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Re: 1952 3/4 Ton Rebuild
Dude, you got your self a 3800 1 ton. the back brakes differ from a 3/4 ton. I think the front of the frame and front spring are different as well. the rear portion of a 3800 frame is flat on top and does not raise up above the rear axle.
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I don't want to sound like a "what it's worth" ad, but once I do switch out my axle, is it worth trying to trade at a swapmeet/sell on craigslist? Or should I just take it to the scrappers? I can't imagine such an old, HUGE axle being worth much. |
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Ha ha thanks,
Yeah, I had my suspicions a couple weeks ago, but I didn't want to mention it, because I didn't want to be misleading. My first clue was the straight frame, second was the foot e brake as opposed to the hand brake, and the 8 lug wheels/full floating axle Plus it looks like it holds a 9ft bed. But when its all said and done, who can tell the difference? Last edited by mechanixman; 03-31-2013 at 12:55 AM. |
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Looking at your existing runningboards, if the look like they were cut off after they left the factory you mave have had a box on the back. If they appear to have short running boards, I would say that the truck left the assembly line bare and then a flat bed may have been installed. If you run the ident tag number you will be able to tell what you have. Last edited by coralhead; 03-31-2013 at 09:14 AM. Reason: added info |
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Re: 1952 3/4 Ton Rebuild
They're short running boards.
I read somewhere that either 51 or 52 1 ton and up trucks started having foot brakes. 3/4 ton the next year joined in. Can you tell me anything about the bumper mounts? When I look through parts catalouges and such, I never see, to find the same style bracket. |
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Re: 1952 3/4 Ton Rebuild
Are you asking about front bumper mounts? If so, they're much different than the 1/2 ton ones. Those cast pieces on the frame horns bolt to a 3/8" thick bar that then mounts to the bumper. I believe 3800's didn't have a rear bumper, the farmers who bought them put a bumper specific to their needs on them.
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I know this is going against what I feel but with all the changes that you are possibly looking at doing you may be better off doing an s10 swap. It may be a bit more work but finding parts for a 1 ton may be more expensive than finding a junked donor s-10. More people on this site have a lot more info on this type of path.
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What parts would you be talking about? I like the idea of staying with the same frame, because 1 it's massive. I think it'll be a lot stronger than an s10 frame. especially when I box it. 2 it's a straight frame. So I don't need to worry about about where the rear axle correlates to the frame. If I need to move it forward an inch or two,I can do that without any real consequences. And it makes it easier to install a bed. (at least I think, correct me if I'm wrong) I believe the bed mounts will be all the same. Again, not needing to worry about the "humps" in the frame to clear the axle. Why would it be more expensive? As far as I can tell, almost everything is interchangeable with 3/4 ton parts, which don't seem to be too pricey. I don't want to sound rude, I just don't understand the cons of the 1 ton frame. Thanks |
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I just bought a '52 3800 with a nine foot bed and my truck has a hand emergency brake. I personally think it is just cooler to stay with the original frame but, just my opinion.
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![]() I was looking at the running boards, and at first glance, they seem to be factory, but I was looking at the end, and it seems like they cut the running board. I'll post pics tomorrow |
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I recall somewhere on the internet a site that can give you the old frame dimensions for these old trucks. (Stovebolt is a good source for 1 tonners) I myself thought about putting in a different rear in my '50 3600 but after you go there changes start to snowball. |
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Here is some of that info
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For now, I just want to get her running and driving, and slowly accumulate parts.
Eventually, my goal is to drop in a 327, a t-56 trans, and a 3.73 posi rear end. Ladder bar suspension. Replace the single master cylinder with a dual, and Disc brakes on all four corners. I believe everything else is aesthetic. Right now, my goals are to just replace the master cylinder, make sure the lines aren't rusted out/safe enough to use. Service the brakes get the original drivetrain working Once I have those goals completed, I'll drive it for a few months (probably closer to a year), while saving the money for the expensive components like the new trans. Then when I have the all the parts minus the driveshaft, I'll install it all in the truck |
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I thought it was time for some pictures.
- The rusted through panels may seem bad, but it's the only serious rust on the whole truck. The next wort piece is about a 1/4 the size of a dime on one of the cab corners. - I thought it was kind of funny that someone earlier on put on some bed protector stuff. I peeled it away, and you can see the original color right next to the rusted area that didn't have any.(I thought it was kinda cool) - Is this the way the shortened running boards came from the factory? Or did someone chop it down to length, and fold over to make an even corner |
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And I pulled all the dash pieces out.
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On my '59 how do I cut out Rusty metal ?
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Well there are several ways to do it, and you can use anything from a jigsaw, to a grinder, to a plasma cutter.
To take those out, I'll be using a nibbler. It's kind of like a hole punch for paper, except it's made to cut out sheet metal. Something like that http://www.harborfreight.com/16-gaug...ler-96661.html |
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Oh alright thanks for the Advice man
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No problem!
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TO cut out rust you use tht tool and then put the sheet metal over and weld and grind it down right ?
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Yeah, I'm thinking about getting a patch panel and just using that instead of plain sheet metal, but yeah that's the idea
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Oh alright looks like im going to have a fun time
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Are your plans to shorten the frame too? That was my original intent but the more I am researching I am finding that a 3800 with a 9' bed in good shape is very rare and valuable so I don't think I want to do that any more. Do you know how rare these trucks are?
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So far, I've been considering: - Lengthen the bed, so it fits the frame - Shorten the frame so it fits the bed - make a tool box that fits between the bed and the cab to take up the space on the frame. I don't know quite how rare they are. I know they are significantly more rare than 3600's especially more than 3100's but I don't know if they're valuable enough to keep stock. If I knew someone was restoring one, and needed a 3800 frame, I'd sell it to them instead of shortening it. But 3100 frames in this area take months to sell, and sell way under price at that. A 3800 frame, i suspect, would be significantly harder to sell. Then once I do that, I'd have to find another frame I like to put the truck on. So far, I'm leaning towards sticking with this frame. |
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To me therunning boards look short from the factory. A nice folded over end. That rust bring back memories of not long ago.
Before ![]() After ![]() Go with the patch panels on the floor, kickpanels and the outside cowels. Buy a spotweld cutter while you are at it. |
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