The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network







Register or Log In To remove these advertisements.

Go Back   The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network > 47 - Current classic GM Trucks > The 1973 - 1987 Chevrolet & GMC Squarebody Pickups Message Board

Web 67-72chevytrucks.com


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-23-2023, 09:27 PM   #1
kipps
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: North-central Virginia
Posts: 1,099
Transfer case info

I was messing around with the 'Vehicle Information Kits' on the GM heritage website, and found some interesting info about transfer cases.

In 1973, the np205 was the only option for the k10 and k20 trucks.

From 1974 and 1975, the new np203 was used on the v8 trucks, and the np205 continued to be used on the i6 trucks. For 1974, the np205 could have been special ordered for the v8 trucks.

From 1976 through 1979, the np203 was used on the automatic-trans trucks, regardless of engine type. The np205 was used on the manual-trans trucks, regardless of engine type. This applied to the k30 as well, when it was introduced in 1977.

I suspect the reasoning here was that GM considered the np203 and np205 to be equally strong. They were favoring the convenient full-time 4wd for the automatic trucks, and figured if you were willing to shift gears, then you would also be willing to lock in your own hubs.

In 1980, the np203 was no longer an option, and the np205 was the only transfer case available for this one year.

Up until this point, the np203 and np205 both had the classic figure-eight bolt pattern, and they had differing spline counts depending what transmission was bolted to the front. The th350 had 27 splines, the th400 had 32 splines, and the sm465 had 10 splines.

I don't know what the spline count was of the heavier-duty and lighter-duty three-speed column-shift transmissions. I suspect they had the same 10-spline count as the sm465, but that's a guess only.

From 1981 through 1984, the k30 continued to use the np205 only. If the np205 was bolted to a sm465, it used the figure-eight pattern and 10-spline shaft that it did before. If the np205 was bolted to a th400, it used the figure-eight pattern and 32-spline shaft that it did before. The np205 was no longer being bolted to any of the lighter 27-spline automatics.

From 1981 through 1984, the k10 and k20 used the new np208 exclusively. This transfer case was only available in round pattern, and 27 & 32 spline input shafts. There was no 10-spline option for the np208. Because of this, the sm465 and th400 switched to the round-pattern 32-spline shaft when bolted to this np208.

The three-speed th350 was phased out and replaced by the four-speed 700r4 between 1982 and 1984. These two transmissions were the only ones that used the 27-spline shaft. These were used in the k10 trucks, and the light-duty k20 trucks.

In 1985, GM finally simplified the lineup. They dropped the 10-spline and figure-eight pattern altogether on the np205. Everything was now round-pattern, and was only 27-spline or 32-spline.

In approximately 1988 or 1989, the np208 was phased out, and replaced by the np241. The two transfer cases are identical in fitment; the np241 is significantly updated over the np208.

The np205 was last used in the 1991 crew-cab trucks.

The military m1008 k30 trucks were model years 1984 through 1987. These were different from the civilian k30 trucks, in that they used the np208/th400 combo exclusively. These did not use the np205. Edit: the m1028 k30 trucks did use the np205/th400 combo.

Any corrections to this list are welcome. Also, if anyone can shed light on how GM chose between the th350 and the th400 during the 1970's, that would be helpful. The GM literature I was reading didn't make any distinction between the two.
__________________
1987 C6P V20 truck, 2010 LMG 5.3, AFM delete, 2010 Camaro exhaust manifolds, 1997 nv4500, 1991 np241c, hydroboost, 2005 14bff axle & driveshaft, drop-n-lock gooseneck, 4.10 gears, stock suspension, rims, and tires. Still a work in progress. Any questions or suggestions are welcome!

Last edited by kipps; 02-23-2023 at 10:14 PM.
kipps is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2023, 09:57 PM   #2
57taskforce
All about them K’s
 
57taskforce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Farmington, New Mexico
Posts: 6,283
Re: Transfer case info

Nice write up, I’m fairly confident the round 205 is only ‘85+ (91) and all of them came in the K30, all were 32 spline, and only came behind the th400, SM465, and in the ‘91 crew cab The 4L80E. 4 400/round 205 combos stashed as well as 1 465/round 205. (Only real addition to what you posted was the 4L80 in ‘91)
__________________
Tyler
'57 3100 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=813888
'72 K20 Cheyenne http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=662879
‘69 K10 SWB http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=805206
'98 Silverado LT K2500HD ECLB Vortec 454/4l80E: 6" lift 315/75/16's
‘87 IROC-Z all original 50K mile survivor TPI 305 IROC Blue
‘10 Camaro 2SS/RS Aqua Blue Metallic #93 -version 2.0

Last edited by 57taskforce; 02-23-2023 at 10:15 PM.
57taskforce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2023, 10:16 PM   #3
kipps
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: North-central Virginia
Posts: 1,099
Re: Transfer case info

Someone else on a different group said the reason the full-time np203 was only offered behind automatics for several years had to do with the annoying jerkiness when turning. The automatic transmission helped damper some of that jerkiness.
__________________
1987 C6P V20 truck, 2010 LMG 5.3, AFM delete, 2010 Camaro exhaust manifolds, 1997 nv4500, 1991 np241c, hydroboost, 2005 14bff axle & driveshaft, drop-n-lock gooseneck, 4.10 gears, stock suspension, rims, and tires. Still a work in progress. Any questions or suggestions are welcome!
kipps is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2023, 12:11 AM   #4
Getter-Done
Senior Member
 
Getter-Done's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: TN.
Posts: 7,923
Re: Transfer case info

Great Info.

I am currently in the process of building a 208 for my 84 Chevy.

There are several U tube videos.

And documented Stuff.

I was kind of thinking of posting pictures of the rebuild.

This 208 is So simple thou.

I plan to have my Nephew help

So I can expand this stuff and spread the Gearhead Era to the Youngens.
__________________
________________________________________________________________________________________
____________________________________________
84 Chevy K-20
63 Impala (my high school car)

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...Crew Cab Build
Getter-Done is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2023, 01:11 AM   #5
Willowrun
Senior Member
 
Willowrun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 1,023
Angry Re: Transfer case info

Great post and fun to read as the "gear to gear" strength has been talked about since the NP205 came out, and I've grown to appreciate the big chain drive NP203 especially with a part time kit.

The depressing thing about this post is it reminds me of where all of these NP (New Process) transfer cases were manufactured. They were all made in a giant plant in Syracuse, NY that I visited in the early 2000's while it was running at full steam. I'm in manufacturing and visit a lot of plants so as a 4x4 enthusiast it was really cool to see where the transfer cases I knew so much about had been made.

Fast forward ten years and a customer of ours in Mexico was receiving all of the machines/equipment/tooling from Syracuse to start making the transfer cases there. Crazy to see half high dunnage chocked with stuff from that big plant that was now closing. No politics please...just sad to see an old plant close and I've seen a few.

Regarding what manufacturers decide to put in what is it oftentimes depending on the production capacity and parts availability of the plants providing the product. The older tech transfer tech while very fast and efficient when running, were expensive, high maintenance, and if they do go down they shut down the entire production of the product so to have other options to fulfill demand is a good thing and in many cases what drives the balance between different options on a vehicle. Every day is a fire fight in manufacturing to keep the lines running but today's CNC production lines allow for at least partial production if a machine breaks as there is redundancy.
Willowrun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2023, 09:40 AM   #6
MJN
Registered User
 
MJN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Maquoketa, Ia/ Orr, Mn
Posts: 2,985
Re: Transfer case info

Quote:
Originally Posted by kipps View Post
Someone else on a different group said the reason the full-time np203 was only offered behind automatics for several years had to do with the annoying jerkiness when turning. The automatic transmission helped damper some of that jerkiness.
I also saw that post and can attest to the jerkiness while turning. I would also imagine production take-rate had a part to play along with the customer feedback. My '74 K20 was a 465/203 combo from the factory but I swapped it to a 205 to make it more drivable and less wear/tear on all the driveline parts. I kept the transfer case, adapter and drive flanges if I ever decided to return it back to as-built. I also would say the NP205 wasn't a 'special' order item, rather just a production option when the NP203 was standard equipment based on base model code. Same treatment to getting any other RPO (mirrors, trim package, etc) when buying your truck.
__________________
'51 South Bend Model "9A"
'56 Chevy 3600 NAPCO
'74 Chevy Cheyenne Super K20-restored on 37's
'72 GMC Sierra Custom K2500- in progress
'08 GMC Envoy Denali
'12 GMC Sierra 2500HD Denali
'17 GMC Yukon XL
VCCA member #58596
http://www.nohrco.com
MJN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2023, 11:11 AM   #7
MJN
Registered User
 
MJN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Maquoketa, Ia/ Orr, Mn
Posts: 2,985
Re: Transfer case info

One other comment- I would say based on the SM465/NP203 adapter the NP203 was not a figure 8 pattern like the NP205 was. As you can see the side with blue RTV is the transfer case side of the adapter- the oily side is the SM465 side. Also, another nuance with the NP203- it used a 10 spline female input and coupled directly to the SM465 and did not use a splined coupling like the NP205 did.
Attached Images
  
__________________
'51 South Bend Model "9A"
'56 Chevy 3600 NAPCO
'74 Chevy Cheyenne Super K20-restored on 37's
'72 GMC Sierra Custom K2500- in progress
'08 GMC Envoy Denali
'12 GMC Sierra 2500HD Denali
'17 GMC Yukon XL
VCCA member #58596
http://www.nohrco.com
MJN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2023, 11:30 AM   #8
Accelo
Senior Member
 
Accelo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: washington
Posts: 2,203
Re: Transfer case info

The annoying jerkiness when turning was caused by the Cardan joints (U-joints/universal joints) at the outer end of the front axles. This was the reason all modern trucks use CV joints.
Accelo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2023, 02:20 PM   #9
HOTFUN
Senior Member
 
HOTFUN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
Posts: 2,144
Re: Transfer case info

Back when these new process 203 chain drive came out and versus the 205 gear system GM was boasting their quietness and effortless shifting with the full time system. Didnt take long to figure the fuel mileage difference and the additional wear on full time turning components to have everyone putting lockouts on their full time GM trucks.
Trucks were getting more and more car like in the squarebody design years. Streamlined cabs no more windshield gutters to cut wind noise and power window /lock options and full interior lining options by the 1977 models.
__________________
'66 CST BBW swb fleet 327 fac ac
'67 CST 4x4 swb 327 stepside project
'72 Cheyenne K20 50k original
'72 Cheyenne Super K20 project
'73 Sierra swb 4x4 frame off in paint stage
'74 Cheyenne Super swb w/16k actual
'71 & 72 Cheyenne K10 4x4 swb's
'70 426 HEMICUDA conv SHAKER 4 sp Dana 60
'60 Impala conv 327 PG fac ac loaded 3rd owner
'72 GMC K2500 4x4
'59 Apache CST BBW fleetside swb 283
'73 ElCamino SS LS1 T56 true SS bucket tach
'76 ElCamino SS 52k survivor
'87 Grand National 41k True 2nd to last built in 1987.
'86 K30 454 SRW fleetside CA since new
'88 Trans Am GTA 39k bought new
2018 DEMON plum crazy @ 840HP! "Need for speed"
HOTFUN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2023, 01:25 PM   #10
wazzabie
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: WA
Posts: 369
Re: Transfer case info

There also was an added support support brace from the tcase to the auto tranny. This was around 1978. Prior to 1978 a support brace that went from the tcase to the frame. I'm not sure on the exact years for these changes. Also not all trucks had this or in later years they were removed by the owner.

Early np203 housings (1974-?) are one piece compared to the later np203 housing. This might only have been a two year run.
wazzabie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2023, 06:52 AM   #11
GM72K10
Next!
 
GM72K10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Eastern Pa.
Posts: 2,479
Re: Transfer case info

Not to be too picky but the CUCV M1028 DID use the NP208/TH400 combo. Only M1028a1, M1028a2 and M1031 model CUCVs had the NP205s.
__________________
86 K30 CUCV M1028A1
86 K30 CUCV M1028a2 dually
86 K30 C&C 6.2 4:56s, 4M, 11,000 gvw, ex fire truck, now lowboy dump
More square bodies and CUCVs than I care to admit to
2020 Silverado K3500HD Work truck
GM72K10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2023, 09:04 AM   #12
kipps
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: North-central Virginia
Posts: 1,099
Re: Transfer case info

Quote:
Originally Posted by wazzabie View Post
There also was an added support support brace from the tcase to the auto tranny. This was around 1978. Prior to 1978 a support brace that went from the tcase to the frame. I'm not sure on the exact years for these changes. Also not all trucks had this or in later years they were removed by the owner.

Whoever thought that bracing the t-case to the frame was a good idea? It seems like that's a recipe for broken bellhousings and transmission rear housings, if the t-case can't budge at all, but the engine can move in its mounts.

My 1987 did not have a t-case to bell brace when I got it. I bought a brace for a th400/np208 truck that was the correct length for my sm465/np208 combo, and it still fits on my nv4500/np241 setup.
__________________
1987 C6P V20 truck, 2010 LMG 5.3, AFM delete, 2010 Camaro exhaust manifolds, 1997 nv4500, 1991 np241c, hydroboost, 2005 14bff axle & driveshaft, drop-n-lock gooseneck, 4.10 gears, stock suspension, rims, and tires. Still a work in progress. Any questions or suggestions are welcome!
kipps is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:36 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright 1997-2022 67-72chevytrucks.com