1972 Chevy 4wd Longhorn Project: Never Ending Changes

[Mattman2010]

Yeah aggressive tires would probably help, but your ramps are heavily made and that is a lot of weight to get to bounce up on them.

[Dieselwrencher]

LMFAO! No need to hack the fire wall unless I was going to move the engine back 6". Yours will probably be heavier on the front than mine because your frame is boxed clear up.

[woodwright]

Is there more seat pics? Hows the fit? I've got a 90 chevy seat in mine. I like the height, and the back is pretty slim so it has a little more leg room than a stock seat. It just seems a little narrow. The dodge ones are a little more comfortable, and I think they're wider.

[Dieselwrencher]

Originally Posted by woodwright

Is there more seat pics? Hows the fit? I've got a 90 chevy seat in mine. I like the height, and the back is pretty slim so it has a little more leg room than a stock seat. It just seems a little narrow. The dodge ones are a little more comfortable, and I think they're wider.

I'd like to redo my mounts some time and lower the seat some. It sets a little higher than I'd like, but that is another day's project. I can try to find some other pics of it.

[wutnxt]

Dudeeeeee

Man it's all together and your driving it thats awesome....congrats. It looks great and i bet it even drives better then it looks.

I came here today to tell you how much trouble your in now and frankly now i feel bad...lol. I think I am now the owner of a 12 valve set up thats going to be in my next project and thats all thanks to you buddy. I am getting ready to put together a tow rig thats cool enough to haul my junk and fit it......have a free turbo and pump and injectors kicking around for a poor canadain getting ready to build his first shaker project ?...lol Your a bad influence ....

[6lcummins]

Originally Posted by wutnxt

Dudeeeeee

Man it's all together and your driving it thats awesome....congrats. It looks great and i bet it even drives better then it looks.

I came here today to tell you how much trouble your in now and frankly now i feel bad...lol. I think I am now the owner of a 12 valve set up thats going to be in my next project and thats all thanks to you buddy. I am getting ready to put together a tow rig thats cool enough to haul my junk and fit it......have a free turbo and pump and injectors kicking around for a poor canadain getting ready to build his first shaker project ?...lol Your a bad influence ....

Free trubo, IP, and squirters, but there may be some handling fees involved. Congrats on your first step to the dark side.

[wutnxt]

Originally Posted by 6lcummins

Free trubo, IP, and squirters, but there may be some handling fees involved. Congrats on your first step to the dark side.

Well I can't let you guy's have all the fun now can I........Hey I am open to all the help I can get...I have been to the darkside before just not to this chapter lol

[6lcummins]

Originally Posted by wutnxt

Well I can't let you guy's have all the fun now can I........Hey I am open to all the help I can get...I have been to the darkside before just not to this chapter lol

It's a slippery slope, I know I started out with a 160HP VE and now I have my DD.

[Dieselwrencher]

Originally Posted by wutnxt

Dudeeeeee

Man it's all together and your driving it thats awesome....congrats. It looks great and i bet it even drives better then it looks.

I came here today to tell you how much trouble your in now and frankly now i feel bad...lol. I think I am now the owner of a 12 valve set up thats going to be in my next project and thats all thanks to you buddy. I am getting ready to put together a tow rig thats cool enough to haul my junk and fit it......have a free turbo and pump and injectors kicking around for a poor canadain getting ready to build his first shaker project ?...lol Your a bad influence ....

LMAO! You're the bad influence getting me all jazzed up about trying to be a project ho working on 5 or more at once. Did you get the 12v dude?

[wutnxt]

Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

LMAO! You're the bad influence getting me all jazzed up about trying to be a project ho working on 5 or more at once. Did you get the 12v dude?

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It's sitting in a complete truck at my buddies place....I just have to pick it up....unless you have a better idea....I think i even bought another truck body to squeeze everything into ....and another chassis to drop it onto. I don't even know anymore how many projects I have anymore....but i do know that I have 4 pretty much done....2 not far off of finished....a field full of parts....and 3 friends builds to finish....so whats one more project right?

[Dieselwrencher]

Originally Posted by wutnxt

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It's sitting in a complete truck at my buddies place....I just have to pick it up....unless you have a better idea....I think i even bought another truck body to squeeze everything into ....and another chassis to drop it onto. I don't even know anymore how many projects I have anymore....but i do know that I have 4 pretty much done....2 not far off of finished....a field full of parts....and 3 friends builds to finish....so whats one more project right?

That's right.

[Dieselwrencher]

Here are some other pics of the seat.




Here are some of the mounts I made up.

[mosesburb]

Wow, I spend a couple weeks away from the computer and you go and finish this thing enough to drive it. Looks good. Maybe I should try the same trick with that other Ryan guy?? So, how does it ride with those small rear bags??

[Dieselwrencher]

Originally Posted by mosesburb

Wow, I spend a couple weeks away from the computer and you go and finish this thing enough to drive it. Looks good. Maybe I should try the same trick with that other Ryan guy?? So, how does it ride with those small rear bags??

It rides really nice considering what it is. It does burn outs smooth as silk too. It'll ride way sweet in another 6mo to a year. Haha

[meatwagon83]

Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

Here are some other pics of the seat.

personally i would take the headrests off and see how you like it, i know it would look better and you wouldnt have a rear view window full of headrest

[Dieselwrencher]

Originally Posted by meatwagon83

personally i would take the headrests off and see how you like it, i know it would look better and you wouldnt have a rear view window full of headrest

With the stack there it doesn't really matter. But the head rests didn't bother me much. They actually fit me well.

[6BT 56]

Hi Ryan truck is lookin super! Put some miles on the thing now ! Do you know how or where to measure the caster camber angle on a dana 60 ? Or what it should be ? Is caster camber even the rite term ? Im looking to increase the of angle of the steering axis of the steering kuckle . That make sence ? Move the lower king pin forward . My truck is kida jittery on the road and you are always paying attention when driving it or else ! Toe is at 0 and it has a new stabiliser . Still a 2 hander tho .

[ryanroo]

Originally Posted by 6BT 56

Hi Ryan truck is lookin super! Put some miles on the thing now ! Do you know how or where to measure the caster camber angle on a dana 60 ? Or what it should be ? Is caster camber even the rite term ? Im looking to increase the of angle of the steering axis of the steering kuckle . That make sence ? Move the lower king pin forward . My truck is kida jittery on the road and you are always paying attention when driving it or else ! Toe is at 0 and it has a new stabiliser . Still a 2 hander tho .

Caster and camber are two different alignment angles. camber is predetermined at the factory and is not adjustable.

caster is the angle of an imaginary line drawn through the center of the knuckle steering pivots compared to a line 90* from perfect level as viewed from the side. kingpin 60s seem to like 3-6* of positive caster(leaned towards the back of the vehicle at the top) so the line drawn through the steering pivots when looking at the drivers side is like this /

if it is wandering it probably needs a little more positive caster. and a smidge of toe in. measure the caster with the truck sitting as level as possible and loaded as it would be normally. then measure the angle of the top of the steering knuckle flat where the steering arm or spring cap is. you can usually get a close enough reading off the bolt heads for the spring cap, but using the top of the studs on the arm is sketch because they may not be threaded in the same amount.

[gerfunken]

Originally Posted by ryanroo

Caster and camber are two different alignment angles. camber is predetermined at the factory and is not adjustable.

caster is the angle of an imaginary line drawn through the center of the knuckle steering pivots compared to a line 90* from perfect level as viewed from the side. kingpin 60s seem to like 3-6* of positive caster(leaned towards the back of the vehicle at the top) so the line drawn through the steering pivots when looking at the drivers side is like this /

if it is wandering it probably needs a little more positive caster. and a smidge of toe in. measure the caster with the truck sitting as level as possible and loaded as it would be normally. then measure the angle of the top of the steering knuckle flat where the steering arm or spring cap is. you can usually get a close enough reading off the bolt heads for the spring cap, but using the top of the studs on the arm is sketch because they may not be threaded in the same amount.

Depending on the front end being used, there are some adjustments that may be able to be made on camber/caster. I remember that a number of fords used a bushing with the upper ball joint that allowed you to make some modifications. There are also some shims that you can use to help out for some of the GM components. But, as Ryan states, usually running about 1/16" toe-in will help with some of the wandering issues. You can also find some more information here:

Breaking it down:
Camber really helps with cornering.
Caster helps helps to recenter the wheels after a turn.
Toe-in helps with keeping the vehicle going straight down the road. (Conversely, toe-out really makes the vehicle drift/dart to the right/left as road surfaces change.)

For more information: LINK

[Dieselwrencher]

Originally Posted by hgs_notes

Truck looks great! I'll be down that way end of the month for the Iowa Gas show I think. And working in Iowa Falls. Might have to run down your way and get a better look.

Sounds good. Just PM me and I will get you my cell number. Is the gas show the Gas Pump show at the Holiday Inn on Fleur Drive in Des Moines?

Originally Posted by gerfunken

Depending on the front end being used, there are some adjustments that may be able to be made on camber/caster. I remember that a number of fords used a bushing with the upper ball joint that allowed you to make some modifications. There are also some shims that you can use to help out for some of the GM components. But, as Ryan states, usually running about 1/16" toe-in will help with some of the wandering issues. You can also find some more information here:

Breaking it down:
Camber really helps with cornering.
Caster helps helps to recenter the wheels after a turn.
Toe-in helps with keeping the vehicle going straight down the road. (Conversely, toe-out really makes the vehicle drift/dart to the right/left as road surfaces change.)

For more information: LINK

Those alignment bushings are only on ball joint applications. The only way to add camber in a kingpin axle is to bend it. But the problem with that is once you bend it, it weakens the housing.............

Originally Posted by 6BT 56

Thanks guy's that just the info i needed . Now if it wernt so dam hot then i could actually actually get under it and fix that ! For now I'll just keep driving with 2 hands and dont dare reach for the coffe when road surfaces change . Lol.

Most lift springs have a wedge bolted to it via the center pin and this will change the caster. Ryan is spot on on the 6*. I used to set big lifted trucks to 8 or 10* depending the terrain the truck would be driving on or how it drove. And on wider tires, 1/8" toe in helps.

[6BT 56]

Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

Sounds good. Just PM me and I will get you my cell number. Is the gas show the Gas Pump show at the Holiday Inn on Fleur Drive in Des Moines?



Those alignment bushings are only on ball joint applications. The only way to add camber in a kingpin axle is to bend it. But the problem with that is once you bend it, it weakens the housing.............



Most lift springs have a wedge bolted to it via the center pin and this will change the caster. Ryan is spot on on the 6*. I used to set big lifted trucks to 8 or 10* depending the terrain the truck would be driving on or how it drove. And on wider tires, 1/8" toe in helps.

If i recall the dodge leaf springs sat higher in the front than the rear . the 56 springs are almost flat and mounted to a straight frame to boot . I bet when I bolted the D60 up I lost all my Caster . Thus shopping cart feeling .

[hgs_notes]

Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

Sounds good. Just PM me and I will get you my cell number. Is the gas show the Gas Pump show at the Holiday Inn on Fleur Drive in Des Moines?

That's the one.

http://iowagas.com/about/

Never been before, but looks like there will be a ton of cool gas/auto memorabilia to check out. I'm not a big collector, but I have a few things and looks like a fun swap meet. I think my uncle goes every year, he is a HUGE collector.

[hgs_notes]

Truck looks great! I'll be down that way end of the month for the Iowa Gas show I think. And working in Iowa Falls. Might have to run down your way and get a better look.

[6BT 56]

Thanks guy's that just the info i needed . Now if it wernt so dam hot then i could actually actually get under it and fix that ! For now I'll just keep driving with 2 hands and dont dare reach for the coffe when road surfaces change . Lol.

[ryanroo]

He had to box the rails. thats how all the cool kids were doing it and he wanted to fit in!