, VIN check, blah blah blah - took over six weeks from inspection to getting plates. But we're all legal now, with a new assigned VIN for legal purposes, and we didn't even have to bond for title.

DaHateTank · 02-10-2014, 05:03 PM

When you mentioned differing VINs on the service records, C10 on tht title, etc., I wondered if you might run into trouble with the govt. They don't like mismtched VIN stampings, etc. People used to always bring this up, when dealing with swapped cabs, frames, etc.

Im glad to hear that it turned out OK, with the inspection. Looks like a nice truck. Congrats!

-M

12-10-2013, 11:40 PM	#27
joeydurango Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Durango, CO Posts: 827	Re: Did Chevy make a C-series 4x4? My wife was thinking the same thing. Perhaps that's what it is...

12-11-2013, 11:14 AM	#30
joeydurango Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Durango, CO Posts: 827	Re: Did Chevy make a C-series 4x4? Yeah, not really worried about it - it's just curious. I could see door swaps easily, but the '71 mirror mount (that raised pad) looks 40 years old, and it's just odd that the cab mounted VIN indicates '72 if the cab were swapped. I'll have to check the frame VIN just to see if they match. Either way, I'm not anxious about it - I just like to know as much as I can about most things I'm involved in...

12-11-2013, 11:49 AM	#31
Bigdav160 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Klein Texas Posts: 3,852	Re: Did Chevy make a C-series 4x4? Does your VIN tag in the door jam have "flower head" rivets? That is the type used by the factory. If the VIN tag has been removed and reinstalled it's unlikely that type would have been used. __________________ My Classics: '72 K20 Suburban + '65 Dodge Town Wagon '72 Corvette Roadster +'67 Corvette Roadster '73 Z-28 Camaro '63 Ford SWB Uni Pickup '50 Ford Coupe

12-11-2013, 04:33 PM	#33
Bigdav160 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Klein Texas Posts: 3,852	Re: Did Chevy make a C-series 4x4? Yes, thanks. I remembered, later, after I posted. __________________ My Classics: '72 K20 Suburban + '65 Dodge Town Wagon '72 Corvette Roadster +'67 Corvette Roadster '73 Z-28 Camaro '63 Ford SWB Uni Pickup '50 Ford Coupe

12-11-2013, 06:06 PM	#34
markallen Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Meridian, Mississippi Posts: 67	Re: Did Chevy make a C-series 4x4? The mirror placement doesn't mean much...maybe someone got tired of their mirror falling in the floorboard and having to reglue it so the mounted it to the roof .

12-12-2013, 08:35 AM	#35
MARKDTN Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 2,165	Re: Did Chevy make a C-series 4x4? Could be that a long time ago somebody made 2 wrecks into a nice truck. It is a nice truck, enjoy! __________________ '83 K20-TPI '73 C10 '79 C10-ex-diesel(SOLD) '07 Tahoe(Son driving) '14 Suburban-DD '71 C10-current project

02-09-2014, 08:41 PM	#36
joeydurango Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Durango, CO Posts: 827	Re: Did Chevy make a C-series 4x4? Just to close this out - was digging through old service records from the PO and found the answer to the possible cab swap question. Lots of service records with the same VIN currently on the cab and also stamped on the frame (found it), but only back to a certain date. Before that, a different VIN for a few service records - then, even earlier, the original and correct VIN again. My educated guess at this point, knowing the PO had the truck for decades, is that at some point he had rusted out doors/rocker and kick panels, did a cab swap, and when he finally painted the whole truck he swapped the original VIN plate back. The odd VIN decoded as a 1970 C10 2wd from St. Louis, which means the cab/doors are '70, and the rest of the truck is '72 K10. The frame shop's done their work (we were already straight, now solid as well), the front end is done, brakes are done... LS/4l60 swap to go, and crossing fingers we don't need major suspension work. Getting there! __________________ 1972 K10 Cheyenne Super \| LWB, fleetside \| 350/350/205 \| KEEPER 1971 K10 Cheyenne \| SWB, fleetside \| LS Swap 5.3/4L60 \| SOLD 1976 Trans Am \| 400/4-spd \| SOLD 1976 Trans Am \| 455/4-spd \| TOTALED

02-10-2014, 12:03 AM	#37
1971 cheburban Registered User Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Wellsville,ohio Posts: 140	Re: Did Chevy make a C-series 4x4? My two and four wheel drive trucks are both titled C/K 10 or C/K 20, it doesn't really help but that's what the title says and I just wonder if it's how they do the title?

02-10-2014, 11:56 AM	#39
joeydurango Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Durango, CO Posts: 827	Re: Did Chevy make a C-series 4x4? Pretty sure C/K 10, 20, whatever, is just the easy way to refer to this line of trucks in a non-specific way. Could see that being used on a title for sure, they probably don't care about the specifics beyond the VIN... __________________ 1972 K10 Cheyenne Super \| LWB, fleetside \| 350/350/205 \| KEEPER 1971 K10 Cheyenne \| SWB, fleetside \| LS Swap 5.3/4L60 \| SOLD 1976 Trans Am \| 400/4-spd \| SOLD 1976 Trans Am \| 455/4-spd \| TOTALED

02-10-2014, 01:30 PM	#42
Classic Heartbeat Project Junkie! Fishing Poor!! Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Olympia,Wa. 98512 Posts: 10,766	Re: Did Chevy make a C-series 4x4? All 2WD have a "C" designation, All 4WD have a "K" designation. All 72 light duty trucks have molded plastic door panels. All 72 light duty trucks have the screw in the door just below the wing window. All 72 light duty trucks have their rear view mirrors glued to the windshield. Any varience from that would be 71 or earlier. Example: All 71 and earlier trucks have flat steel door panels. Some of witch could be vinal covered depending on the trim level package. Any variation in the vin lets say a 4X4 with a "C" designation is either a truck with a cab swap or a frame that has been converted. WES __________________ On-line catolog Classic Heartbeat Pickup Parts WEHEPP@comcast.net Call us Toll Free (888) 338-2502 Like Us on Facebook No appointment necessary. 72 BB Chevy Custom Deluxe / Custom Camper 67 I-6 (Soon to be 5.7 LS1) Panel 68 BB Chevy Short Bed 72 6.0 LQ9 Short Bed Chevy 4X4 Olympia's fastest growing truck parts supplier. Olympia's home for Wayward Chevys

02-10-2014, 01:37 PM	#43
joeydurango Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Durango, CO Posts: 827	Re: Did Chevy make a C-series 4x4? Our truck is a '72 with a '70 cab and doors. Original VIN from the '72 portion - the '72 cab VIN plate - begins with "CK", which, as I've learned, means Chevrolet 4x4, although earlier years of 4x4 simply began with K. There seems to be a lot of different interpretations on how to read these things, but this interpretation matches up with the most sources I've found. __________________ 1972 K10 Cheyenne Super \| LWB, fleetside \| 350/350/205 \| KEEPER 1971 K10 Cheyenne \| SWB, fleetside \| LS Swap 5.3/4L60 \| SOLD 1976 Trans Am \| 400/4-spd \| SOLD 1976 Trans Am \| 455/4-spd \| TOTALED

02-10-2014, 02:49 PM	#44
RenoKeene Florida Edition Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Fruitland Park, FL Posts: 4,028	Re: Did Chevy make a C-series 4x4? At this point the only issue would be the rosette rivets in the vin plate. Some (99%) DMVs frown on incorrect rivets. Are yours rosettes? __________________ 70 GMC Short Stepside "Rose"-An American Beauty: Factory 402/TH400, AM/FM, AC, Tilt, Tach, Buckets, Posi, PS, PB, 3-5 Drop, Complete Resto-Rod 67 C-20 Slant Back Wrecker "Mad Max" 67 C-10 Ratrod "Step-N-Wolf" 71 Serro Scotty Sportsman camper "Scotty" 97 LT1 Z28 "The Hornet" Link to more pics of "Rose" http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/a...p?albumid=1684 Check out my "Cheap Tricks" thread and add to it if you can, lots of good info there. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=489394

02-10-2014, 04:19 PM	#45
joeydurango Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Durango, CO Posts: 827	Re: Did Chevy make a C-series 4x4? Nope - the VIN plate was obviously removed and replaced with different rivets. So we had to go through a whole state trooper inspection, VIN check, blah blah blah - took over six weeks from inspection to getting plates. But we're all legal now, with a new assigned VIN for legal purposes, and we didn't even have to bond for title. __________________ 1972 K10 Cheyenne Super \| LWB, fleetside \| 350/350/205 \| KEEPER 1971 K10 Cheyenne \| SWB, fleetside \| LS Swap 5.3/4L60 \| SOLD 1976 Trans Am \| 400/4-spd \| SOLD 1976 Trans Am \| 455/4-spd \| TOTALED

02-10-2014, 05:03 PM	#46
DaHateTank Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 119	Re: Did Chevy make a C-series 4x4? When you mentioned differing VINs on the service records, C10 on tht title, etc., I wondered if you might run into trouble with the govt. They don't like mismtched VIN stampings, etc. People used to always bring this up, when dealing with swapped cabs, frames, etc. Im glad to hear that it turned out OK, with the inspection. Looks like a nice truck. Congrats! -M



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