Register or Log In To remove these advertisements. |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
08-28-2014, 11:35 PM | #1 |
Registered User
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 984
|
Vortec or not? U be the judge
Does this engine look like a 5.3 or 5.7 it doesn't really look like a vortec to me. Interested in buying this truck but the owner does not know what the engine it is. The truck is a '70 chevy suburban with a vortec swap. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
__________________
Rest In Peace:Mikhail {Mickey Rooney} Alpha 2/5/13 Omega 7/22/14 10:28AM I love you tremendously and outragiously Superpuppi Thai Ridgeback...The most intelligent dog known to me. Don't mess with my truck, my momma or my money...not necessarily in that order. ©Stand for something or fall for anything. [LIST][*]'98 Bourbon St. Brawl ©2010
|
08-28-2014, 11:46 PM | #2 |
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Jasper, IN
Posts: 948
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
If it has the centerbolt valve covers and only 8 bolts for the intake it's vortec, i believe.
__________________
When in doubt, throttle it out! 1974 Chevrolet Custom K20 2005 Ford Ranger Edge 1985 Chevrolet Custom Deluxe C10 |
08-28-2014, 11:47 PM | #3 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Caldwell,Tx.
Posts: 3,648
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
Not a close enough pic but it sure looks like it could be a vortex engine.
Frank
__________________
Born and proudly residing in a Red State ! |
08-29-2014, 12:19 AM | #4 |
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Temple City
Posts: 3,628
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
I have worked 60 hours so far this week, but my guess would be a LT-1 350. Plus one of the kits I was shopping on a LT-1 swap used that type of accessory arrangement.
350 or 305 Vortec engines do not use that type of water neck. Rather TBI or Vortec headed Vortec engines. 88-97 trucks, or 04 Vans. LS series Vortec or just LS series engines can not use what appear to me to be Ram Horns. |
08-29-2014, 12:51 AM | #5 |
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Morgantown, Wv
Posts: 294
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
Hard to tell from the Picture. But here's the Vortec 5.7 when I was putting it in my truck earlier this year.
Doesn't look like an Ls 5.3 to me. No coil packs and the valve covers look like center bolt style.
__________________
87 V20, Vortec 350, Sm465, Np205, Dana 44, 14bff 4.10's |
08-29-2014, 01:05 AM | #6 |
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Morgantown, Wv
Posts: 294
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
Then again, I found this pic on the forums. So I think Ziegelsteinfaust is right LT-1
__________________
87 V20, Vortec 350, Sm465, Np205, Dana 44, 14bff 4.10's Last edited by csdineley; 08-29-2014 at 01:15 AM. |
08-29-2014, 04:32 AM | #7 |
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: homestead florida
Posts: 312
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
|
08-29-2014, 06:55 AM | #8 |
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Lubbock, TX
Posts: 2,047
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
Get the casting number off of the tranny ledge on the driver's side of the block and post it here.
|
08-29-2014, 07:12 AM | #9 |
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: .
Posts: 2,187
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
Center bolt valve covers started with tbi in 87. vortec was 96-00 and used 8 bolts to attach the intake manifold. The engine in the first pic looks like an lt1 with the water outlet/waterpump
|
08-29-2014, 10:09 AM | #10 |
Registered User
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 984
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
LT1 brings value down substantially, doesn't it? (asking price is 5k) Vs. Vortec 5.7, 5.3...what are the benefits with lt1 vs. stock engine, didn't most 1970 burbs come with a 350?
__________________
Rest In Peace:Mikhail {Mickey Rooney} Alpha 2/5/13 Omega 7/22/14 10:28AM I love you tremendously and outragiously Superpuppi Thai Ridgeback...The most intelligent dog known to me. Don't mess with my truck, my momma or my money...not necessarily in that order. ©Stand for something or fall for anything. [LIST][*]'98 Bourbon St. Brawl ©2010
|
08-29-2014, 11:29 AM | #11 |
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Glen St. Mary, Florida
Posts: 304
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
Look at the intake manifold bolts. If the bolts are angled towards the head then they are most likely just center bolt valve covers. If the bolts are pointed straight towards the ground then is should have the Vortec heads. I discovered this a few years back when trying to install a older aluminum intake on a Vortec engine.
Judging from what I can see in your original post, that is a 350 (5.7L) and not a Gen III 5.3L. The 350 will have a distributor on the back of the intake. The 5.3L does not because it uses coil packs.
__________________
86 Chevrolet K10 350/SM465 Frankie SOLD 1995 GMC Yukon GT SOLD 1996 GMC Yukon GT 2010 Suburban 1500 4x4 5.3l/6L80e. Sold 2016 Silverado 2500HD Crew Cab 4x4 6.0l/6L80e |
08-29-2014, 08:37 PM | #12 |
Registered User
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 984
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
Hey, guys found out that it is def a lt1 guy talked to po...question is he's come down to 4k cash...how many miles are too many? Is that a fair deal?
__________________
Rest In Peace:Mikhail {Mickey Rooney} Alpha 2/5/13 Omega 7/22/14 10:28AM I love you tremendously and outragiously Superpuppi Thai Ridgeback...The most intelligent dog known to me. Don't mess with my truck, my momma or my money...not necessarily in that order. ©Stand for something or fall for anything. [LIST][*]'98 Bourbon St. Brawl ©2010
|
08-29-2014, 09:58 PM | #13 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Caldwell,Tx.
Posts: 3,648
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
Quote:
Frank
__________________
Born and proudly residing in a Red State ! |
|
08-30-2014, 09:02 AM | #14 |
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Preble county ohio
Posts: 1,914
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
not an lt1 either, the lt1 has the optispark distributor behind the waterpump, that is just a centerbolt 5.7 with a serpentine setup on it, and it looks aftermarket
__________________
"DON'T TOUCH THE TRIM!!"-Early Kyler |
08-30-2014, 09:32 AM | #15 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: .
Posts: 2,187
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
Quote:
With a different manifold, you can run an hei dist. a lot easier to work on than optispark. |
|
08-30-2014, 10:34 AM | #16 |
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Preble county ohio
Posts: 1,914
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
true, but dont lt1s have a reverse flow coolant path as well? but guess you could change the water pump too
__________________
"DON'T TOUCH THE TRIM!!"-Early Kyler |
08-30-2014, 11:51 AM | #17 |
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Reading, PA
Posts: 203
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
Yes, LT1s have the reverse coolant, with the crossover tube from head to head at the back of the motor. They can be modified to run carbureter/HEI distributor.
If you get rid of the optispark, you've essentially gotten rid of that engine's weakest point. LT1s are solid motors that can run higher compression due to the reverse cooling. That would not scare me away at all. I've owned two 200K+ mileage LT1 cars. |
08-30-2014, 11:54 AM | #18 |
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Temple City
Posts: 3,628
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
The LT1 uses a distributor built in to the water pump, but it can easily be removed. I heard a large freeze plug works good. They still have the factory gear on the cam for a distributor.
Yes they are reverse cooled, but GMPP still has a carb'd manifold for them. The best part about them is they are good for almost 350 hp with a carb set-up, and full bolt-ons. Depending on condition of the motor you start with, and which version too. Iron headed ones flow more cfm then aluminum other then LT-4. A cheap build for a Vortec headed 350 is to use any of the LT-1 series cams, and they can be good for 330+hp with out a loss of torque. When I was shopping LT-1's or a Vortec build I would of used the B body cam for a touch more low-end. |
08-30-2014, 01:05 PM | #19 |
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Preble county ohio
Posts: 1,914
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
is that the cam from the 91c cars?
__________________
"DON'T TOUCH THE TRIM!!"-Early Kyler |
08-30-2014, 02:52 PM | #20 |
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: OC CA
Posts: 1,374
|
Re: Vortec or not? U be the judge
Any Y or F body LT1 cam will be a significant improvement over vortec or even 9C1 cam, just have to replace or trim dowel pin:
Vortec L31 cam (GM #10241264) 96 to 01 191/196 0.050 duration; 0.414/0.428 Lift; LSA 111 Factory LTx Camshaft Specifications: 1992 Y-body: 205/207 0.451/0.450 lift 117 LSA 1993-1995 Y-body, F-body: 202/207 0.450/0.460 lift 116 LSA 1994-1996 B-bodies (including L99 4.3L): 191/196 0.418/0.430 lift 111 LSA 1996 Y-body, 1996-1997 F-body: 200/207 0.447/0.459 lift 117 LSA 1996 Y-body, F-body LT4: 203/210 0.476/0.479 lift 115 LSA
__________________
"The Beast" 1975 Chevrolet C20 longbed 350/700R4! with 3inch body lift Dual Flowmasters Super 40's! TBI retrofit completed (2007-07-29) New 383CID (+030) 08-304-8 9.5:1CR x36,005 (2012-12-17) |
Bookmarks |
|
|