Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

davepl · 06-05-2017, 02:46 PM

Well, it is to me at least, because I'm into the Canada-only 2+2 models. And I found the holy grail of them:

1969 Pontiac 2+2
L36 427/390 Astro Jet engine
Muncie Four Speed
12-Bolt w/ posi
Ragtop
Power Windows
Disc Brakes
F41 HD Suspension, Rear sway bar, etc
Red stripe tires

The beautiful thing is that GM Canada can document these cars from the VIN, so I know exactly what it is. I worked with them and it's either one of one or one of two cars ever made: possibly the only 427 four speed ragtop.

I've known about the car for more than 10 years, but the current owner was going to "restore it one day". But he's in his 70s now and is considering selling it to me. The only catch, and it's a big one, is that the cowl tag is missing because it was removed to acid-dip the body. He started a restoration (more on that later) and thinks the tag is with the car, but no one has located it yet. I won't do it without the cowl tag (Canada tags aren't reproduced either).

The car is stored inside a truck body (one of ours, I'm told, with a 366) on a farm in the woods way up in Northern Alberta, Canada.

He still has the protecto-plate and the original owner's name is pretty unique, so on a lark I tracked him down through the Elks club up there - spoke to him briefly. He's in his 90s, pushing 100 now, and wasn't super informative to talk to but it was still cool to talk to the original owner.

It's a total basket case, in the literal sense of the word: the car was totally blown apart for restoration, the engine rebuilt 10+ years ago, the body acid dipped, and the parts all in boxes.

Not many people are into these cars, but for those that are, it's a Hemi 'Cuda convertible and L88 all rolled into one. That's what makes it worth restoring, but it'll be a heck of a challenge. I'm pretty sure I'd need a complete parts car or donor to make this project work though, and space is at a premium, so it'll be tough.

I made an offer, contingent on the tag showing up, and we shall see what happens!

My "clone" car is in Hemmings magazine this month:

https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/mu...e/3750916.html

...but this one is the real deal and a ragtop to boot.

MP&C · 06-05-2017, 03:18 PM

What a rare find, good luck with finding the cowl tag!

vin63 · 06-06-2017, 05:18 PM

Outstanding! I look forward to your progress.

**Dieselwrencher** · 06-06-2017, 05:24 PM

That is a super rare car for sure. Hopefully he can find the cowl tag and you can get a deal made!

toolboxchev · 07-07-2017, 01:43 AM

I figured you have been up to something after we met. Funny how instinct works.

I look forward to your doing it on this one. PM me when you have time. I had a good friend up when I grew up and his dad had 3 Rivieras up in the attic of his house!

I know he is still around.

JMac11 · 07-07-2017, 09:17 AM

Crazy, I used to have a few Pontiacs, Read an article about early 4 speed Gran Prix that the Pontiac history buffs could not agree on what console was right. I bet you have one pictured. Good luck on your project

davepl · 12-04-2017, 12:06 PM

Well, just an update. I finally bought the car! Don't have it in my possession yet, still working through the logistics of the cross-border shipment. But on paper, I own it!

I started a blog on the story of the find here: http://1969Pontiac.blogspot.com

**HO455** · 12-04-2017, 03:55 PM

Wow! That's right up there with an early SD car. Great job tracking it down.
Congratulations!

**Dieselwrencher** · 12-04-2017, 04:46 PM

Congrats on getting it purchased! Hopefully it isn't a long process to get it over the border!

alsriv2 · 12-06-2017, 12:15 PM

That's a very cool history. Please continue to share your progress with us.

low'n slow · 12-06-2017, 12:54 PM

Do you want to part with the "uber rare" ceiling fan option?

davepl · 12-07-2017, 01:56 PM

If you're curious about this project/car I put more info on a blog about it!

http://1969pontiac.blogspot.com

Cheers,
Dave

**Dieselwrencher** · 12-07-2017, 05:42 PM

Dave, nice write up on the car. That is very interesting. How many others 2+2's do you have?

davepl · 12-09-2017, 04:17 PM

Thanks! I have a "tribute" black one that actually started life as a Laurentian. It was featured in Hemmings not long ago:

https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/mu...e/3750916.html

As for real 2+2s I've had a blue coupe, a red convertible, but I've never had a real big block car before this one!

7dee2 · 12-09-2017, 10:49 PM

Very kool and very unique, congrats on such a great find and acquisition.

Russell Ashley · 12-10-2017, 11:32 PM

Cool story, just goes to show how much time and effort a real car enthusiast will go to land his dream car. I'm looking forward to some pics when you finally have it in your possession.

06-05-2017, 02:46 PM	#1
davepl Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 6,332	Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find Well, it is to me at least, because I'm into the Canada-only 2+2 models. And I found the holy grail of them: 1969 Pontiac 2+2 L36 427/390 Astro Jet engine Muncie Four Speed 12-Bolt w/ posi Ragtop Power Windows Disc Brakes F41 HD Suspension, Rear sway bar, etc Red stripe tires The beautiful thing is that GM Canada can document these cars from the VIN, so I know exactly what it is. I worked with them and it's either one of one or one of two cars ever made: possibly the only 427 four speed ragtop. I've known about the car for more than 10 years, but the current owner was going to "restore it one day". But he's in his 70s now and is considering selling it to me. The only catch, and it's a big one, is that the cowl tag is missing because it was removed to acid-dip the body. He started a restoration (more on that later) and thinks the tag is with the car, but no one has located it yet. I won't do it without the cowl tag (Canada tags aren't reproduced either). The car is stored inside a truck body (one of ours, I'm told, with a 366) on a farm in the woods way up in Northern Alberta, Canada. He still has the protecto-plate and the original owner's name is pretty unique, so on a lark I tracked him down through the Elks club up there - spoke to him briefly. He's in his 90s, pushing 100 now, and wasn't super informative to talk to but it was still cool to talk to the original owner. It's a total basket case, in the literal sense of the word: the car was totally blown apart for restoration, the engine rebuilt 10+ years ago, the body acid dipped, and the parts all in boxes. Not many people are into these cars, but for those that are, it's a Hemi 'Cuda convertible and L88 all rolled into one. That's what makes it worth restoring, but it'll be a heck of a challenge. I'm pretty sure I'd need a complete parts car or donor to make this project work though, and space is at a premium, so it'll be tough. I made an offer, contingent on the tag showing up, and we shall see what happens! My "clone" car is in Hemmings magazine this month: https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/mu...e/3750916.html ...but this one is the real deal and a ragtop to boot. Attached Images __________________ 1970 GMC Sierra Grande Custom Camper - Built, not Bought 1969 Pontiac 2+2 427/390 4-speed Coupe 1969 Pontiac 2+2 427/390 4-speed Convertible

06-05-2017, 03:18 PM	#2
MP&C Registered User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Leonardtown, MD Posts: 1,648	Re: Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find What a rare find, good luck with finding the cowl tag! __________________ Robert

06-06-2017, 05:18 PM	#3
vin63 It's Better With Nitro Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 2,262	Re: Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find Outstanding! I look forward to your progress. __________________ 1963 C-10: Deluxe-optioned cab, shortbed, fleetside Pontiac 462 ci, Kauffman D-Port alum. heads 4L80E, narrowed sheetmetal Ford 9-inch Tubular front and rear suspension Custom 6-piston front disc and 4-piston rear disc brakes

06-06-2017, 05:24 PM	#4
Dieselwrencher 6>8 Plugless........ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Prairie City, Ia Posts: 17,142	Re: Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find That is a super rare car for sure. Hopefully he can find the cowl tag and you can get a deal made! __________________ Ryan 1972 Chevy Longhorn K30 Cheyenne Super, 359 Inline 6 cylinder, Auto Trans, Tilt, Diesel Tach/Vach, Buckets, Rare Rear 4-link and air ride option Build Thread 1972 GMC Sierra Grande Longhorn 4x4 1972 Chevy Cheyenne Super K20 Long Step side tilt, tach, tow hooks, AC, 350 4 speed 1972 C10 Suburban Custom Deluxe 1969 Chevy milk truck 1971 Camaro RS 5.3 BTR STG3 Cam Super T10 1940 Ford 354 Hemi 46RH Ford 9" on air ride huge project *Tired of spark plugs? Check this out.*

07-07-2017, 01:43 AM	#5
toolboxchev Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: 2nd left past the stump on a dirt road. Posts: 2,629	Re: Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find I figured you have been up to something after we met. Funny how instinct works. I look forward to your doing it on this one. PM me when you have time. I had a good friend up when I grew up and his dad had 3 Rivieras up in the attic of his house! I know he is still around. Last edited by toolboxchev; 07-07-2017 at 01:57 AM.

07-07-2017, 09:17 AM	#6
JMac11 Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tallahassee Fl Posts: 773	Re: Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find Crazy, I used to have a few Pontiacs, Read an article about early 4 speed Gran Prix that the Pontiac history buffs could not agree on what console was right. I bet you have one pictured. Good luck on your project

12-04-2017, 12:06 PM	#7
davepl Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 6,332	Re: Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find Well, just an update. I finally bought the car! Don't have it in my possession yet, still working through the logistics of the cross-border shipment. But on paper, I own it! I started a blog on the story of the find here: http://1969Pontiac.blogspot.com __________________ 1970 GMC Sierra Grande Custom Camper - Built, not Bought 1969 Pontiac 2+2 427/390 4-speed Coupe 1969 Pontiac 2+2 427/390 4-speed Convertible

12-04-2017, 03:55 PM	#8
HO455 Post Whore Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 11,382	Re: Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find Wow! That's right up there with an early SD car. Great job tracking it down. Congratulations! __________________ Thanks to Bob and Jeanie and everyone else at Superior Performance for all their great help. RIP Bob Parks. 1967 Burban (the WMB),1988 S10 Blazer (the Stink10 II),1969 GTO (the Goat), 1970 Javelin, 1952 F2 Ford OHC six 4X4, 29 Model A, 72 Firebird (the DBP Bird). 85 Alfa Romeo If it breaks I didn't want it in the first place The WMB repair thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=698377

12-04-2017, 04:46 PM	#9
Dieselwrencher 6>8 Plugless........ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Prairie City, Ia Posts: 17,142	Re: Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find Congrats on getting it purchased! Hopefully it isn't a long process to get it over the border! __________________ Ryan 1972 Chevy Longhorn K30 Cheyenne Super, 359 Inline 6 cylinder, Auto Trans, Tilt, Diesel Tach/Vach, Buckets, Rare Rear 4-link and air ride option Build Thread 1972 GMC Sierra Grande Longhorn 4x4 1972 Chevy Cheyenne Super K20 Long Step side tilt, tach, tow hooks, AC, 350 4 speed 1972 C10 Suburban Custom Deluxe 1969 Chevy milk truck 1971 Camaro RS 5.3 BTR STG3 Cam Super T10 1940 Ford 354 Hemi 46RH Ford 9" on air ride huge project *Tired of spark plugs? Check this out.*

12-06-2017, 12:15 PM	#10
alsriv2 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Formerly MD and San Diego, now loving life in Arizona Posts: 1,636	Re: Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find That's a very cool history. Please continue to share your progress with us. __________________ Alan 2012 Ram 3500 Dually Crew Cab 6.7 Cummins 2014 Palomino Columbus 340RK 5th wheel '69 Chevy C10 396BB

12-06-2017, 12:54 PM	#11
low'n slow Too Dumb To Know Better Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 883	Re: Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find Do you want to part with the "uber rare" ceiling fan option?

12-07-2017, 01:56 PM	#12
davepl Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 6,332	Re: Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find If you're curious about this project/car I put more info on a blog about it! http://1969pontiac.blogspot.com Cheers, Dave __________________ 1970 GMC Sierra Grande Custom Camper - Built, not Bought 1969 Pontiac 2+2 427/390 4-speed Coupe 1969 Pontiac 2+2 427/390 4-speed Convertible

12-07-2017, 05:42 PM	#13
Dieselwrencher 6>8 Plugless........ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Prairie City, Ia Posts: 17,142	Re: Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find Dave, nice write up on the car. That is very interesting. How many others 2+2's do you have? __________________ Ryan 1972 Chevy Longhorn K30 Cheyenne Super, 359 Inline 6 cylinder, Auto Trans, Tilt, Diesel Tach/Vach, Buckets, Rare Rear 4-link and air ride option Build Thread 1972 GMC Sierra Grande Longhorn 4x4 1972 Chevy Cheyenne Super K20 Long Step side tilt, tach, tow hooks, AC, 350 4 speed 1972 C10 Suburban Custom Deluxe 1969 Chevy milk truck 1971 Camaro RS 5.3 BTR STG3 Cam Super T10 1940 Ford 354 Hemi 46RH Ford 9" on air ride huge project *Tired of spark plugs? Check this out.*

12-09-2017, 04:17 PM	#14
davepl Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 6,332	Re: Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find Thanks! I have a "tribute" black one that actually started life as a Laurentian. It was featured in Hemmings not long ago: https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/mu...e/3750916.html As for real 2+2s I've had a blue coupe, a red convertible, but I've never had a real big block car before this one! __________________ 1970 GMC Sierra Grande Custom Camper - Built, not Bought 1969 Pontiac 2+2 427/390 4-speed Coupe 1969 Pontiac 2+2 427/390 4-speed Convertible

12-09-2017, 10:49 PM	#15
7dee2 Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Location: Syracuse, Utah Posts: 1,990	Re: Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find Very kool and very unique, congrats on such a great find and acquisition. __________________ Brett 67 Camaro SS: 67 Camaro Build 72 Cheyenne/C10 Super 115" Fleetside: 72 C10 Build 72 Cheyenne/K30 Super 133" Longhorn DRW: 72 K30 Build SOLD YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@6dee7-7dee2



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12-10-2017, 11:32 PM	#16
Russell Ashley Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga Posts: 2,648	Re: Ultimate 1969 Pontiac barn find Cool story, just goes to show how much time and effort a real car enthusiast will go to land his dream car. I'm looking forward to some pics when you finally have it in your possession.

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