16 x 7 wheels on 3600?

[Michel]

Hi

I have found some 16 x 7 steel wheels in UK as replacement of the genuine 15 x 6 which removable ring actually installed on my second serie 3600 from 1955.
I cannot test the wheels on my truck as it is a bit far away and cannot go there with the truck.

Do you think these wheels will fit on my truck as direct replacement? They are 4 in back space with 8 lugs on 6.5 in. For sure I will have to replace the actual tires 195R15 to 225/75-16.

Thank you for your help.
Michel

[OrrieG]

Only issue might be the center hole if they are Ford or Dodge wheels. I can't remember which but one of the three manf. has a smaller center hole. Lug pattern are the same. Height issues can be resolved using a lower profile tire. Here is a pic of mine with 235/75-16 tires on 74 16" rims, know it 4wd but move the tire up 4" in your mind. In the pic below you can see a 1 ton 16" split rim from when mine was 2WD. Never had any clearance issues. I think the tire size was 6.75 or 7.50 x 15 bias ply.

[whitedog76]

Shouldn't be a problem at all. 4.25 inches of backspace is the absolute most you can fit on these trucks without interferance. The center hole shouldn't matter as long as your new rims are stud piloted (tapered lug nut) and not hub piloted.

Here is a picture of a Ford 16x6.5 rim on my 54.

Here's my photobucket page with more pictures and comparisons.

http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/wh...08315888966685

[Michel]

Thank you for your replies; These are very instructive.
I will order the 16x7 wheels and install 225/75-16.
You are a great source of information for me!

[Apachemike]

Small correction here:
NEWER Ford wheels, don't have the years offhand have a smaller diameter center hole and will not fit the 3600. I never measured but this was what I had read on several sites. I can't find the paper I wrote down all the specs but I needed spacers (I used 1.5 inch) on the fronts of my 58 3600, 8 inch though[/URL][/IMG]. The wheels are from a 2000 chevy

[Apachemike]

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[Apachemike]

Pre 99 Ford are ok

[G&R's57GMC]

These are 16x7 6 lug on my NAPCO with 265 70R 16's .

They fit under the fenders with room to spare. I also have a 3100 with 31 10.5 x 15's on my 56 2wd that fit under the fenders on 15x7's

BTW the wheels you found with removable rings are split rims, Don't mess with them they are killers ! Besides they were never designed for modern tires and they require tubes.

If they have any flaws in the rim or locking ring surfaces they can explode on inflation or any other time sending the ring flying. This is what makes them killers !

[whitedog76]

Originally Posted by Apachemike

Small correction here:
NEWER Ford wheels, don't have the years offhand have a smaller diameter center hole and will not fit the 3600.

The pre-1997 8 lug truck rims and virtually all the 8 lug van rims will work.

[1-ton of fun]

I put 16x7 wheels on my '59 3600 to get it out of the field and roll around before it removed the 8-lug axles. I think they were a 3.5" backspace. They cleared fine.

[DransportGarage]

This is why you should avoid split rims. The third example is an 8-lug rim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQbKCd3ezrA

[Shox Dr]

Originally Posted by DransportGarage

This is why you should avoid split rims. The third example is an 8-lug rim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQbKCd3ezrA

That tyre came off the fixed bead side not the hoop side.

Get your facts right.

Installing or running spilt rim wheels and tyres is no more dangerous than any other setup.

Not adhering to the rules, and pressures etc, and H&S and you can expect to get ***** slapped bigtime

[DransportGarage]

Originally Posted by Shox Dr

That tyre came off the fixed bead side not the hoop side.

Get your facts right.

Installing or running spilt rim wheels and tyres is no more dangerous than any other setup.

Not adhering to the rules, and pressures etc, and H&S and you can expect to get ***** slapped bigtime

Get my facts right? Sorry I commented. Was just trying to help.

[mr48chev]

Originally Posted by Shox Dr

That tyre came off the fixed bead side not the hoop side.

Get your facts right.

Installing or running spilt rim wheels and tyres is no more dangerous than any other setup.

Not adhering to the rules, and pressures etc, and H&S and you can expect to get ***** slapped bigtime

You may not think that it is dangerous and adhere to proper safety rules for working on one but what I have seen in the years I worked in tire shops was that too many split rims were damaged long before they got to that shop. In UK the concern for worker safety may not be as strong as it is here in the US but we have a large number of tire shops here that do not allow split rims to be worked on at their facilities period and underlined.
The tire chain I deal with and have done business with for the past 37 years has a corporate policy that you are fired on the spot if you roll a split rim in the shop and start working on it.

Split rims were designed at a time when there wasn't the tire changing equipment was usually manually operated and the 8 and 10 ply were too stiff to take off and on a regular rim. With modern tire equipment that isn't an issue any longer.

When you argue on this remember that you might just encourage some new guy who has never seen one of these rims to air up that flat tire on a split rim with a bit of extra air with his face hovering over the rim or crouched in front of the rim while it's on the rig while not knowing if it has been damaged or compromised. I really do not want to open up a page on this board with a thread started by a family member of one of our members saying that that member had been severely injured or killed while airing up a tire on one of these rims. Safety trumps "authentic" and "I never had a problem".

[OrrieG]

Originally Posted by Shox Dr

Get your facts right.

Around here average customer orientated tire shops will not work on split rims and the commercial shops don't like to. I ran a motor pool in the Army and we had a cage we put them into when removing and airing up split ring rims. We had our fair share pop when airing them up. The main motor pool had a pretty gruesome photo of a guys head split open when a ring came off un-restrained. In the field we carried lots of chains to wrap them in case we had to do field repairs. My preference was to carry lots of spares. Everyone has different levels of risk in different situations. You may be the guy who changes a 100 with no problems. The comments are for the guy who has never encountered one and risks getting hurt the first time, not knowing the forces involved.

[Shox Dr]

That's fair enough.

But spreading untruths does not, help them one bit.

If you are daft enough to go home after the tyre shop has told you they won't work on them. (usually because they either don't have the right equipment or no one is trained to use it.)

And try to do it yourself without the knowledge and equipment then like I say Darwin takes care of them.

[DransportGarage]

Originally Posted by Shox Dr

<snip> ...But spreading untruths does not, help them one bit... <snip>

Do you even know, 12 post into your association with this board, that in addition to supporting your viewpoint you are making personal accusations?

[Shox Dr]

Do I know what? I know the number of posts have little to do with anything discussed in this thread, or does the number of posts make what you post more believeable?

[G&R's57GMC]

If no one has noticed the O.P. has not been back to this thread since post #4 where he said thanks and ordered 16x7 " rims and 225/75-16 tires.

As for untruths and accusations , ENOUGH !

We seem to be of the general consensus that split rims are DANGEROUS and should be left in the scrap heap.

[Michel]

Thank you all for your messages. I have been out for a big part of the week-end. It seems that I wrongly explained. So I have ordered one piece wheels of 16 x 7" for replacement of the actual 15 x 6" split ones.

Sorry again for confusion, I am french so english is not my native language.

[DransportGarage]

Originally Posted by Michel

Thank you all for your messages. I have been out for a big part of the week-end. It seems that I wrongly explained. So I have ordered one piece wheels of 16 x 7" for replacement of the actual 15 x 6" split ones.

Sorry again for confusion, I am french so english is not my native language.

Smart move, Michel. I hope we have helped you. Your English was excellent! My French? Not so good...