1966 C10 Project Truck

[forestb]

Won't the inside of that tubing rust?

Originally Posted by scoot_mcgrute

Thanks man! I put the engine at TDC and then the distributor close to what I remembered seeing so you may be right on the timing. I still need to get a couple things done before I can run the engine long term to check the timing and such.



Thanks! Being single does have it's benefits sometimes

[scoot_mcgrute]

Originally Posted by forestb

Won't the inside of that tubing rust?

Yep, it will rust. The water pump and engine block will rust also.

[TJ's Chevy]

Keep Antifreeze in there and that will help prevent rust.

[scoot_mcgrute]

The throwout bearing was wrong as I had thought. The Astro Van TO bearing is plastic and I kind of marred it up a bit so we went and got one for a pickup that is all metal. Got it on and between dad, me, and the tranny jack we were struggling to get the tranny back in. I'm a little burned out to say the least so I decided to stop fighting it and come back to it next week. I've got a Jeep Jamboree this weekend so that'll help me get my mind off things and come back to the truck nice and fresh

[scoot_mcgrute]

Alright, had an awesome weekend with the Jeep Jamboree crew, it's truly one of my favorite events that I get to help out with. The participants make it awesome and I can't wait until next year!

I tinkered with the truck last night and ended up getting the tranny back in, it was a bit of a chore at first but I was able to get the angle of the tranny close to the motor and it basically slid right in. I was super stoked!

The reason why I had to drop the tranny in the first place. That spring clip is supposed to be on the other side of the throwout bearing, doh!


And it's back in!


If my buddy doesn't work on the fenders tonight, I'll be getting the driveline put back in and work on the modifications I need to do to get the alternator on. Once that's done, I need to work on the bed and get it back on while transferring some of the wiring over from the front clip just in case I'm far enough along to take it to the show on Saturday

[scoot_mcgrute]

Here's a shot of my Jeep from the weekend. The local 4H club was washing the Jeeps, we had over 100 between participants and trail guides, as a fundraiser so they could go see the presidential inauguration. I kept it pretty clean on Friday but told them I'd bring it back even dirtier on Saturday. They definitely earned their money from me Picture stolen from my work's Facebook page.

[scoot_mcgrute]

Tinkered on it again last night and got the alternator and power steering pumps mounted. Had a buddy come over to see if the clutch is releasing and it still isn't. Another buddy gave me the part number for a longer throwout bearing so I'm going to look into that during lunch today. Not looking forward to pulling the tranny again but if it'll solve the issue, it's worth it.

Turnbuckle for the power steering pump belt


Alternator and power steering pump on with an alternator belt even

[TJ's Chevy]

Cool! I'd give LugNutz65 a shout about that tranny problem. He knows a lot about t5's.

[scoot_mcgrute]

Originally Posted by TJ's Chevy

Cool! I'd give LugNutz65 a shout about that tranny problem. He knows a lot about t5's.

Will do, thanks!

[scoot_mcgrute]

After talking with a buddy today, the thought is that the pivot ball isn't in the correct location in relation to the face of the bellhousing. I'm not sure that I'll be picking the longer throwout bearing up until I can get the tranny out, again, and measure stuff. At least I'll be really good at dropping the tranny on this thing

[tune_1]

I don't know if you have tried this but one way to remove and replace the transmission and make it easier to do is to buy two bolts that are about 4-5 inches long. Cut the heads off, and place them in the block so that you can use them as sliders to slide the transmission in straight. After it is in place and the other bolts in place then put the original bolts back in one at a time. It makes it easier especially if doing it by yourself.

Dwight

[scoot_mcgrute]

My buddy and I checked some things out on the old pickup last night hoping to solve the problem without dropping the tranny. We didn't come up with anything except a list of what it's not and what it could be.

Here's what it's not:

It's not air in the system
It's not a clutch fork throw problem
It's not a fork geometry problem

Here's what it could be:

It could be the input bearing retainer bottoming out on the clutch disc
It could be the input sticking on the crank (doubtful but not ruling it out)
It could be the input shaft bottoming out on the pilot bushing.
It could be something in the tranny
It could be something with the clutch itself

Looks like instead of enjoying the truck at the show tomorrow, I'll be tinkering with the tranny and trying to figure out what's going on. Oh well, that's hot rodding

[scoot_mcgrute]

Update from the weekend. I dropped the tranny down Friday night to take some measurements and everything seemed to have plenty of clearance, until I measured the length of the input and compared it to the dimension from bottomed out on the crank to the bellhousing. I had a bunch of interference there. I put the tranny in my vise and chopped about 1/4" off the end of the input shaft. When we went to stab it back in, we kept hitting a hard stop and no matter what, we couldn't get it to slide in. What had happened was after the tranny came out, I put the clutch alignment tool in the clutch and had dad push the clutch pedal, the clutch released and I must have pulled the alignment tool out a little too soon and the clutch disc dropped down so the hard stop that we were feeling was the pilot bushing.

Last night, I put the new pilot bushing in place and got the clutch and bellhousing on the motor. Tonight, the tranny will go back on and hopefully work like it's supposed to. Fingers crossed!





New throwout bearing, it'll get rid of the free play in the pedal.


Gotta love backwards progress!


The awesome pilot bushing

[TJ's Chevy]

Fingers Crossed!

[scoot_mcgrute]

I made some good progress last night on the transmission front. I put it all back together and the tranny was still bound up, slid it back on the bolts and everything worked like it should so we pulled it down and I cut another 1/8" or so off the input and put it back in place. This time, it seems that I didn't have the pilot bushing in as far so the splines were hitting it but it was almost working properly! I ended up screwing that bushing up too so today I will make an install tool and try again Thursday night.

While bummed, I'm still making forward progress so that's what counts

[scoot_mcgrute]

I did just order everything I need for the power steering hoses. All I'll need is a belt and that system will be done

[TJ's Chevy]

Progress is always a good thing.

[scoot_mcgrute]

Been busy with other things the last few nights, a buddy at work decided to break his leg a couple weeks ago so work has been busier and I've been helping them out outside work whenever I can. I also got AC installed in the house yesterday too, this summer is going to be so nice!

Tonight, I plan on getting back to the truck so I can swap the pilot bushing out. I decided to make myself an install tool on lunch the other day. Should work well and hopefully end my days of munching pilot bushings



I should get some good truck time this weekend again, hopefully I get to work on something other than the transmission!

[padresag]

is the shaft the right size also for the clutch disc? then you would also have your line up shaft
ron

[scoot_mcgrute]

Originally Posted by padresag

is the shaft the right size also for the clutch disc? then you would also have your line up shaft
ron

If I'm reading your comment right, yep, the shaft is the right size for the clutch disc. It slides right in to that luckily

What I think the issue has been is most of the guys add a spacer between the transmission and bellhousing, I originally thought it was an adapter but after playing with my setup, it appears that it's a spacer. This spacer keeps the input shaft out of the crank and the pilot bushing and unfortunately isn't a route that I want to pursue at this time due to not wanting to re-do the driveline again. The next time it will get modified is when the truck has a V8 and a 6 speed

I guess it all boils down to learning lessons the hard way but hopefully I will have valid input for others doing the same thing

[padresag]

Originally Posted by scoot_mcgrute

If I'm reading your comment right, yep, the shaft is the right size for the clutch disc. It slides right in to that luckily

What I think the issue has been is most of the guys add a spacer between the transmission and bellhousing, I originally thought it was an adapter but after playing with my setup, it appears that it's a spacer. This spacer keeps the input shaft out of the crank and the pilot bushing and unfortunately isn't a route that I want to pursue at this time due to not wanting to re-do the driveline again. The next time it will get modified is when the truck has a V8 and a 6 speed

I guess it all boils down to learning lessons the hard way but hopefully I will have valid input for others doing the same thing

the spacer or adaptor is so that you do not have to cut off the end of the pilot shaft and a couple of other mods. it is essential that the pilot shaft is supported by a bearing or bushing
ron

[scoot_mcgrute]

Pretty sure I have this tranny problem licked. It appears that I had 2 issues with the input shaft. The first was that it was too long and it was hitting the crank. The 2nd appeared today and that is the clutch disc was bottoming out on the backside of the splines which was also binding things up. I'll make a spacer on Monday and hopefully have this thing figured out soon. The spacer will go between the tranny and bellhousing so I will have to modify my crossmember a bit and also will need to remeasure for the driveline and get it shortened. Oh well at least I have it figured out!

For a father's day surprise, I had dad's new wheels powder coated white and even got to get his new tires mounted and on the truck this morning. I can't wait to see his reaction when he gets home tomorrow!

[62stepside longbox]

Instead of making a spacer plate couldn't you just shorten your bearing retainer? That is what I did with mine

[scoot_mcgrute]

It's not the bearing retainer, I chopped quite a bit off that as well. Where the splines end and you can see the ramp up from the tool that cut the splines is where I'm bottoming out. This picture may help explain a little better.

[62stepside longbox]

Hhmm.. I didn't have that problem and I have no spacer plate. It must be that I am running a jeep 10 spline input shaft. Hopefully you didn't cut too much off the pilot tip now that your going to use a spacer