shock hardware HELP

[zicc1835]

can’t seem to locate these ( I will call them studs not sure what they are called ) the shaft that the shock slides on to needs to be 1/2 anyone know where to buy ...I was on KYB site nothing Summit nothing ....Im probably not using the right search criteria .....I know I can make something work with grade 8s but looks $hitty these are the front shocks frame mount hardware or top of shock is I believe 9/16 bottom of shock is 1/2 diameter that then bolts to control arm thats the one I need pictured here with a 1/2 inch shank

[Grumpy old man]

This might help , Google Shock mount bolt

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/c...yABEgK5NvD_BwE

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Speed...iABEgLpq_D_BwE

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/shop/...4-16-566-31229

[zicc1835]

Originally Posted by Grumpy old man

This might help , Google Shock mount bolt

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/c...yABEgK5NvD_BwE

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Speed...iABEgLpq_D_BwE

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/shop/...4-16-566-31229

thank you Grumpy

[kwmech]

I have never seen a bolt on with a 1/2'' shaft. I have seen these though. But you have to weld them.

https://www.foothilloffroad.com/susp...t-3-p1584.html


The only other thing is using a 1/2'' grade 8 bolt

[KQQL IT]

Aka P-19 pin


https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F182006123255

[zicc1835]

Originally Posted by KQQL IT

Aka P-19 pin


https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F182006123255

thank you KQQL IT ....

[GASoline71]

My local parts house has them. They usually come with new shocks when you buy them.

Gary

[tdangle]

I also seem to remember that my new shocks came with them.

[Grumpy old man]

Well, What happens is they get lost during rebuild or don't come with Bilsteins or like I did last week the top front shock mount torque spec is 140 lbs and I stripped one getting to spec .

[HO455]

Grade 8 is a poor choice for this application. They are too hard and will snap in two with side loads. Grade 5 fine threaded is a better choice if you can't fine the proper bolt. I know NAPA has them.

[kwmech]

If a shock absorber breaks a Grade 8 bolt, you've got a whole lot of other issues going on

[kwmech]

Originally Posted by KQQL IT

Aka P-19 pin


https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F182006123255

5/8'' again or actually with a Rover 16mm

[GASoline71]

Originally Posted by Grumpy old man

Well, What happens is they get lost during rebuild or don't come with Bilsteins or like I did last week the top front shock mount torque spec is 140 lbs and I stripped one getting to spec .

Too much cheater bar!

Gary

[KQQL IT]

Originally Posted by zicc1835

thank you KQQL IT ....

My dad used them all over our trucks.

Cab struts in a squarebody pre runner.

However I'm not really a fan as they make nasty cracks over time.
Really prefer them like these.

[AussieinNC]

What shocks are you trying to fit onto this truck? Part Number and brand please...

I have never seen a 1/2" top mount shock for one of these trucks...
The aftermarket ones from QA1....which include the mount brackets etc are half inch but fit only the QA1 shocks...and require the chassis to be drilled etc...

All standard replacement shocks and standard style support brackets I have ever used have 5/8" holes....

[zicc1835]

Id like to start by saying I truely appreciate all the help I have recieved from all of you on this issue and all the other support over the years from others I only hope that anything I am able to share is recieved in the same way ... please be patient Im going to post a picture story may take a couple of posts......you see I try to answer my own questios first rather than going to the well to quickly 67 years of experince at least the first 50 or so I thought, I thought (not a repeat) I knew everything

so first 5 pics are the top of the shock and that hardware is provided and I have plenty of those OEM yes no dispute they are 5/8 ..... to be continued

[zicc1835]

Originally Posted by zicc1835

Id like to start by saying I truely appreciate all the help I have recieved from all of you on this issue and all the other support over the years from others I only hope that anything I am able to share is recieved in the same way ... please be patient Im going to post a picture story may take a couple of posts......you see I try to answer my own questios first rather than going to the well to quickly 67 years of experince at least the first 50 or so I thought, I thought (not a repeat) I knew everything

so first 5 pics are the top of the shock and that hardware is provided and I have plenty of those OEM yes no dispute they are 5/8 ..... to be continued

the bottom here lies the problem as you can see 1/2 inch drill shank fits not as snug as I would like same as the 1/2 grade 8 the last picture is down were these will eventually be bolted to my lower c-arm which I believe stock A-arms uses a bolt and thats why again I think they don’t provide this hardware I did go to speedways web site an ordered what they had available as Grumpy showed me that path.... and then KQQL It also showed me on eBay a aka p-19 im hoping those are more snug than the 1/2 inch bolt short money in the scheme of things ..... got the picture....a little sarcasm from me and if I do happen to use a grade 8 down there and break it I agree I got a bigger problem and I am taking the advice on a grade 5 fine thread makes cents $$.... so to be continued when those studs (ill call them )show up if anyone else would like to chime in Im all ears
thanks again
Jess

[AussieinNC]

Grab yourself some 13 MM grade 8 bolts and nuts...these are approx 1/64 larger than the nominal 1/2" bolt diameter...

13 mm measure 0.51181102362 or 0 33/64 over 32/64 which is 1/2"...


Hope this helps you out...

[zicc1835]

Originally Posted by AussieinNC

I have to assume you have lost or damaged one of the KYB aftermarket mounting bolts and need the bolt only....

I dont believe KYB sells the bolt packs separately...

but...

The entire new shock unit incl the stud and nuts etc is $38...per shock...

https://www.amazon.com/KYB-KG5409-Ga...ype=automotive

Note....Suggest strongly that using a 1/2" bolt you should seriously consider using an aftermarket secondary support to the outer end of the stud....

Hope this helps you out...

i think i posted some mor info and this crossed....in the middle im not missing anything they just dont provide any hardware for the botom if you have a stock a arm i believe from memory and im old they bolt to the control arm

[AussieinNC]

I just changed my response...see above your most recent post...

PM me if you want

[zicc1835]

Originally Posted by AussieinNC

I just changed my response...see above your most recent post...

PM me if you want

I read it and I appreciate it, I will definitely update this post when I finally get them bolted up I will wait for those 2 items I have alredy ordered to show up check fitment and if they arent snug I will take your advice
thanks very much
Jess

[zicc1835]

Originally Posted by AussieinNC

Grab yourself some 13 MM grade 8 bolts and nuts...these are approx 1/64 larger than the nominal 1/2" bolt diameter...

13 mm measure 0.51181102362 or 0 33/64 over 32/64 which is 1/2"...


Hope this helps you out...

update as promised... so today I went to my local supply house who has a very large inventory of nuts, bolts all lgrades and sizes and if they dont have it they can order it .... to my suprise I was told by the counterman that ''They dont make 13mm bolts" he can give me a 12 or a 14 no 13mm. So if anyone knows where I can get 2 grade 8s 3 inches long with 2 washers 2 reg bolts and 2 nylocs bolts I would gladly pay to take that 1/64 little bit of slop out...this is for the bottom of the shock where it attaches to the lower control arm. I did search on line and no results it kind of backed up what my counterman said ??
thanks
Jess

[AussieinNC]

Ok....13mm shank diameter bolts are a special aircraft size and very difficult to obtain...normal supply houses dont carry them.

Perhaps I should have made that more apparent in my response....apologies...

I can see from your pics you are concerned about the excess clearance between the standard half inch bolt shank diameter and the inside diameter of the lower shock mount tube....
Speedway Motors has a stud that has a 5/8" shank diameter...you could grab two and have a local machine shop turn the 5/8" shank down to precisely fit your shock tube inner diameter..

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Speed...Bolt,5485.html

Or...maybe go to a local auto parts shop and ask for a standard front shock and check the clearance of that lower mount tube on the 1/2" bolt..

It is highly likely the new shock you have has a defective sized inner tube...as these shocks usually take a standard 1/2" grade bolt....

If you find the auto parts store shock also has excessive clearance you may have to either accept the dimension or shim the tube diameter down....

These lower mount tubes are usually a little "loose" when the bolt goes thru. They use a crush style method to lock the tube against the bolt meaning when you tighten the bolt with the washers in place against the tube ends....remember, these are trucks not race cars...

You could use a different style of shock end that uses a Heim (coli over) style spherical bearing instead of the rubber bush style, however, these systems are usually reserved for high performance applications or complex special builds....

As they lack any "cushion" in their action, Heim style ends should be converted to double shear mounting to reduce flex and possible tear out of the bolt thru the A-arm.

[zicc1835]

thanks for the detalied responce i have another pair of KYBs to check for fitment of a 1/2 inch bolt based on those findings ill head out to the parts store and check a pair of stock shocks ....button this up and move on