1977 Chevy C10 known as SharkBite

[77ChevySharkBite]

Originally Posted by knomadd

Here's what I'd plan on using. Check out the instructions for this throttle cable. It shows the bracket with the kick down connection. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lo...a/instructions

Keep in mind that this only works with the lokar throttle and kick down cables, not OEM.

That's sharp definitely going to look waaaaaay better.

[knomadd]

I've got it...

You can make a bracket that mounts to the back side of the throttle lever at the transmission kick down stud. Similar to the small bracket (flat piece) in this picture. The large hole is for the kick down stud and the small hole would be for the spring. I'm sure you could use all kinds of things to accomplish the same task. It just needs to be strong enough not to bend or tare out from spring tension.

[77ChevySharkBite]

You Duane, are an absolute genius!

That sounds just about right. Well correct me if I wrong, but instead of having like that big bulky side piece if you just fabbed up something like the top half and then just drilled a hole in the correct spot that could work too huh?

[knomadd]

I'm not sure I'm following you. Please explain... maybe I've used up all my genius for the day

[77ChevySharkBite]

instead of say using that whole piece right there, just use what you need and trim the rest that make sense?

And since you would be using the hole given where the kick down would go just drill another hole big enough to put the kick down cable through but put it lower than the original one.

Obviously you would need a spot to put the return spring so then just take a drill put a small hole for your return spring then bam! Done!

Does any of that make sense or am I trying to think like a genius just not one?

[knomadd]

Are you thinking about adding a small hole to the throttle lever on the carb? That could work if it's in a good spot to give the spring some leverage. If you're thinking about moving the trans kick down further down, you'd be adding more to the throttle lever... same concept with the little eyelet idea for the return spring... If i'm understanding you correctly. This is why I like pictures Hard to explain in words.

If you're talking about the throttle cable bracket in the picture I posted, I'm wondering if you're seeing it correctly. The oblong hole at the top of the pic is to mount the bracket to the carb. The 3 holes in-line with each other are for the throttle cable (largest hole) a bolt hole for another trans kick-down bracket (middle hole-kick down bracket not shown) and the return spring hole (bottom hole).

EDIT: oh, and this bracket is for the lokar style throttle cable. Not sure how you'd mount a factory throttle cable to this.

[77ChevySharkBite]

Originally Posted by knomadd

Are you thinking about adding a small hole to the throttle lever on the carb? That could work if it's in a good spot to give the spring some leverage. If you're thinking about moving the trans kick down further down, you'd be adding more to the throttle lever... same concept with the little eyelet idea for the return spring... If i'm understanding you correctly. This is why I like pictures Hard to explain in words.

If you're talking about the throttle cable bracket in the picture I posted, I'm wondering if you're seeing it correctly. The oblong hole at the top of the pic is to mount the bracket to the carb. The 3 holes in-line with each other are for the throttle cable (largest hole) a bolt hole for another trans kick-down bracket (middle hole-kick down bracket not shown) and the return spring hole (bottom hole).

EDIT: oh, and this bracket is for the lokar style throttle cable. Not sure how you'd mount a factory throttle cable to this.

failed attempt at being a genius

Yeah I don't think I understand your picture right, I was thinking that screw with the bolt would go into the existing hole of the kick down cable, and the other were holes for misc items that's why I was thinking you could fab up something using mostly stock components or using the components that already came on the edelbrock carb. I wonder though if I could actually fab up something like I just mentioned in the sentence before this one, what you think?

[knomadd]

You can always try. If it works, great... if not, continue on the path you're on... new bracket and/or cable. No harm in trying.

EDIT: that screw you were looking at is supposed to help keep the bracket from rotating on the carb stud, since that's the only location it mounts to the engine.

[77ChevySharkBite]

Cool well looks like I get to learn how to weld then this will be fun

I think I'm going to try and take the Lokar's idea but of course improvise it a little bit so we shall see how things turn out.

Thanks for all the help today Duane! You rock bro!

[knomadd]

Here's the spectre bracket at advance for $15. Might be hard to make one for less. Considering your time and materials, welding etc. Just an idea.
Spectre Bracket The website says it has to be ordered online though.

And a Mr. Gasket bracket at Oreilly's for $20. Mr. Gasket Bracket My local store has this in stock.

[77ChevySharkBite]

Originally Posted by knomadd

Here's the spectre bracket at advance for $15. Might be hard to make one for less. Considering your time and materials, welding etc. Just an idea.
Spectre Bracket The website says it has to be ordered online though.

And a Mr. Gasket bracket at Oreilly's for $20. Mr. Gasket Bracket My local store has this in stock.

Were not seeing eye to eye on that

For the throttle cable bracket that's what I'm actually going to buy, what I'm going to try and attempt to make is a custom kick down/return spring bracket to have the return spring at the back instead of the front that does that make sense?

[knomadd]

Originally Posted by 77ChevySharkBite

Were not seeing eye to eye on that

For the throttle cable bracket that's what I'm actually going to buy, what I'm going to try and attempt to make is a custom kick down/return spring bracket to have the return spring at the back instead of the front that does that make sense?

Maybe one of us is missing something. Could very well be me since I'm out of genius today.

Both of the brackets at advance and oreilly's have the kick down bracket already. OH OH OH!!! It just clicked... you're talking about the mounting point on the throttle lever attached to the carb, right? What does your connector on the end of your kick down cable look like?

[77ChevySharkBite]

Originally Posted by knomadd

Maybe one of us is missing something. Could very well be me since I'm out of genius today.

Both of the brackets at advance and oreilly's have the kick down bracket already. OH OH OH!!! It just clicked... you're talking about the mounting point on the throttle lever attached to the carb, right? What does your connector on the end of your kick down cable look like?

uh oh!! were onto something now

Because my genius ran out last night we'll use your picture from above as reference the piece I'm talking about is where your kick down cable is, so yes I'm talking about the mounting point, and my my kick down cable looks identical to yours. let me see if I can find a picture of it.

[knomadd]

Let me suggest, if you're going to attempt to make your own bracket, try to put your idea on a piece of card stock, or poster board or something like that so it has a bit of rigidity but still easy to fold and cut. Cardboard will work, but use a cereal box or something, not a shipping box.

figure out where you want your bends and how you want it shaped, mark your bends and holes in ink, then flatten it out and trace it on a piece of metal (steel, aluminum, stainless, whatever you want) and bend it where you put your marks on the cardboard. Drill your holes, and mount it. Much easier than trying to weld everything together.

[77ChevySharkBite]

Originally Posted by knomadd

Let me suggest, if you're going to attempt to make your own bracket, try to put your idea on a piece of card stock, or poster board or something like that so it has a bit of rigidity but still easy to fold and cut. Cardboard will work, but use a cereal box or something, not a shipping box.

figure out where you want your bends and how you want it shaped, mark your bends and holes in ink, then flatten it out and trace it on a piece of metal (steel, aluminum, stainless, whatever you want) and bend it where you put your marks on the cardboard. Drill your holes, and mount it. Much easier than trying to weld everything together.

Oh yeah I watch plenty of people mark there cuts and brackets where a bend should be so I'm going to make sure if I fab something up I'm going to do it right the first time.

[77ChevySharkBite]

Here's the best picture I can get of how the stock set up was. The 2nd on might be better though there's a little interference from the Air Cleaner looks to be a better picture.

[knomadd]

did you ever figure out how you were going to attach either one to your carb? are they bolted to the quadrajet? It looks like it but I'm not for sure. And I'm guessing the stock bracket isn't wide enough for the edelbrock. Is that true?

[77ChevySharkBite]

Yeah the throttle linkage was bolted down with like a clip, but with the new one it's just bolted down. The kick down was held with a bolt too but the way I can use it on the new one is just a screw just a little bit longer and tighten I'll be fine. Everything is simple and done for the most part my biggest "hump" was trying to figure out the throttle cable "bind" it might be hard to see but the best picture is the 2nd one look towards the firewall you can see the cable kind of do like a little hump when I tried using the stock bracket and new intake it just binded it more because like we talked earlier it's 1" further back than the q-jet/intake manifold was.

the stock bracket works but like we talked with it being further back it kind of "crunches/binds" up the throttle linkage coming from the firewall it'll work. I mean I could always try to trim off some more of the throttle cable bracket try to push it up some maybe make up that 1" difference could work that way but I'm unsure.

[knomadd]

I see. You've got more length than I do. I don't think there's any adjustment in the factory throttle cable to shorten it. If the mount point is back an inch, you'll probably want to go ahead and get a new bracket like we've been talking about. That might solve your problem all together. Edelbrock makes a mount part #8036, search for some pics to see how it looks when it's assembled. It looks like it moves your cables near the valve cover, which might fix the binding problem by putting more of an "s" in it compared to now.

[77ChevySharkBite]

Originally Posted by knomadd

I see. You've got more length than I do. I don't think there's any adjustment in the factory throttle cable to shorten it. If the mount point is back an inch, you'll probably want to go ahead and get a new bracket like we've been talking about. That might solve your problem all together. Edelbrock makes a mount part #8036, search for some pics to see how it looks when it's assembled. It looks like it moves your cables near the valve cover, which might fix the binding problem by putting more of an "s" in it compared to now.

Yeah I'm looking at it now, it looks kind of goofy honestly

Here's the link at jegs.com that show it together but I just don't see how it could benefit the throttle cause in the description it says about cruise and kick down bracket. I think I'm going to attempt to get a throttle bracket like we've been talking and see if that solves it. Like you said there's no way to physically shorter the linkage without buying a new one or coming up with something.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Edelbrock/350/8036/10002/-1

[77ChevySharkBite]

Check this out Duane, looks like somone used it but on a camaro so not sure if I would be able to use it cause I still have to have clearance for my brake booster pipe and stuff that plugs into the back of the carb.

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159867

[knomadd]

Either bracket you use should be fine for the vacuum line from the back of the carb to the booster. You might need a new vacuum hose to get around the bracket if it currently runs through the space the bracket would occupy, but otherwise it shouldn't be a problem. It's up to you which one you want to use. It looks like mine is like the Mr. Gasket part found at Oreilly's, so there isn't a return spring mounting location on it. you could bend a piece of metal to accept the spring and bolt your fabbed spring bracket in one of the threaded holes in the back drivers side of the intake manifold. You'll just need to figure out how to connect the spring to the carb (eyelet we talked about earlier).

[77ChevySharkBite]

Thanks for all the help today Duane, I can't say thank you enough! I think I'm going to try your bracket and go from there and see what I can do about getting the spring set up correctly.

I'll keep everyone posted.

[knomadd]

Do you realize we went through 2 pages today? I hope after all of that you find something that works. Good luck!

[77ChevySharkBite]

Yeah if I don't find nothing that works that's 2 pages of nothing but talking

I imagine that when I go get that throttle bracket like yours it's going to solve everything and I'll just have to figure out how to run the spring, so until then I will probably go buy the part this weekend and see about getting it working and getting that baby cranked over!