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Old 09-21-2005, 05:13 PM   #51
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would this work with the summit kit? Seems pretty cheap combo. $30 for H4 housings and bulbs
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/67-81...01582779QQrdZ1

plus $20 for the summit kit.
http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...art=SUM-890035

Would these work together? $50 total!
Looks like that Kit from Summit is for the 9005,9006 bulbs not the H4's
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Old 09-21-2005, 05:51 PM   #52
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Looks like that Kit from Summit is for the 9005,9006 bulbs not the H4's
Anyone know of a kit for the H4's? If Im gonna do it, might as well do it all the way.
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Old 09-21-2005, 06:21 PM   #53
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I ordered the whole set up today.

APC harness
Hella lights
And a set of H4 bulbs having a 55/100 low/high beam.

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Old 09-21-2005, 06:25 PM   #54
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I ordered the whole set up today.

APC harness
Hella lights
And a set of H4 bulbs having a 55/100 low/high beam.

Just one set?, the fleets gonna be jelous
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Old 09-21-2005, 06:32 PM   #55
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I ordered the whole set up today.

APC harness
Hella lights
And a set of H4 bulbs having a 55/100 low/high beam.
Where did you get them? Summit?
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Old 09-21-2005, 06:47 PM   #56
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Where did you get them? Summit?
Yes, summit.
I looked for the part numbers but I think I deleted the e-mail they sent me, sorry.

I had to look under 'headlights' on their search function.

Total with shipping was like $140.00

2 headights @ 55/65
1 harness with relays
2 additional bulbs @ 55/100
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Old 09-21-2005, 09:19 PM   #57
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http://store.summitracing.com/partde...sp?part=108995

I received this in the mail today. Has anyone installed this kit? At first glance it looks like there are connectors to cut off and some splicing to do.
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Old 09-24-2005, 03:46 AM   #58
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The Hella E-code H4 halogen lights and lens assys are arguably the best halogen upgrade. Hella E-code H4 lenses are NOT DOT legal, though. Sold as "off-road use only." I found a site that explains why better than I have here in the past:
http://www.garbee.net/~cabell/headlights.htm

Click on pic #6 and you'll go to the best pic of the H4 lens that I've found:
http://www.garbee.net/~cabell/decemb...t/DSCN1361.JPG

Hella's E-code H4 lenses are not simply H4 bulbs in lame (by comparison) DOT legal lenses that most every other headlight maker markets. As you can see in the second link, the E-code H4 lens assys have "H4" cast into the glass lens right smack in the middle of the lens. That cast-in "H4" is the proof you're looking for to go E-code (European) lenses in the Hella brand. I don't know if other brands offer the same E-code lens pattern with or without the "H4" cast in the lenses.

As the first link's author claims, the E-code (European) beam pattern is sharper with a superior pattern than Hella Vision Plus lenses or other DOT legal lenses, IMO. The comment in the first link that other drivers are not bothered by the E-code low-beam lens pattern despite the H4 bulb brightness is what I've also found to be true with my Hella E-code H4 lenses and H4 bulbs (60/55w). They are flat lenses, as well, which makes for a cleaner look on our trucks. The flat lenses look better on IHCs and Land Cruisers, too (I've moved them around as I've changed daily drivers amongst my "fleet" ).

I bought my 7" H4s back in the '90s after reading about them in a 4x4 mag. I still have Hella's original packaging that I keep old sealed beams in for protection. I don't know if the package info is still valid, but here goes anyway for Hella E-code H4 lens assys (with H4 bulbs):

Hella Halogen Headlight Conversion Kit
H4 7"
High beam/Low beam
Order No. 70476 (Hella Part No. 1A6 002 395-991)
Includes an H4 12v 60/55w bulb.

In the middle of making this post, I decided to do some research. Looks like Susquehanna Motorsports (rallylights.com) sells the E-code H4 conversion kits (marked as for "off-road use only"). Also note that one can order the conversion kit with a higher rated bulb than I have:
http://www.rallylights.com/hella/headlamps.asp
7" Conversion kit:
http://www.rallylights.com/hella/7in.asp
Enlarged pic that shows the "H4" cast into the lens:
http://www.rallylights.com/hella/hel...ages/7%20E.jpg

GMC 4-headlight page:
http://www.rallylights.com/hella/5.75_lo.asp

Ha! As I was perusing Susquehanna's E-code page, I noticed that they provided a link to a page that explains everything about why the Europeans have headlight design right:
http://www.rallylights.com/useful_info/Vision_Plus.htm

With that info, consider whether you want to upgrade your truck's electricals to send full power to strong H4 bulbs unfortunately stuck behind DOT legal lenses with their inherent limitations. With just relays and H4 bulbs, you might actually offend other drivers from the extra brightness sent through inferior DOT beam pattens that have side and overhead diffusion requirements that E-code lenses lack. As Susquehanna explained, due to the DOT-mandated superfluous diffusion requirements, you won't have as much light on the road, either. Of course, you might miss some unlit, overhead signs. Just some expensive food for thought...

Made in Germany. One overseas product worth procuring, IMO. Enjoy
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Turned out those ARE for the HID bullbs.

No biggie, after I saw the 2nd post I wanna go with the Hellas anyway.
I'll just order the wiring set up at the same time.
Thanks for the links.
No, the one I linked is for the Hella lights, I am using. It's sitting on my work bench right now.
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Old 09-24-2005, 09:10 AM   #60
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No, the one I linked is for the Hella lights, I am using. It's sitting on my work bench right now.
Your first link is to 9005/9006 bulbs not the H4's.
I ordered right off the link cause I was being lazy and didn't look around, my bad.

But, yes I was mistaken about the 'HID' part, time to go edit.
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Your first link is to 9005/9006 bulbs not the H4's.
I ordered right off the link cause I was being lazy and didn't look around, my bad.

But, yes I was mistaken about the 'HID' part, time to go edit.
You can get the parts here to fix it .http://www.comagination.com/parts.htm
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Your first link is to 9005/9006 bulbs not the H4's.
I ordered right off the link cause I was being lazy and didn't look around, my bad.

But, yes I was mistaken about the 'HID' part, time to go edit.
Right, the Hella light housings I have use a 9005 (#HL83510)bulb with a different reflector. Same bulbs I use in my Ram and Dakota...

100W!

I will modify the rest of the harness to work.

Thank you for pointing that out.

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On the Harness for the 9005 Hi beam and 9006 Lo beam there is a Gray socket and a Black socket which takes the 9005 and the 9006 ?
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I received this in the mail today. Has anyone installed this kit? At first glance it looks like there are connectors to cut off and some splicing to do.
Yes, I have. I am sorry about that, I should have specified that I am NOT using stock headlights.

AFAIK, you can use the stock connectors from your truck with a common ground on that harness and still be ahead, price wise.
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On the Harness for the 9005 Hi beam and 9006 Lo beam there is a Gray socket and a Black socket which takes the 9005 and the 9006 ?
blue is 9006
black is 9005
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blue is 9006
black is 9005
Thanks now the splicing begins
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You can get the parts here to fix it .http://www.comagination.com/parts.htm
Thanks but I already ordered and received my new set up.

Upgrade wire kit - part # AMC-509102 for use with a two bulb H4 set up
Head lamp replacement (Hellas) part # HLA-70477
55 watt low/100 watt high beam bulbs part # HLA-78158

Ordered it all from Summit.
Received it two days.
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Old 09-24-2005, 01:59 PM   #68
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Sorry I haven't responded until now. I'll look at my pigtails b/c I think you can take them out and install larger size wire. I'll let you know when I find out.
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Upgrade wire kit - part # AMC-509102 for use with a two bulb H4 set up
Head lamp replacement (Hellas) part # HLA-70477
55 watt low/100 watt high beam bulbs part # HLA-78158

Okay, I've installed and tested the above headlight upgrade parts.

Very easy/simple installation, total plug and play set up.
Having the 55watt low beam nobody flashed me driving through town and on the back roads the 100watt high beam was awesome.
Really nice light pattern, both high and low.

Cost was under $140 shipped.
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Cost was under $140 shipped.

From where again, I must have missed that, and you really like it
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Old 09-25-2005, 08:04 AM   #71
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From where again, I must have missed that, and you really like it

Couple posts back bud. Ordered everything from Summit.

Yes, I like the entire set up.
Simple installation
All plug in applications, only need to ground the two headlight wires
Good lighting pattern from the Hellas
Very bright when you kick in those illegal 100 watters too

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Old 09-25-2005, 08:45 AM   #72
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I got the plugs and relays and tied everything in for $18.00 to run my regular Halogen lights. That's all I needed and works great. I guess if you want the fancy lights, go for it, and the big bucks. To each his own, but are neat setups. Keep in mine that some state laws prohibit certain kinds of lighting though. Like in Maryland here, blue lights are outlawed unless came with certain newer cars.....Would be a real b*tch to put all that money into that project, just to get pulled over buy the man. Just my 2 cents worth......
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Hey mods / admins ... can we copy this post over to the "FAQ / How To" section ... this is great information!

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I agree very nice mod for our trucks looks like I will have to put it on my list of things to do..
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aquik72gmc350, thanks for replying. I would be very interested in the gauge of the wire.
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