Show Entry Question of Ethics

[jbreeves72C10]

Hi Forum Members,
I have a question of ethics that I am not sure about and would like your input. I have an almost restored C10 and have entered and won several car shows in the Dallas area. My question is what class to enter to be politically correct. The chassis, engine, transmission, drum brakes, spring suspension, steering, etc are 68. The front clip and bumper is 70. The cab VIN comes back as 72. Should I enter into the 60-70 trucks based on the majority of the parts or the 70-80 class based on the VIN? I have always entered by the VIN but the last show I entered in the 68 class and won. I wasn't sure if I should feel bad or not.
Thanks,
JB

[leftybass209]

Strange question. Does your DMV recognize the frame vin, or the cab vin and how is your truck registered?

Take the year it's registered, and if nothing is shady about it, use that and feel confident about it. If it's purposely body swapped and presented to the DMV as something else, morals and ethics are out the window at that point.

Really I don't see an issue entering it in either class. I'd say the way they set those years are pretty screwy, as all trucks were doing a body-style change in the early 70's.

[jocko]

I'd enter as 72 based on VIN. But, don't feel bad because of winning in the 68 class. Now, if you decided to run in the 68 class when you saw a couple of killer rides in the 70+ class, well, er, um, you could feel a little bad, but, it'll pass. Ha. Seriously, don't sweat it, either way is fine.

[GASoline71]

I wouldn't feel bad at all.

I've seen $35,000 dollar show rigs chasing trophies in the "unfinished" class because they were missing a rear view mirror... now that calls ethics into play!

Gary

[jbreeves72C10]

Now that is bad..! Trophies aren't THAT important...lol. My thinking was that the body style, 68 or 72, is not the square body that started in 73. So, if I go in the 60's class then I am competing against like trucks. If I go in the 70's class, I am also competing against 7 years of different body style trucks. Makes more sense to me to enter the 68 class but I wanted your opinions. I don't want to be THAT guy :-) I appreciate y'all's input.

[BCOWANWHEELS]

ask the officials when you go to enter your truck. be honest brings back honesty

[jbreeves72C10]

leftybass209,
Sorry, I didn't answer your first question. In Texas, we are registered on the Cab VIN.

[jbreeves72C10]

Originally Posted by BCOWANWHEELS

ask the officials when you go to enter your truck. be honest brings back honesty

Amen my Brother in Christ :-)
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[67 chevelle]

To me these trucks are identified by their grill , 69-70 were the same , yours looks like neither , in your case I would go with the cab vintage ,, nice truck , this is my "opinion" very biased

[hugger6933]

Really the problem seems to be with thew way the entry is laid out. The years should be so that this isn't a problem 60-66-67-72 and 73-80. The way the body styles were laid out. I would simply ask the people as you enter the show. Jim

[jbreeves72C10]

Totally agreed and that was my thinking. I should not be competing against square bodies. They are a different breed. Not that I don't like them. I won best in class with my 85 before I sold it to get this one but, it seems the classes should be segregated like you said. I was at a show and entered the 70's truck class. I lost to a 78 square body that was a hack job convertible. It was nothing like my restored C10 and should not have been in the same class in MHO. It's just for fun and meeting people for me but that's why I posted this...for everyone's opinion. Thanks Guys..!

[67ChevyRedneck]

Originally Posted by jbreeves72C10

My thinking was that the body style, 68 or 72, is not the square body that started in 73. So, if I go in the 60's class then I am competing against like trucks. If I go in the 70's class, I am also competing against 7 years of different body style trucks. Makes more sense to me to enter the 68 class but I wanted your opinions. I don't want to be THAT guy :-) I appreciate y'all's input.

Same thing if you're entering the 60's class... 60-66 is 7 years of a different body style

Everything posted above is why I never enter in shows. I take my truck to tons of small, local cruise ins, or "shows" where there's really no classes, etc. Some don't do anything, some do "top 10, or top 25". When I go to big shows like Charlotte, etc I usually park my stuff in the parking lot, takes way too long to get inside. I've only ever won one trophy (was like 3rd place) and I don't remember what it was for

I agree with "67 Chevelle", to me your truck looks like a 71/72 with a tube grille, so that's what I would enter it as... but if you're having better luck in the 60's classes... it's really up to you.

[cooperhw]

When I go to a judged show with my Chevelle I usually put "not to be judged" on the window sticker. It's way too easy to get caught up in the whole trophy thing (I know as I did it years ago) and forget what you go there for in the first place is to surround yourself with people who also love these old vehicles.
If any question is in your mind, ask at the entry desk, and move on. I like this old "Car Show Creed" posted in Goodguys magazine a while back. Words to live by.

[Ironangel]

Originally Posted by cooperhw

When I go to a judged show with my Chevelle I usually put "not to be judged" on the window sticker. It's way too easy to get caught up in the whole trophy thing (I know as I did it years ago) and forget what you go there for in the first place is to surround yourself with people who also love these old vehicles.
If any question is in your mind, ask at the entry desk, and move on. I like this old "Car Show Creed" posted in Goodguys magazine a while back. Words to live by.

Amen! I learned this the hard way two months ago at the Truck Nationals burnout contest. I was disqualified for running 10 seconds long. The heartbreak of loosing that trophy was alleviated when to my surprise the truck took a second place trophy in the 72 C-10 class... And the burnout,

[Grumpy old man]

Trophies , Just 1 more thing to collect dust in the shop .There are just way too many variables to be considered to make them the reason to show your truck . very experienced judges ? comparable competition ? trailer queens vs drove to the show ? self built or fresh off ebay $50,000.00 restomod ? a trophy used to mean something and only finished trucks/ cars were allowed to enter . Now many are just "here's your participation trophy" thanks for the entry fee . Just my personal opinion .

[cooperhw]

Originally Posted by Grumpy old man

Trophies , Just 1 more thing to collect dust in the shop .There are just way too many variables to be considered to make them the reason to show your truck . very experienced judges ? comparable competition ? trailer queens vs drove to the show ? self built or fresh off ebay $50,000.00 restomod ? a trophy used to mean something and only finished trucks/ cars were allowed to enter . Now many are just "here's your participation trophy" thanks for the entry fee . Just my personal opinion .

I hear ya. Well said.
Years ago me and my buddies cleared out all of our trophies and donated them to the "Special Olympics" group. Took em to the trophy shop and left them and $50 to have all the little plaques changed to whatever the group wanted them to read. Kids loved em way more than we liked dusting them. Some guys keep em as a shrine, me, "not a one on the property". To each their own, and nothing against the guys who set store by winning one, just not my bag.

[Andy4639]

Originally Posted by jbreeves72C10

Hi Forum Members,
I have a question of ethics that I am not sure about and would like your input. I have an almost restored C10 and have entered and won several car shows in the Dallas area. My question is what class to enter to be politically correct. The chassis, engine, transmission, drum brakes, spring suspension, steering, etc are 68. The front clip and bumper is 70. The cab VIN comes back as 72. Should I enter into the 60-70 trucks based on the majority of the parts or the 70-80 class based on the VIN? I have always entered by the VIN but the last show I entered in the 68 class and won. I wasn't sure if I should feel bad or not.
Thanks,
JB

Your last sentences say's it all. You have answered your own question. If you doubt your choice then it's more than likely the wrong one.

[Sicklajoie]

These are very good words to live by.
This past year I went to 97 cruise nights/car shows with the 69'er, racking up over 6000 miles in the process.
I never stay by my truck. I don't like to toot my own horn or even talk about my truck. I let the vehicle speak for itself. I like going around and taking pictures (I have site on hotrodhotline.com) and BS'ing with people.
I've been very fortunate to get a lot of trophies with my truck in the 5+ years I've had it. But I never, NEVER go there expecting to win anything. If I do, I'm very appreciative of it. Let's face it, these shows are basically just beauty contests.
There's nothing worse than seeing a grown man huff and puff and stomp up and down because they didn't get a $10 trophy. And believe me, I've seen my share. It's pretty sad.

[71sierragrande]

This is why I don't take my truck to shows. Having to bear the burden of guilt for winning....And I'd have to put up another shed to house all the trophies.

Seriously though, I always thought what the title(cab) says is the model year regardless of mods or changes. But it's an interesting question. What if you had a Johnny Cash 49-73 caddy? What class do you put it in?

[cypressbog]

Titled as a 72? VIN on cab is 72? Personally, I'd enter it as a 72.