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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
Has anyone installed one of these on a squarebody? I know the title shows 63-87 but I called No limit and they said its not for squarebody trucks. I just want to make sure. i was very interested in this unit.
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
what I've seen with the 73 up trucks was that it would not clear the with the 73 up press in bushing lower control arms, but would work with aftermarket or 72 down screw in bushings. I think there was a few pics showing the clearance issue and I also think I read that it would clear the press in bushing after doing the castor mod to the lower control arm shafts
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
I put one of NL kits in an '82. It would not clear with the stock arms with the stock bushings. I switched to the Porterbuilt lower forward arms and had no issues with it after that. Worked out really well and made a huge difference in how the truck drove and handled.
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
Thanks guys for the response. I have some porterbuilt arms already so I will moving forward with this kit.
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
I am running a 5.3 from a 2001 suburban in my 66 C10. I am at a 3.5/5 drop as well as using the control arms from a 64 C10 (so I shouldn't have clearance issues, from what i have read). From my understanding on this thread, the power steering lines i would use are the ones from the 01 suburban and then I would be golden? also since a bunch of you have done this already, what steering shaft and joints did you use. Part numbers would be awesome to just click and buy. Thanks in advance!
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
everything you have wil work together. And, yes, the OE lines from the '01 Suburban will fit nicely.
When it comes to the steering connection, the question of "What column do you have?" comes in. The stock column can work, but it is pretty long, and forces the max steering angle in the top U-Joint. Here are three ways. BEST: Call IDIDIT and order a "Short" column for your truck. Tilt, with-or-without a shifter on the column. This will fit in you OE mounts. Use a Borgeson or Flaming River U-Joint that is 3/4" x 36 spline on one side and 3/4" DD on the other. You will need about 16" of 3/4" DD shaft. Better. Shorten the OE column so that the column outer tube passes through the floor by 1", and the inner steering shaft sticks out 1 1/2" from the tube. This is a LOT of work. see the option above. Good. Use your OE column, but shorten the steering shaft. Cut the steering shaft appx 1" out from the tube. The OE shaft is 3/4" diameter. Very carefully use a grinder/sander/file to cut two flat spots on the shaft so that you can use a 3/4" DD type U-Joint. Use a 3/4"DD x 3/4"DD U-Joint and 16" of 3/4" DD shaft. Works. (sort-of). Use the OE column as is. You will need a 3/4" x 36 spline to 3/4" DD u-Joint and 13" of 3/4" DD shaft. This will max out the U-Joint angle, and you may feel a tight spot every 1/2 turn. We don't really recommend this. U-Joint failure may occur with the U-Joint maxed out. - see options above. Stay away from cheaper columns and U-joints. I know it's more $$ to spend, but this is not the place to cut corners. We have seen many failures with low quality columns and U-Joints.
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
I went with your 'BEST' solution above and got a 32" universal Ididit column. Now every aspect of the trucks steering and suspension is new.
Finally got everything installed. It looks great and I am happy. Here are a few pictures. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() It caught me by surprise when the power steering lines (3 pieces) were 104$ from Napa. (2 pressure hoses and the low pressure fitting) ![]() ![]() ![]() Here is a little video of it working. excuse the language, flaming river sent huge set screws. Which I have since gotten corrected. '66 C10 ![]() ![]() Last edited by Mjminino; 06-20-2017 at 07:02 AM. |
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
Nice job. Passing through the motor mount is a little more work but mechanically is fine, and lets the motor stay in place. The short column is a big plus. I'm with you on Falming River's extra long set screws, but those are easily replaced with shorter ones. Looks great, i'm sure you will be happy with it. Thanks for posting.
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
I didn't see these on the No Limit website. I'm looking for a setup for my 87 R30. I read where there were clearance issues on trucks with stock lower arms and press-in bushings. I believe my R30 has screw-in style from the factory. So would one of these fit? Are they still available? I'm looking at a complete rebuild right now and I would love to do one of these swaps instead.
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http://www.nolimit.net/products#!/C-...tegory=6157532 You are correct that they have issues with the stock press in bushings on the lower arms of a 73-87 1/2T truck. I had to convert my lower arms to Porterbuilt Forward Arms when I did mine. Given that the C30 arms are similar to the lowers on a 63-72 truck with the screw in steel bushings, it should work ok. I have seen pics of the rack installed on a '66 with factory lower control arms. It cleared the bushings fine. Your best bet would be to call and talk to Rob at NL to discuss about using his rack on your truck.
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
Can we still call in and get forum pricing?
I want to put this on a truck I am building with Ride Tech arms and coil overs. |
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
So I got one through Brothers, thanks for drop shipping.
I have the entire crossmember off. Is there any advantage to welding your bracket on? Also, what's the bump steer like with this kit? |
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
anyone have issues with their rack moving side to side, mine will move a bit and throw the wheel off center.
Also im using mine with an LS P/S pump and it seems very "reactive", seems like i should put a pressure reduction kit in it to tone it down. Anyone else done that? |
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
Check the drivers side mount. Some of the early racks had a pocketed rubber bushing. We replace them with a red urethane bushing. (see picts above) if you have the black rubber bushing, contact us and we will wend you a new one. Thanks.
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yup i have the the black rubber one. thanks for the heads up- ill email you guys. |
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
I just bought this kit from no limit web site, I have an early 90s power steering pump with a low pressure return which lines should I order for this to function properly. I spoke with Tina at NO Limit but they just told me lines from a 2000 chevy I dont know if that takes into account a low pressure return line..
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
The rack also uses low pressure return. So using the 2000 chevy return hose, one end will fit and thread into the rack, the other end can be trimmed to fit and then clamped over the input tube on the pump.
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
Any ideas on an 18X10 rim offset that clears the bolts on this?
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
I ended up going with a 20x11 with -10 offset. It now clears, but anything in the positive it would not clear.
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
i have a stock 1970 c10. i want to install your rack and pinion kit. My engine is in the "forward" holes on the frame. is there different motor mounts (currently stock) that will allow them to be installed in the "rearward holes" (the mounts) that will free up the "forward holes" w/o moving the engine? any suggestions or other members solutions please!
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
Rob, I'm finally getting around to getting my rack and pinion that I got from you installed. I have a set of PB control arms that are 1" forward and 1" narrowed. Would there be any benefit (geometry-wise) in spacing the rack forward on the bracket to account for the modified arms? It looks like I can safely space it out about 3/4" before the fluid lines get too close to the front crossmember.
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I used Rob's rack on the red '82 we built about 7 years ago. We had the original PB forward arms on that truck. I did discuss with Rob this same idea, but he told me to install it the way it was designed. I did, no issues at all and the truck drove and handled great!.
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Re: 63-87 rack and pinion
Thanks Karl, that's good to know. I did mock it up with it spaced forward 3/4" and I'm not seeing much difference between the 2 ways, but I figured I would check since I'm not a suspension geometry genius like Rob.
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