1967 C10 Custom Big Window

[suville]

I'm by no means a suspension expert but if you consider your plans to shim the UCA out on the rear stud you do in fact push the wheel forward in the fender but you also create an issue in that now the top ball joint is ahead of the lower and that I believe could cause steering issues. Not only is there caster,camber, and toe in there is another factor called ackerman I cannot explain that but I have had it explained to me and Im thinking by creating two different axis on the UCA and LCR pivot points you may have issues. In looking at mods to center the wheel in the opening I cant help but think moving the complete suspension forward is the best way to accomplish this. I have seen cut and modified CA's but aint no way I'd do it. So Im considering the crossmember relocation as the best way to accomplish the goal. I know that Nate,(Porterbilt) is a busy guy but I would value his input to this situation anyone that can design and build the dropmember with the expertise he has I would think he definitely understands steering geometry. Anyway not to throw cold water on your plans I would sure do some diligent research into this, you have built one of the cleanest rigs on this forum and it would be a shame to create a situation that could possibly prove disastrous you can always build another truck if it gets damaged but you cant restore or replace your body!

[Slick67]

Originally Posted by 67-C10

your truck is sweet man coming along real nice. what do you have to the bottom of your gas tank? i got mine cheap and got 8" to the bottom of the tank at the back but im just afraid of hitting it coming down a sloped drive.

Thanks for the compliment, feels good to hear that! Being that my truck is bagged I will set the ride height to accomodate for daily driving issues like this, but then again it is just a weekend cruiser so I am cutting my percentage of chances dramatically of damaging the sump at the rear. Airred out I still have over 5 inches of clearance when it's up I will have 8 to 10 like yourself! Another thing that will keep me in check is that my tires are 10 inches wide and I don't want them to rub by driving while airred out.

Originally Posted by suville

I'm by no means a suspension expert but if you consider your plans to shim the UCA out on the rear stud you do in fact push the wheel forward in the fender but you also create an issue in that now the top ball joint is ahead of the lower and that I believe could cause steering issues. Not only is there caster,camber, and toe in there is another factor called ackerman I cannot explain that but I have had it explained to me and Im thinking by creating two different axis on the UCA and LCR pivot points you may have issues. In looking at mods to center the wheel in the opening I cant help but think moving the complete suspension forward is the best way to accomplish this. I have seen cut and modified CA's but aint no way I'd do it. So Im considering the crossmember relocation as the best way to accomplish the goal. I know that Nate,(Porterbilt) is a busy guy but I would value his input to this situation anyone that can design and build the dropmember with the expertise he has I would think he definitely understands steering geometry. Anyway not to throw cold water on your plans I would sure do some diligent research into this, you have built one of the cleanest rigs on this forum and it would be a shame to create a situation that could possibly prove disastrous you can always build another truck if it gets damaged but you cant restore or replace your body!

Hey Suville, I read alot of your comments on other threads and value your thoughts and opinions and of course open to everyones. After reading several forums and looking through this site it seems to be a "quick fix" but also seems to work and be safe. I shimmed the uca forward about .5 of an inch and in trying to keep the geometry correct I moved the lca forward about .5 of an inch, so the goemetry changed, but ever so slightly from the ackerman stand point. It was explained to me like looking at a wheel on a shopping cart, or, the reverse of a motorcycles front fork rake. You can bet I will take it easy before any road time really happens just to monitor the action/reaction of the uca's and lca's and all attached especially since my truck is bagged. I hope at a later date I will be contacting Porterbuilt to order a front end and not just for asking advise! (when my money is right) He is very knowledgable, and you as well! Keep up the great questions and answers, it makes us all think!!! Question......if I move the cab back toward the bed, maybe .25 of an inch, will that effect anything like the core support alignment or fender alignment or will they move back a little too? If this is a non-issue then that will get my front wheel closer to the center of the wheel opening also.

[kev2809]

if you move the cab back, wouldnt you have to move all the mounts? including the front core support mounts, which holds the grille which bolts to the fenders?

i didnt get a chance to run outside and check my truck to make sure because its ugly ass hell outside and wont stop raining (been off all week and no progress lol)..but i think if you move the cab back, everything has to move. maybe someone can verify that..

[Slick67]

Originally Posted by kev2809

if you move the cab back, wouldnt you have to move all the mounts? including the front core support mounts, which holds the grille which bolts to the fenders?

i didnt get a chance to run outside and check my truck to make sure because its ugly ass hell outside and wont stop raining (been off all week and no progress lol)..but i think if you move the cab back, everything has to move. maybe someone can verify that..

It is true, but if you only move it back .25 of an inch then it should not effect anything. The cab mounts have enough play in them and the core support to move everthing back that much without doing anything else (like steering column adjustment). I have had to move my cab forward and backwards while installing and removing my bed at least 7 times in the past couple of months and really do not see any problem with it. Then again, it is only a quarter of an inch or so.

[70stroker]

Looking good man. but you slackin on the pics..

[Slick67]

Originally Posted by 70stroker

Looking good man. but you slackin on the pics..

I'm on it! Should have some for all you picture wh*res tomorrow or Saturday! Of what I dunno, but something!!!

[Slick67]

Update: I took my engine cradle to the machine shop today, you know that means it is almost time to get the elusive engine back. It has only been 11 months and 12 days, should have it back Saturday!!! Now for the pics, this will have to suffice until I post this weekend.

[my67chevytruck]

What a tease

[texanidiot25]

[Slick67]

I traded out the Blazer seats for a set of 88 to 91 buckets, they actually are in great shape just a little dirty. The Blazer seats had a little more rust on them than I wanted to contend with. Also have the bodyman coming this weekend to finish up my rockers and breather cover and a couple of odds and ends. I am getting more excited about the engine too!

[Slick67]

A little bit accomplished this weekend, wish it was more, here goes.
Test fitted the seats....they are perfect for these trucks!

Got my gas filler neck in and got it ready to install when the bed goes on for the last time.

Some of you guys will know what these are. Sorry the pic is a little blurry. Camelhump heads.....and they are going on the 327.

They look rough now but they won't for long. Couple more hottanks and a sandblasting and they'll look like new.

What's this??? My 327! It is not quite finished but getting those heads was worth the wait. He has paint on it so that was a good indication that it will be done soon. My bodyman talked me into painting it the color of the truck.

[Slick67]

Had a couple more pics to share. We started fixing the paint on both rockers and cab corner (no comment). Almost ready for paint.

Got the valve covers and the breather cover prepped and primed so hope to have a little color on those before the end of next week.

[VA72C10]

Looking good. I'm painting mine to match the truck too.

[Slick67]

Originally Posted by VA72C10

Looking good. I'm painting mine to match the truck too.

Thanks bro! Last minute decisions.......they can make you or break you. I think I made the right choice!

[VA72C10]

It's really coming together....engine cover is going to look great and it's going to really flow well with the engine and valve covers all painted the same!

[kev2809]

good idea on the color matched engine. thats gonna look good.

hey whats seats did you drop in there?

[suville]

"My bodyman talked me into painting it the color of the truck."

Bet he didnt have to talk to hard.... Good choice! Carries out your whole theme.

[Slick67]

Originally Posted by VA72C10

It's really coming together....engine cover is going to look great and it's going to really flow well with the engine and valve covers all painted the same!

Hope it comes out as good as some of your ideas!

Originally Posted by kev2809

good idea on the color matched engine. thats gonna look good.

hey whats seats did you drop in there?

Thanks Kevin! They are 88 to 91 chevy truck buckets.

Originally Posted by suville

"My bodyman talked me into painting it the color of the truck."

Bet he didnt have to talk to hard.... Good choice! Carries out your whole theme.

Not too hard

[my67chevytruck]

Looking. Good David!

[0331grunt]

Good choice with the color matched engine! Whole thing is looking good

[mcbassin]

Looking good! Keep at it!

[Slick67]

Originally Posted by my67chevytruck

Looking. Good David!

Thanks Heath! I feel like something is getting done!

Originally Posted by 0331grunt

Good choice with the color matched engine! Whole thing is looking good

I just hope it isn't too much orange. The inner fenders are going to be black so that should even it out some.

Originally Posted by mcbassin

Looking good! Keep at it!

Chuggin right along....maybe I will get it together before the car show season.

[nuke1]

OMG!!!!! What is that? an engine? lol. glad to see that it is coming together. Now hurry up! Then you can be the one to break that engine in on your trip up here to the land of ice cold brews and visit me. Sound Good! Later

[Slick67]

Originally Posted by nuke1

OMG!!!!! What is that? an engine? lol. glad to see that it is coming together. Now hurry up! Then you can be the one to break that engine in on your trip up here to the land of ice cold brews and visit me. Sound Good! Later

Hahaha sounds great!!! Can't wait!! Chris, my engine builder, said it's good for 360+ HP since I got these camelhump heads. I will have to dyno it later and give some real world figures but sounds like a healthy 8 pack to me. We have snow in the forecast for tomorrow, that will be the 3rd snow this year which hasn't happened since 73' so I suppose we are the land of slush!!

[70stroker]

Looks awesome thanks for the pics. I cant wait to see the breather installed