Starting question

[Dm1pfoy1]

So on truck swapped out starter. Started great than hard bit of kick back one start. Got underneath and bolts were loose. So tightened them. Truck started great for a day. Hot and cold starts. Then went out next day and did a bit of kick back on 3 starts. So jacked truck up loosened and retightened bolts again. This time I felt I got tbem good and tight immediately tried to start and did it again. So just left it. So the bit of kick back is just like 1 to 2 seconds then truns fine. What am I missing here is it timing?

[Wrenchbender Ret]

Sounds like you have too much initial timing.

[Dm1pfoy1]

Going to look at that just has been driving me crazy when its cooler air temp it has less issues when its warmer air temp or engine is warmer seems more common should I cut it like 4 degrees? Or whats common practice for issue?

[ole dollor]

x 2 on the timing , easy to check, also battery cable may be two small or corroded . good luck on your truck ...

[msgdsrf]

I'd definetly look at the battery cable. That it's in great condition and properly sized for the length you're running it.

[Dm1pfoy1]

Yeah everything is connected. Tight and proper length and gauge. So with timing how far should I step it back? Going to do this tomorrow.

[Boog]

Basically lower the timing 2* at a time and drive it. You lower the timing until it starts easily when fully warmed up.

[RichardJ]

1. It didn't do it on the old starter.

2. He changed the starter not the distributor.

3. Too much timing isn't going to loosen starter bolts.

Did you shim the starter properly and is it noisy? Was it loose the first time because you forgot to tighten the bolts?
You need to check the ring gear to see if the loose starter caused damage.
What was wrong with the old starter that it needed to be replaced?

[Boog]

Too much timing doesn't loosen starter bolts. The kickback does that. It's common for the starter nose cone to be damaged by the kickback also, moreso with cheap aftermarket nose cones.
Make sure you have the appropriate "starter" bolts. They are knurled to keep the starter aligned.

[msgdsrf]

Ditto

Originally Posted by RichardJ

1. It didn't do it on the old starter.

2. He changed the starter not the distributor.

3. Too much timing isn't going to loosen starter bolts.

Did you shim the starter properly and is it noisy? Was it loose the first time because you forgot to tighten the bolts?
You need to check the ring gear to see if the loose starter caused damage.
What was wrong with the old starter that it needed to be replaced?

[oklalawnboy]

Make sure the block isn't cracked on the outboard starter hole. My starter kept loosening, it was because of the block cracked. I would retighten and it would start fine for 3 or 4 times then grinding again.

[Dm1pfoy1]

Ok so original starter did work fine. One day went to start and broke piece off gear (it was well sub zero day it did this). That starter was not oe was smaller like high torque style but was reman.

I had it re-built. Had pain getting it back in was advised by friend bolts were wrong and would need to replace I had planned to do so once I had truck back at my house and out of storage where it broke initally.

So got it back and it broke shortly there arter snapped nose cone. So replaced starter with oe
I had simultaneous failure of voltage regulator dragging starter issue out till alt was replaced with internal regulated.

Bolts on selinoid are secure and wrapped starter with thermal fabric and steel zips.
On first time starter bolts may not have been 100% tight but I know they are now.

I'm confused because kick back before (old starter) was worse than now where truck will most of time start so quiet I swear it wouldnt wake a baby. But maybe 30 or 40% of time I will still get tiny bit of kick back. Enough to make noise then is gone. There is no damage or breaks on ring gear. I havee checked thoroughly.

Had hard start at 3 yesterday started fine at 1 and was driven to temp today then hard start again about 330 to 4 engine was still warm.

Originally starter had 0 shims on 1st replacement had 20

on new starter replaced bolts and with 20 shim again.

I hope I got all the questions.

[Dm1pfoy1]

Retimed it today and alot better. All around performance seems betrer too.

[ole dollor]

Originally Posted by Dm1pfoy1

Retimed it today and alot better. All around performance seems betrer too.

that's good to hear....now you can take her out and have fun with it.

[Dm1pfoy1]

Originally Posted by ole dollor

that's good to hear....now you can take her out and have fun with it.

Thanks going to do so tomorrow. Thank you for your earlier reply as well.

[Hawghauler]

You might consider how old your timing chain is, this may be the cause of the orgina kick back problem that broke the starter in the first place. If you have to adjust your timing on an older engine after years of good service, most likely you chain has stretched.

[davepl]

Starter still needs to be set up properly if it's going to live. Should be a little piece of paper explaining it, and if they're nice, a couple of shims in the box. If not the shims should be at any auto parts store.

You might get lucky and find out that zero shims are required and it would have been OK if you had done nothing (as you haven't). But usually it needs a little help on direction or the other.