She's a ton of fun (dually build on air)

[502ms]

Originally Posted by jkeating1

Have you had a chance to shop NV4500's around Nashville? Just curious what the going rate is. I found a salvage one for $450 plus core, and a rebuilt with warranty for $1075, prob also plus core--which I don't have. So another buck and a half for that, I imagine.

When I was debating on going with the T56 or the NV4500, I saw SEVERAL on ebay with 1 or 2 year warranty, free shipping, and remanufactured for $1099 and $1199. They were purty, too. But I decided I wanted the extra gears and the double OD.

[Rusbuilt]

Originally Posted by 502ms

When I was debating on going with the T56 or the NV4500, I saw SEVERAL on ebay with 1 or 2 year warranty, free shipping, and remanufactured for $1099 and $1199. They were purty, too. But I decided I wanted the extra gears and the double OD.

double over drive! lol

[thelonerife]

Yeah!

[Rusbuilt]

I just got off the phone with Dave at PB!! I added A arms, sway bar and some of them famous PB hood hinges!!!!

[JRANGER]

OMG!!! Its about to start happening!!!!! Lets do this!!!!

[Rusbuilt]

I have been looking for a 3500 or 4500, I've found a few but none I want to pick up yet. I have actually been debating on buying a whole truck so I know I get a good one. lol

[jkeating1]

Good idea. That rebuilt didn't have shift tower, stick, bellhousing, release arm, throwout bearing, flywheel, slave cyl, master cyl---I know some of that stuff you'd want new anyway, but I'm jus sayin....
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[jkeating1]

BTW--while I've got your thread 'jacked for my own education, what do you use for hubs and rotors when you put a dropmember on a 45 yr old one ton? Are the spindles set up for hubs/discs that bolt up to the spacers it already has, to compensate for the wheel offset?
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[72k5zl1]

are your mirror arms white or a brushed finish?

[Rusbuilt]

Originally Posted by jkeating1

BTW--while I've got your thread 'jacked for my own education, what do you use for hubs and rotors when you put a dropmember on a 45 yr old one ton? Are the spindles set up for hubs/discs that bolt up to the spacers it already has, to compensate for the wheel offset?
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I'll be running 73-87 1ton 3" drop spindles and rotors. All I have to do is install the 1 ton ball joints in the PB arms.

Originally Posted by 72k5zl1

are your mirror arms white or a brushed finish?

They are brushed

[jkeating1]

[QUOTE=Rusbuilt;5891543]I'll be running 73-87 1ton 3" drop spindles and rotors. All I have to do is install the 1 ton ball joints in the PB arms.


Aren't the lug studs in a big spacer that bolts to the hub? Like 3" deep and 7 or 8" around, or is my memory fuzzy? If so, I guess you just get a stock one for a 73-87 1 ton, huh? Or IS that the hub?

And that T56-in-a-C30 idea is intriguing! Damn, if it can handle the torque of a Viper V10, it ought to be able to handle a HD truck pulling the occasional trailer! They have a funky output shaft though.

[502ms]

Originally Posted by Rusbuilt

And that T56-in-a-C30 idea is intriguing! Damn, if it can handle the torque of a Viper V10, it ought to be able to handle a HD truck pulling the occasional trailer! They have a funky output shaft though.

Do it! I am excited about it. Think about the benefits....and yes you can make it do what you want!
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[Rusbuilt]

I'm not sure I'm following your question.. Big spacer? Are you referring to 10 lug adapters?

[jkeating1]

No, I'm talking factory stuff for 8 lug. You're saying the front wheel bolts to a hub face that is the same as on a C20? So the control arms are longer? Or is the spindle designed to "stick out" farther? I mean---to compensate for the 9" or so backspacing of the front wheels.

[Rusbuilt]

The only thing C20 I am using is the frame itself. I will be running c30 PB arms, 73-87 ball joints and spindles. With factory dually hubs/rotor.

[jkeating1]

Ahh! A picture's worth a thousand words! Its the outer half of the rotor/hub I was trying to describe. That answers my question. If you get the hub for a 83-87 DRW C30, that "spacer" as I was calling it, is just the outer half of the hub. Thank you--now I don't have to worry about scrounging the salvage yard!

[67cheby]

gonna be SWEET !

[lolife99]

Is Nate making your arms shorter so the wheels will tuck?
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[Rusbuilt]

Originally Posted by jkeating1

Ahh! A picture's worth a thousand words! Its the outer half of the rotor/hub I was trying to describe. That answers my question. If you get the hub for a 83-87 DRW C30, that "spacer" as I was calling it, is just the outer half of the hub. Thank you--now I don't have to worry about scrounging the salvage yard!

Lol you're welcome.

Originally Posted by 67cheby

gonna be SWEET !

Thanks Mike

Originally Posted by 502ms

Do it! I am excited about it. Think about the benefits....and yes you can make it do what you want!
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That was actually originally posted by jkeating1. I don't think I will do a t56. I will more that likely be running the NV3500.

Originally Posted by lolife99

Is Nate making your arms shorter so the wheels will tuck?
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I'm not sure. I went ahead and placed the order for the arms with Dave so I could have it all cut with my dropmembers and I should be hearing from Nate about what exactly I should do on the arms. I welcome any input, especially from a wise suspension man like yourself!!

[lolife99]

Originally Posted by Rusbuilt

I'm not sure. I went ahead and placed the order for the arms with Dave so I could have it all cut with my dropmembers and I should be hearing from Nate about what exactly I should do on the arms. I welcome any input, especially from a wise suspension man like yourself!!

I guess I didn't realize you had the Dropmember also.
The 73-87 bagged dually guys run dually hubs with narrowed arms, or 1-ton single wheel hubs with "lengthened" arms.
I'm not sure if the Dropmembers narrowed track width will be enough.

Have you mocked up your front end, with the wheels you will be using, yet?

The stock set-up won't tuck.
As in this member's truck.
(I would ask Nate what he thinks)

[jkeating1]

Originally Posted by lolife99

I guess I didn't realize you had the Dropmember also.
The 73-87 bagged dually guys run dually hubs with narrowed arms, or 1-ton single wheel hubs with "lengthened" arms.
I'm not sure if the Dropmembers narrowed track width will be enough.


The stock set-up won't tuck.

This is why I love this board! I like the idea of longer arms and single wheel hubs instead of that long space between the bearings and the hub flange. Not to mention the unsprung weight of that one-ton hub!

Lo, when you say "the stock set-up won't work"---do you mean with the semi wheels (like the pic, and like Rus will use)? In other words; mine is a '72 C20, I will run stock 16" steel one-ton wheels, shorter-than-stock tires (IDK the height yet), stock subframe, PB lengthened arms & bags, & C20 or C30 SW hubs. If I (I mean Nate) get the hub-to-hub dimension right, I should be good to go, huh? I know it won't lay frame, but at a lowish ride height, it will prob be driveable, or will it?

Hope I didnt get off into hijack territory Rus, but like you, I love it when I find a man who knows!

JK

[lolife99]

Originally Posted by jkeating1

This is why I love this board! I like the idea of longer arms and single wheel hubs instead of that long space between the bearings and the hub flange. Not to mention the unsprung weight of that one-ton hub!

Lo, when you say "the stock set-up won't work"---do you mean with the semi wheels (like the pic, and like Rus will use)? In other words; mine is a '72 C20, I will run stock 16" steel one-ton wheels, shorter-than-stock tires (IDK the height yet), stock subframe, PB lengthened arms & bags, & C20 or C30 SW hubs. If I (I mean Nate) get the hub-to-hub dimension right, I should be good to go, huh? I know it won't lay frame, but at a lowish ride height, it will prob be driveable, or will it?

Hope I didnt get off into hijack territory Rus, but like you, I love it when I find a man who knows!

JK

You might be ok with 16" wheels.
The PB arms are for the guys spending the CA$H to run semi wheels, and lay frame.
In your case,... I would just run dually hubs and stock a-arms with bags and cups.
There are ton's of pics on the internet.
I know people use this forum to answer specific questions,... but if you look around, you can find the exact truck you are building.
Example:
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=245096

Use Google Images.http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...w=1024&bih=485

Like these,...

[jkeating1]

Originally Posted by Rusbuilt

I will more that likely be running the NV3500.

I've been meaning to ask you--what's the difference between a 3500 and a 4500? And what is the 3500 in?

Here's a 3500 for that appears to be much less $ than 4500's

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHEVROLET-19...5ac08f&vxp=mtr




JK

[Rusbuilt]

Originally Posted by lolife99

I guess I didn't realize you had the Dropmember also.
The 73-87 bagged dually guys run dually hubs with narrowed arms, or 1-ton single wheel hubs with "lengthened" arms.
I'm not sure if the Dropmembers narrowed track width will be enough.

Have you mocked up your front end, with the wheels you will be using, yet?

The stock set-up won't tuck.
As in this member's truck.
(I would ask Nate what he thinks)

Yeah I need to give him a call tomorrow. I am actually looking at a set of wheels tomorrow. I hope to be able to do a mock up on paper as in... knowing the wheel offset, thickness of the 8to10 lug adapter and the track width with from hub to hub vs the width from inside of fender to inside of fender. Hopefully I can get it close. Who knows maybe I'll talk to Nate and he will know exactly what I should do! Thanks for your help Keith!

Originally Posted by jkeating1

I've been meaning to ask you--what's the difference between a 3500 and a 4500? And what is the 3500 in?

Here's a 3500 for that appears to be much less $ than 4500's

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHEVROLET-19...5ac08f&vxp=mtr




JK

The 3500 came in the half tons and the 4500 came in the 3/4-1 tons. If I understand correctly the 4500 has a granny gear and I'm not really looking for that so I want to go with the 3500. If I pull anything it won't be much so I think it will serve me well!

[jkeating1]

Originally Posted by Rusbuilt

The only thing C20 I am using is the frame itself. I will be running c30 PB arms, 73-87 ball joints and spindles. With factory dually hubs/rotor.

I'm looking at Raybestos 5022R hubs for late 73-87 C30 Dual Wheel trucks. Does that number ring a bell? The illustration had a different PN, I'm sure it's another brand. They are from $120-$140 each---sound about right?

Actually PB60442 is a Wagner # it looks like. I come up with the same applications, but it's Wagner #60443. Go figure