Hey check out my truck

[ZmOz]

Originally Posted by jagman

The way I figure it I can only get 2465.75 gals of gas at what I have in this vehicle

You said you've spent $5400 and plan on spending $2000 more. At $2.20/gallon that's 3,363 gallons. Even at $2.50 a gallon that's nearly 3000 gallons.

Originally Posted by jagman

I guess I see that I have a better idea and when your paying 3 bux a galllon by the end of this year maybe you will see it to

Gas is not going to be $3 a gallon by the end of the year.

Originally Posted by jagman

Plus I have no oil changes, no antifreeze , no exhaust leaks ,I guess it just seems smarter even if it is alot of work getting there .

I don't see how that's any "smarter". The work it's taken to do what you have done is far more than it would ever take to maintain a vehicle.

Originally Posted by jagman

.Also how far can you drive on 3 bux worth of gas I'm shooting for 200 miles per charge.

And how much does a 200 mile charge cost you? It's certainly cheaper than gas, but it isn't free.

It's a cool idea, but in no way is it cheaper than gasoline...

[jagman]

Originally Posted by ZmOz

You said you've spent $5400 and plan on spending $2000 more. At $2.20/gallon that's 3,363 gallons. Even at $2.50 a gallon that's nearly 3000 gallons.


currently I have spent 5400 so I figured it on that not on the second phase of the project


Gas is not going to be $3 a gallon by the end of the year.

whatever ,wait and see its already hit 2.45 here for a short time



I don't see how that's any "smarter". The work it's taken to do what you have done is far more than it would ever take to maintain a vehicle.

so its my chioce right?



And how much does a 200 mile charge cost you? It's certainly cheaper than gas, but it isn't free.

3 bux

It's a cool idea, but in no way is it cheaper than gasoline...

believe what you want in the long term it will be ALOT cheaper figure what you spend to buy your vehicle and the cost of operation mine will come out less than half of yours

[newin72]

now now boyz... lets not go getting this thread locked, I for one want to keep getting updates on this one!

thanks.

[jagman]

sorry its just I have been planning and designing this project for four years and just started building it this May ,this ha been no small matter even my family and friends are backing me on this .

[ZmOz]

Originally Posted by jagman

believe what you want in the long term it will be ALOT cheaper figure what you spend to buy your vehicle and the cost of operation mine will come out less than half of yours

I'm not trying to start an arguement, but HOW would it be anywhere near less than half of a normal vehicle? That's absolutely ridiculous. Look at the numbers I posted above. By the time you break even it will be time to spend a few thousand more on new batteries.

Please, show me dollar for dollar how your S10 will be cheaper to drive for 100,000 miles than somebody else's gas powered S10. Consider the vehicle free, since you're both starting with the same thing.

Like I said, it's a cool idea, but if you think you're saving more than a couple bucks in several years you're living in a dream...

[jagman]

ok fair enough batteries are replaced every four years at 800.00 and at 3 dollars per charge every 200 miles just seems to me it will come out cheaper i have no oil changes ,plugs, or anything related to gas engine maintance , periodlly you do blow compressed air into the motor to blow out the carbon in the motor and yes dollar for dollar right at the door gas is cheaper but a electric motor will run a million miles before it has to be rebuilt so buttom line its cheaper off the line to drive your gas vehicle but over the course of the life of the two vehicles (gas & electric ) the electric comes up cheaper because it can run 1M miles where the other S10 might hit 250k miles and I do drive my vehicles until they die

[ZmOz]

Originally Posted by jagman

the electric comes up cheaper because it can run 1M miles where the other S10 might hit 250k miles and I do drive my vehicles until they die

Just because the electric motor can last that long doesn't mean you can drive it that far. The rest of the S10 will fall apart long before you get to a million miles. If you want to save money you should have spent $7400 on a small diesel vehicle and used free waste oil...

[jermasaurus]

Can that motor be switched to a generator to recharge the batteries. I have done a report on the electric Rav4 and it used the motor to slow down the car (regenerative braking) and in turn, charging the batteries. If you wanna see the outline of my presentation, here it is. Its actually pretty interesting.

[jagman]

I guess I will find out and I have tried the waste oil thing I can not aquire any everyone says its a EPA thing go figure otherwise I would be driving a diesel now but I will not stop on my S10 and what happens if it does better than I project if the body does fall apart I can refit it into something else ,one way or another I will succeed ! And do you really think gas is going to be any cheaper?This is the entire reasoning I have to do this everything goes up and gas seems to be really going up .Well it's Friday night and I have a honey that wants me to take her out. lata

[jagman]

yes it has regenative brakes designed into it but I will check out your page .Thanks

[Shane]

Originally Posted by ZmOz

I'm not trying to start an arguement ...

Yes you are ... so why don't you cool it.

The guy is sharing his project with all of us and all you want to do is knock his ingenuity ... the rest of us just want to hear details concerning how it works.

Just chill dude.

[ZmOz]

Originally Posted by Shane

Yes you are ... so why don't you cool it.

The guy is sharing his project with all of us and all you want to do is knock his ingenuity ... the rest of us just want to hear details concerning how it works.

Just chill dude.

I'm simply posting the facts and asking him to explain how it's cheaper. If you don't like that, don't read it. Nobody can have a friggin discussion on this forum without it getting locked...

[68haywagon]

Not something I have the skill to pull off but I think it's cool. My friend's parents just got one of those Toyota Priuses and spent something like $26k for it. This will end up being cheaper and help keep our environment that much cleaner.

Good luck to you. I hope it works great.

Mike

EDIT: I still see the a/c compressor in one of the pics.....are you still going to run it? If so what are your plans for hooking it up? I have a bunch of questions I could ask you all night. But I won't bother you with that.

[NeCrOmAnCeR]

So a question I have is will you be able to get a tax break for a low-emmission vehicle? That would be worth looking into. I would be interested in seeing the complete set-up. Especially the speed controllers. How large of a circuit is required to charge it? 220V for fast charge or 110 so you can charge it anywhere?

[Shane]

Originally Posted by ZmOz

That's absolutely ridiculous ... and ... but if you think you're saving more than a couple bucks in several years you're living in a dream... If you don't like that, don't read it ... Nobody can have a friggin discussion on this forum without it getting locked...

Statements such those above are NOT facts and they are an excellent example of why posts get locked. It's called INSTIGATING.

Now, would you let the guy tell us about his truck without picking-apart everything he says.

Please?

[ZmOz]

Originally Posted by Shane

Statements such those above are NOT facts and they are an excellent example of why posts get locked. It's called INSTIGATING.

Now, would you let the guy tell us about his truck without picking-apart everything he says.

Please?

You are clearly the one who needs to "chill". The only thing I posted were actual numbers (FACTS) and questions to him. He also clearly said to me "Your comments back are welcomed ,we all have veiw pionts" and I said many times it is a cool idea.

Now please, "chill" before YOU get this thread locked. As I said, if you don't like my comments, don't read them. You can even put me on your ignore list, so you never have to see my comments again...in fact, I would prefer you did...

[Liz]

Originally Posted by ZmOz

I'm simply posting the facts and asking him to explain how it's cheaper. If you don't like that, don't read it. Nobody can have a friggin discussion on this forum without it getting locked...

Originally Posted by ZmOz

Now please, "chill" before YOU get this thread locked. As I said, if you don't like my comments, don't read them. You can even put me on your ignore list, so you never have to see my comments again...in fact, I would prefer you did...

and attitudes like that are what cause them to be. This post HAS been reported due to YOUR posts... it should be closed now.. last warning play nice or bye...

[ZmOz]

Originally Posted by mhc

and attitudes like that are what cause them to be. This post HAS been reported due to YOUR posts... it should be closed now.. last warning play nice or bye...

Please show me where I did not "play nice" with jagman.

Yes, I was arguing with Shane, and that is only because he is here instigating it. I play nice with people who show respect to me. If this thread was closed over something so ridiculous, it is very sad indeed...

[Josh]

Originally Posted by ZmOz

Please show me where I did not "play nice" with jagman.

Yes, I was arguing with Shane, and that is only because he is here instigating it. I play nice with people who show respect to me. If this thread was closed over something so ridiculous, it is very sad indeed...

Perhaps you should re evaluate your attitude before attempting to "discuss" this topic, you come off as argumentative. Please enjoy your 24 hour vacation.

And unless my math is wrong, even doing the electric cnversion and paying for an extra set of batteries (8yrs span) to operate hte electric for 100k miles it is $10,100. The gas s-10 at an average of 20mpg hwy/city, and gas @ 2.20 a gallon will be $11,000 to operate just in fuel costs, please get ALL the facts in before posting.

[VetteVet]

Originally Posted by jagman

I assume you have a piont????? Why do I want to contuine to buy gas when it keeps going up and up and up ? Do you spend money fixing up your truck or buying a new one?Well rather than buying something else that is going to make big oil richer why not use my degree and make something worth owning ?The way I figure it I can only get 2465.75 gals of gas at what I have in this vehicle plus I have to have a vehicle to runthis fuel in , I guess I see that I have a better idea and when your paying 3 bux a galllon by the end of this year maybe you will see it to . Plus I have no oil changes, no antifreeze , no exhaust leaks ,I guess it just seems smarter even if it is alot of work getting there .Also how far can you drive on 3 bux worth of gas I'm shooting for 200 miles per charge.Your comments back are welcomed ,we all have veiw pionts mine is forget big oil

It gets pretty cold in the winter even in Louisville so how are you going to compensate for that and a defroster for the windshield?
Back in the late sixties I worked for Clark Equipment company and they built fork lift trucks, both gas and electric. I worked on the electrics for several years and they were pretty neat but they used a huge battery that was 36 volts and had to be charged every night. Of course they were used all day long too. The power controller was a silicon controlled rectifier panel and would allow controlled speed from zero to about 12 mph. Are you familier with these terms? I assume you've figured out how to accelerate and vary the speed of your truck.

[muddyole 69]

I am curious what speed are you thinking for your overall goal of 200+ per charge forgive my ignorance but as with any vehicle I am assuming that once up to speed the draw on energy source be it gas or electric would decline so how many stop starts are you factoring in ? Looking forward to hearing your results definitely a way cool project later Mike

[jagman]

Hey guys Im gonna answer the questions the best I can here and I have no problem with your questions so if you wanna know something ask maybe you will come up with a better plan than mine or we may inspire each other to do something bigger and better ok as far as skill ,my logic is Im no smarter than any of the rest of you we can all do this some may just need a little more help but at times I need help to .the a/c and p/s will have separate 12v motors to power them as I need them and I will retain the 12v alt to power the items in the truck and hopefully some heat ,heat will also be pulled off the motor to help keep my frozen fingers warm .The government offers no tax breaks to someone like myself you have to buy a factory built unit to get a break of any kind (to my knoweledge) .The command center of my project is computer controlled with optical sensors to help vary speeds and loads ,Im hoping this will reduce some of my current draw and give me the added distance to make this worthwhile .I am familair with Silicon controlled recitfiers and do have a few scr's in this truck as far as distance I can only esimate at this time but normally a electric vehicle does better in the city than on the open road ,This is because you do alot of coasting and the coasting will create current to be put back into the system . If I didnt answer your questions or you would like to know more just ask and to all you guys thanks I kinda felt like it was agruementative as well ,all i want is for us as americans to be able to have something and not get robbed by big oil .

[slammed64]

hey, nice truck jagman. i know the perfect thing that will make it look even better. 20's. i've got a set of 20's that have never been on anything. i bought them for my 64 that i converted to 5 lug. the company that i bought them off, said they were 5 on 5 but they weren't. they are 5 on 4 3/4. i'm pretty sure they will fit a s-10 or chev car. if you are interested they are $1800.00. if you aren't interested, maybe you know someone else that is interested. they are ultra intro's. five spoke. chromed aluminum.

[Palf70Step]

Jagman, please keep us informed. It's definitely different from what many would consider worth doing, but it is what you want that counts. You got a lot of nice work into it and I for one and looking forward to the shots of it moving.....hey maybe even a few burnouts (Can you do that with electric? )

[Josh]

jagman, you have any websites with info how to do this? I've always been interested in different forms of propulsion, and this intrigues me. (plus i'd love to build a 67 short step that runs on electric for the fun of being different! )