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**BAD4X4** · 03-18-2007, 11:40 AM

Here they are, Don't mind the front driveline, I need to pull it and have it lengthend.

**special-K** · 03-19-2007, 07:00 AM

What a hunk! I love`um like that.What wheels are thosr?Nice.

**BAD4X4** · 03-19-2007, 08:02 AM

They are called 41 40 offroad, They are 17x10. I bought them at les schwab in town. They are so easy to keep clean. I'm still waiting for the front to settle, If you look just right the front tires sit a little far forward. They told me it would settle out. I hope!!!!

**special-K** · 03-19-2007, 10:01 AM

I did see that.Heck,alot of guys move them forward for clearance(mostly on`Yotas,I believe).Now,if they`ll settle,will you figure that in to your front shaft length?(a bit?)What`s it gonna take to settle those springs?Can we get a close-up of a wheel?One more question...what size and brand tires are those?(

2 Qs in one)

**BAD4X4** · 03-20-2007, 01:01 AM

Toyo M/T 37/13.50/17 try to get pics when the dust settles. Just got the wifes new project home 68 camaro, and trying to get the 70 done for a show this weekend.

**special-K** · 03-20-2007, 06:33 AM

Good things are worth waiting for.

Hoods69BadBowTie · 03-20-2007, 09:18 PM

Looks great to me!

72cheyennesuper20 · 03-20-2007, 10:59 PM

Looks great, The only problem is mine looks like a low rider with its 4" lift.

cory321 · 03-22-2007, 08:21 PM

Awesome

**Yukon Jack** · 03-23-2007, 08:59 AM

Looks good to me. You could always move your front spring center pins if they don't settle enough and the axle being forward bugs you. That or a ORD Zero Rate would shift it back. Will your front driveshaft handle the angle it is at?

martinkh · 03-23-2007, 09:29 AM

Why on God's green earth would you need 8" for 37" tires? Although honestly, it looks like your wheels are a bit fwd in the openings. Are you using stock spring mount locations?

I had my 70 LWB springs re-arched and 2" add a leaf, and with the slightest bit of contouring, 35" tires should be no problem. for 37" tires, a 6" lift should be plenty. There is one spot on the front of the front wheel opening where the edge comes off the radius to make a tangent line straight down. If you form that to continue the curve, you could probably do it with a 4" lift, and probably have room to spare without doing anything really noticable. Less cool, but easier would be to remove the bottom 2" of the lower fender from the wheel opening fwd to the bumper.

Does anyone have pix of lift/tire combos? Particularly front wheel closeups?

**BAD4X4** · 03-23-2007, 09:44 PM

I figured out why the wheels are forward, Superlift put the shims on bakwards! So the springs need to do the flip flop.

**special-K** · 03-24-2007, 07:06 AM

Silly Superlift

So,does that throw your pinion angle down,giving your shaft that horse with a hard...you know....look?

**special-K** · 03-24-2007, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martinkh

Why on God's green earth would you need 8" for 37" tires? Although honestly, it looks like your wheels are a bit fwd in the openings. Are you using stock spring mount locations?

I had my 70 LWB springs re-arched and 2" add a leaf, and with the slightest bit of contouring, 35" tires should be no problem. for 37" tires, a 6" lift should be plenty. There is one spot on the front of the front wheel opening where the edge comes off the radius to make a tangent line straight down. If you form that to continue the curve, you could probably do it with a 4" lift, and probably have room to spare without doing anything really noticable. Less cool, but easier would be to remove the bottom 2" of the lower fender from the wheel opening fwd to the bumper.

Does anyone have pix of lift/tire combos? Particularly front wheel closeups?

Boy,a loaded quote...
*37" tires require that much lift to clear factory sheetmetal if you want full range of articulation.
*35" will rub a bit with 6" lift on one off my`72s and that`s just on road driving.I have 37s I`ll run,but I know I`ll need to be careful.
*Most guys don`t like to go hackin`up fenders,unless it`s a dedicated trail rig.
*There`s a "Sticky" @ the top to answer your last question.Check it out.
*I`ve run 37" rubber with a 4" lift.I cut both ends of the front wells and the leading edge off the rear well.

1969k10stepside · 03-25-2007, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by special-K

*35" will rub a bit with 6" lift on one off my`72s and that`s just on road driving.I have 37s I`ll run,but I know I`ll need to be careful.

How did you manage to let that happen?I'v got 35s on the 71 shortbed with a 4 inch lift and they clear the fenders with 4-6 inches around the tires

Quote:

Most guys don`t like to go hackin`up fenders,unless it`s a dedicated trail rig.

martinkh · 03-25-2007, 09:41 AM

I think the front fender opening can be re-contoured w/out hacking, but I know you were just using a figure of speech.

**special-K** · 03-25-2007, 10:25 AM

Hacking,aka:altering.Yeah,proper metal working techniques hardly qualify as hacking.
Jason.I have 10" rims and Ez-Ride springs.I`ve heard them lightly rub cutting into an uphill turn-out.I`ll be running 37s with care.Are you talking about with a motor installed and driving or as it is,now?

**BAD4X4** · 03-25-2007, 12:20 PM

Tire width rim width and size is all facters in it and the look you want. I'm sick of guys judging everybodys lifts and etc. It's all in the owners choice.I put 8" because I use this truck to go get fire wood cutting and I take it hunting in some places guys would not take a jeep! But I love this truck I don't want to bash on it. I would love to restore it someday, since I'm the 2nd owner!!

**special-K** · 03-25-2007, 02:05 PM

You need a faded blue hood.Black hoods are dumb

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chiggly626 · 03-25-2007, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAD4X4

I'm sick of guys judging everybodys lifts and etc. It's all in the owners choice.I put 8" because I use this truck to go get fire wood cutting and I take it hunting in some places guys would not take a jeep! But I love this truck I don't want to bash on it. I would love to restore it someday, since I'm the 2nd owner!!

Run what YOU like, it's your truck!!!!!! I personally run 8" Deavers on my 71 Blazer with 33 inch tires cause I like fender clearance. (The ride is great too).

67/327 · 03-27-2007, 12:19 AM

hey guys,
does anyone have a part number for a longer parking brake cable
(about 10 or 12 inches longer)
or is there another way to get them back on

**special-K** · 03-27-2007, 06:26 AM

www.inlinetube.com call and tell them how long you want.With a 6" lift,I added 5" which was plenty.

vtblazer · 03-27-2007, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martinkh

Why on God's green earth would you need 8" for 37" tires? Although honestly, it looks like your wheels are a bit fwd in the openings. Are you using stock spring mount locations?

I had my 70 LWB springs re-arched and 2" add a leaf, and with the slightest bit of contouring, 35" tires should be no problem. for 37" tires, a 6" lift should be plenty. There is one spot on the front of the front wheel opening where the edge comes off the radius to make a tangent line straight down. If you form that to continue the curve, you could probably do it with a 4" lift, and probably have room to spare without doing anything really noticable. Less cool, but easier would be to remove the bottom 2" of the lower fender from the wheel opening fwd to the bumper.

Alot depends on articulation at full flex.

Putting add-a-leafs on rearched springs would no doubt allow for 35's cause your overall flex is going to be minimal with that set up.

**BAD4X4** · 03-27-2007, 08:12 AM

K It is a faded blue hood, It just has black primer over it to protect the faded blue, from leaving forever!!!!!!!

**special-K** · 03-27-2007, 10:11 PM

OK,so it`s a custom flip-flop fade-out paint job with black primer over the faded blue up front and faded blue over the black primer in the rear

.Now I dig it!

03-18-2007, 11:40 AM	#26
BAD4X4 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: La pine Oregon Posts: 1,668	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? Here they are, Don't mind the front driveline, I need to pull it and have it lengthend. Attached Images __________________ 1972 Cheyenne K-30 6"lift {502 PROJECT} 1972 Cheyenne K-30 8"lift 454 450hp {Ol'Blue} 1972 Cheyenne K-20 Custom Stretch 6" lift 454 1972 Custom Deluxe K-20 4" lift 2007 GMC Crew Cab Diesel 6"lift {The Tow Rig 2017 Ford F-350 Crew Cab 6.7 6"lift (Wife's) 1977 El Camino SS Grandpa baught new 1986 K-30 Crew Cab 502 1955 Chevy 2-Door gasser 454 550hp{project} 1956 Chevy Bel-Air 2-Door hardtop 572 700hp 1979 Ford F-350 All Original 4x4 (Wife's)

03-19-2007, 07:00 AM	#27
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? What a hunk! I love`um like that.What wheels are thosr?Nice. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

03-19-2007, 08:02 AM	#28
BAD4X4 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: La pine Oregon Posts: 1,668	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? They are called 41 40 offroad, They are 17x10. I bought them at les schwab in town. They are so easy to keep clean. I'm still waiting for the front to settle, If you look just right the front tires sit a little far forward. They told me it would settle out. I hope!!!! __________________ 1972 Cheyenne K-30 6"lift {502 PROJECT} 1972 Cheyenne K-30 8"lift 454 450hp {Ol'Blue} 1972 Cheyenne K-20 Custom Stretch 6" lift 454 1972 Custom Deluxe K-20 4" lift 2007 GMC Crew Cab Diesel 6"lift {The Tow Rig 2017 Ford F-350 Crew Cab 6.7 6"lift (Wife's) 1977 El Camino SS Grandpa baught new 1986 K-30 Crew Cab 502 1955 Chevy 2-Door gasser 454 550hp{project} 1956 Chevy Bel-Air 2-Door hardtop 572 700hp 1979 Ford F-350 All Original 4x4 (Wife's)

03-19-2007, 10:01 AM	#29
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? I did see that.Heck,alot of guys move them forward for clearance(mostly on`Yotas,I believe).Now,if they`ll settle,will you figure that in to your front shaft length?(a bit?)What`s it gonna take to settle those springs?Can we get a close-up of a wheel?One more question...what size and brand tires are those?( 2 Qs in one) __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

03-20-2007, 01:01 AM	#30
BAD4X4 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: La pine Oregon Posts: 1,668	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? Toyo M/T 37/13.50/17 try to get pics when the dust settles. Just got the wifes new project home 68 camaro, and trying to get the 70 done for a show this weekend. __________________ 1972 Cheyenne K-30 6"lift {502 PROJECT} 1972 Cheyenne K-30 8"lift 454 450hp {Ol'Blue} 1972 Cheyenne K-20 Custom Stretch 6" lift 454 1972 Custom Deluxe K-20 4" lift 2007 GMC Crew Cab Diesel 6"lift {The Tow Rig 2017 Ford F-350 Crew Cab 6.7 6"lift (Wife's) 1977 El Camino SS Grandpa baught new 1986 K-30 Crew Cab 502 1955 Chevy 2-Door gasser 454 550hp{project} 1956 Chevy Bel-Air 2-Door hardtop 572 700hp 1979 Ford F-350 All Original 4x4 (Wife's)

03-20-2007, 06:33 AM	#31
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? Good things are worth waiting for. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

03-20-2007, 09:18 PM	#32
Hoods69BadBowTie Chevys Kick A$$ Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Zootown, MT Posts: 12,699	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? Looks great to me! __________________ HOODS is what I answer too -'79, '77, '88 Pickup Sold, '85 Camaro, '83 T/A, '81,'83,'90 K5 Blazer All Sold -'79 3/4 ton "Big Yellow Bananna" Lifted 4spd. 39.5 TSL Swampers, The money Pit -'86 K5 Blazer Silverado 6.2 4" lift 35"s -'95 Ext. Cab Shorty 4" Tuff Country rolling 35" M/T's -'83 Monte Carlo T-Tops. 126,500 Original Miles -LATER I would rather push a Chevy then drive a ford!!

03-20-2007, 10:59 PM	#33
72cheyennesuper20 Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 414	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? Looks great, The only problem is mine looks like a low rider with its 4" lift.

03-22-2007, 08:21 PM	#34
cory321 Problem Child Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kettering Ohio Posts: 1,248	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? Awesome __________________ 1972 gmc sierra grande 350/350 a/c soon`to get a new 350 I Survived Norwood

03-23-2007, 08:59 AM	#35
Yukon Jack Post Whore Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Rose Hill, KS, USA Posts: 12,683	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? Looks good to me. You could always move your front spring center pins if they don't settle enough and the axle being forward bugs you. That or a ORD Zero Rate would shift it back. Will your front driveshaft handle the angle it is at? __________________ 1970 Blazer with a 400 sbc and 4" lift 1980 Pontiac Trans Am, 455 Oldsmobile 2012 Kawasaki Concours 14

03-23-2007, 09:29 AM	#36
martinkh Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boise Posts: 107	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? Why on God's green earth would you need 8" for 37" tires? Although honestly, it looks like your wheels are a bit fwd in the openings. Are you using stock spring mount locations? I had my 70 LWB springs re-arched and 2" add a leaf, and with the slightest bit of contouring, 35" tires should be no problem. for 37" tires, a 6" lift should be plenty. There is one spot on the front of the front wheel opening where the edge comes off the radius to make a tangent line straight down. If you form that to continue the curve, you could probably do it with a 4" lift, and probably have room to spare without doing anything really noticable. Less cool, but easier would be to remove the bottom 2" of the lower fender from the wheel opening fwd to the bumper. Does anyone have pix of lift/tire combos? Particularly front wheel closeups? __________________ '70gmc 3/4ton 4X4, re-arch and 2" add-a-leaf lift. '77 400sbc, '82 axles, d60front, 14bolt rear. Probably some 285/75/16 Toyo m/t's on my stock rims coming up. Last edited by martinkh; 03-23-2007 at 09:37 AM.

03-23-2007, 09:44 PM	#37
BAD4X4 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: La pine Oregon Posts: 1,668	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? I figured out why the wheels are forward, Superlift put the shims on bakwards! So the springs need to do the flip flop. __________________ 1972 Cheyenne K-30 6"lift {502 PROJECT} 1972 Cheyenne K-30 8"lift 454 450hp {Ol'Blue} 1972 Cheyenne K-20 Custom Stretch 6" lift 454 1972 Custom Deluxe K-20 4" lift 2007 GMC Crew Cab Diesel 6"lift {The Tow Rig 2017 Ford F-350 Crew Cab 6.7 6"lift (Wife's) 1977 El Camino SS Grandpa baught new 1986 K-30 Crew Cab 502 1955 Chevy 2-Door gasser 454 550hp{project} 1956 Chevy Bel-Air 2-Door hardtop 572 700hp 1979 Ford F-350 All Original 4x4 (Wife's)

03-24-2007, 07:06 AM	#38
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? Silly Superlift So,does that throw your pinion angle down,giving your shaft that horse with a hard...you know....look? __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

03-25-2007, 09:41 AM	#41
martinkh Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boise Posts: 107	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? I think the front fender opening can be re-contoured w/out hacking, but I know you were just using a figure of speech. __________________ '70gmc 3/4ton 4X4, re-arch and 2" add-a-leaf lift. '77 400sbc, '82 axles, d60front, 14bolt rear. Probably some 285/75/16 Toyo m/t's on my stock rims coming up.

03-25-2007, 10:25 AM	#42
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? Hacking,aka:altering.Yeah,proper metal working techniques hardly qualify as hacking. Jason.I have 10" rims and Ez-Ride springs.I`ve heard them lightly rub cutting into an uphill turn-out.I`ll be running 37s with care.Are you talking about with a motor installed and driving or as it is,now? __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~ Last edited by special-K; 03-25-2007 at 10:27 AM.



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03-25-2007, 12:20 PM	#43
BAD4X4 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: La pine Oregon Posts: 1,668	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? Tire width rim width and size is all facters in it and the look you want. I'm sick of guys judging everybodys lifts and etc. It's all in the owners choice.I put 8" because I use this truck to go get fire wood cutting and I take it hunting in some places guys would not take a jeep! But I love this truck I don't want to bash on it. I would love to restore it someday, since I'm the 2nd owner!! __________________ 1972 Cheyenne K-30 6"lift {502 PROJECT} 1972 Cheyenne K-30 8"lift 454 450hp {Ol'Blue} 1972 Cheyenne K-20 Custom Stretch 6" lift 454 1972 Custom Deluxe K-20 4" lift 2007 GMC Crew Cab Diesel 6"lift {The Tow Rig 2017 Ford F-350 Crew Cab 6.7 6"lift (Wife's) 1977 El Camino SS Grandpa baught new 1986 K-30 Crew Cab 502 1955 Chevy 2-Door gasser 454 550hp{project} 1956 Chevy Bel-Air 2-Door hardtop 572 700hp 1979 Ford F-350 All Original 4x4 (Wife's)

03-25-2007, 02:05 PM	#44
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? You need a faded blue hood.Black hoods are dumb. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

03-27-2007, 12:19 AM	#46
67/327 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: nj Posts: 9	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? hey guys, does anyone have a part number for a longer parking brake cable (about 10 or 12 inches longer) or is there another way to get them back on

03-27-2007, 06:26 AM	#47
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? www.inlinetube.com call and tell them how long you want.With a 6" lift,I added 5" which was plenty. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

03-27-2007, 08:12 AM	#49
BAD4X4 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: La pine Oregon Posts: 1,668	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? K It is a faded blue hood, It just has black primer over it to protect the faded blue, from leaving forever!!!!!!! __________________ 1972 Cheyenne K-30 6"lift {502 PROJECT} 1972 Cheyenne K-30 8"lift 454 450hp {Ol'Blue} 1972 Cheyenne K-20 Custom Stretch 6" lift 454 1972 Custom Deluxe K-20 4" lift 2007 GMC Crew Cab Diesel 6"lift {The Tow Rig 2017 Ford F-350 Crew Cab 6.7 6"lift (Wife's) 1977 El Camino SS Grandpa baught new 1986 K-30 Crew Cab 502 1955 Chevy 2-Door gasser 454 550hp{project} 1956 Chevy Bel-Air 2-Door hardtop 572 700hp 1979 Ford F-350 All Original 4x4 (Wife's)

03-27-2007, 10:11 PM	#50
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: 1972 8"lift I got questions????? OK,so it`s a custom flip-flop fade-out paint job with black primer over the faded blue up front and faded blue over the black primer in the rear.Now I dig it! __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

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