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Old 06-15-2016, 03:48 PM   #1
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Camber/toe problem 70 c10

I recently installed all new tie rods and have been attempting to get it straight as possible. I've got the passenger side decent, but I'm having trouble with the driver side. Looking at the front end straight on, it appears my wheel is kicked out, but also looks like it has positive camber as well.

I've tried fixing the toe issue by turning the tie rod sleeve, but I've turned it quite a bit, much more than the passenger side. Then I began thinking, well maybe my camber is off, and it is making it appear to my eyes that the toe is kicked outwards? I researched how to adjust the camber, but I cannot tell if there are shims in it already without disassembling some stuff, which I'd rather not do since I drive this truck to work daily. So I have a few questions.

Should I keep turning my tie rod sleeve, or should I start to disassemble the suspension to investigate the a arm and see if it is shimmed.
Is there a way to add negative camber aside from removing the shims?

I did have an appointment with a local alignment shop, but to do my alignment they said they would have to replace all my ball joints and a arm bushings, which came up to about $600, so I opted to try and do some of it on my own.

I've done everything on this truck myself so far in hopes of learning a bit about working on cars, so I would prefer to do most of the work myself and then have a basic alignment done. I am, however, a novice and would appreciate any help.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:54 PM   #2
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These are a few pics of my a arm, I can't tell if there are shims in there.
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:41 PM   #3
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Re: Camber/toe problem 70 c10

Well don't give up, if the parts need replaced which they probably do then it is something you can do. We will help on here.
Yes you have shims, and several of them on all the photos you posted.
If the top of your tire appears to be leaning out then of course removing some will help that. I get my parts for this from RockAuto they have good prices. it looks like somebody has been into them as you have a castle nut in one spot which is not correct, they are all locking nuts I believe. Good luck and get then swapped as soon as you can and aligned so you wont mess up your tires or worse...
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Re: Camber/toe problem 70 c10

If the top ball joints have not been changed they are rivited in place and those will need to be removed, cut and ground and knocked out) the new ones will bolt in place. The lower are press in and you will need to borrow (from local parts store) a press to remove and replace them It is not that tough.
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Well don't give up, if the parts need replaced which they probably do then it is something you can do. We will help on here.
Yes you have shims, and several of them on all the photos you posted.
If the top of your tire appears to be leaning out then of course removing some will help that. I get my parts for this from RockAuto they have good prices. it looks like somebody has been into them as you have a castle nut in one spot which is not correct, they are all locking nuts I believe. Good luck and get then swapped as soon as you can and aligned so you wont mess up your tires or worse...
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I think I may begin dismantling the front suspension and drive my wife's car to work.i have a set of Moog ball joints, but I need to order control arm bushings. I'm a bit confused as to what ones I need to order. I saw a set from energy suspension but I'm confused as to whether they're for the upper or lower arm. I would like to replace all bushings, upper and lower. Does anyone sell a complete set of control arm bushings?
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Old 06-16-2016, 07:36 AM   #6
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Re: Camber/toe problem 70 c10

http://www.moogparts.com/find-my-part.html
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Old 06-16-2016, 10:58 AM   #7
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I think I may begin dismantling the front suspension and drive my wife's car to work.i have a set of Moog ball joints, but I need to order control arm bushings. I'm a bit confused as to what ones I need to order. I saw a set from energy suspension but I'm confused as to whether they're for the upper or lower arm. I would like to replace all bushings, upper and lower. Does anyone sell a complete set of control arm bushings?
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You cannot use Energy Suspension ones as they are for '73 and later (replacing the stock rubber ones). '72 and earlier use the metal style and you have to buy the whole shaft which comes with new end bushings. The only way to use the Energy ones is to replace upper and lower arms with '73-'87 ones.
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You cannot use Energy Suspension ones as they are for '73 and later (replacing the stock rubber ones). '72 and earlier use the metal style and you have to buy the whole shaft which comes with new end bushings. The only way to use the Energy ones is to replace upper and lower arms with '73-'87 ones.
Oh okay, that's what was confusing me, I didn't see any with a metal shell.
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