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Old 12-20-2004, 12:12 AM   #1
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Thumbs up Ramjet / Megasquirt Project on my 84 K10.

Ok, so I've been mentioning this here and there for a while now, I've got it to a point where now I'm ready to give a summary of the project.

I started this really last January. I discovered the preview of the Megasquirt article in Car Craft and went searching the web. I found the MegaSquirt site and immediately had to order the parts to start building my EFI computer. This is not a plug and play deal, you actually get a board in the mail, buy a bunch of components (capacitors, resistors, etc) separately and assemble the computer yourself. The benefit is that along the way you learn how this black box really works. It's an open source project and all the designs and program code are available. There is a really good support forum too.

I started with my 84 K10. It has a vortec headed 350 I built in 1999. The engine has 50k miles. It was originally built to the same specs as the 330 hp GM crate engine, but that hadn't come out when I started building up my engine. It is a 2 piece rear main 4 bolt block. It had a Edelbrock Performer Vortec Intake and a Holley 1850 carb. It's always had plenty of power and got around 15 mpg. This truck has 3.73 gears, NP208 transfer case, a TH700R4 transmission and 32x11.50 BFG All Terrain tires. The axles and tranny were rebuilt about 10k miles ago. It also has a set of Summit headers and 2 1/4" exhaust.

I gathered parts most of the spring and summer as I researched and could afford them. I will have a complete parts list on my web page, but here's the big items:
- 87 fuel sending unit with provisions for in tank electric pump.
- 89 Camaro electric fuel pump designed for ~45 psi.
- Misc plumbing from the tank to high pressure fuel filter to intake.
- GM Performance Parts Ramjet intake, throttle body, fuel rails and 22 lb/hr injectors.
- Wiring harness from RS Autosport (really just some nice labeled wire that I added to my new AC Delco connectors)
- Serpentine belt setup from a 91 Buick Roadmaster wagon. Original small block accessory brackets might have worked, but you would have to modify the alternator bracket since the new intake doesn't have the bolt hole it used to have. This also gave me an upgrade to a 100 amp alternator.
- Two jegs 14" electric fans. As we know you get what you pay for (trademarked to Mike (Swervin) Ervin) and these were the cheapies, but Eric (ocbaud) has been using some that are similar successfully so I figured I'd give them a shot. I plan on adding a cold air intake so I wanted to get rid of the radiator shroud. I also didn't know how far the ramjet aircleaner would stick out and worried (unnecessarily) about it hitting the fan. You could use a reverse rotation fan and the original shroud.
- Lokar LS1/ramjet throttle cable.
- 69 Chevy points distributor converted to electronic with a Crane XR-I kit. Similar to a Pertronix. I have a new lockdown small cap electronically controlled distributor when I add that functionality to my Megasquirt.

As of right now, I have everything installed and the truck starts just like a new EFI engine should. I have the idle tuned better than I ever did with my old Holley and now I'm working my way up the RPM range setting the numbers in the computer to make the truck run right. The Megasquirt setup helps you with this since it uses O2 sensor feedback and will run in closed loop.

On with the pics:

Here's how my truck has been sitting since September. I'll be needing it soon so I'd better get this finished!


Here's what I started with under the hood. You can see that I'd already pulled the carb, the accessories and the water pump.


Here's the new intake installed and wired up. The white wires on the harness are the pigtails that come on AC Delco connectors. They are hooked to color coded and labeled wires to the terminal board under the hood which has a cable that goes to the ECM inside the truck.


Here's the other side. The fuel gage is just in there for testing. The wiring mess on the firewall is partly for this EFI swap (the stuff around the board with the three relays on it). The red wires running across the firewall are actually from my A/C swap, powering my amp and powering my ACC circuit since something in the fusebox keeps it from working like it should. I'm ebarassed to let anyone see that, I'll be cleaning it up.


Here's my serpentine belt drive and more detail on the air cleaner.


Electric Fans.
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Old 12-20-2004, 12:18 AM   #2
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Here's a bunch of the efi parts on my living room table. The actual fuel injection computer is the black box in the lower right.

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Old 12-20-2004, 12:42 AM   #3
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Damn Joe, looks like you did your homework!!!! I give you lots of credit for taking on such a big project like that...I wish I was that brave.

Let us know how that first test drive goes.
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Old 12-20-2004, 05:53 PM   #4
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Let us know how that first test drive goes.


Big project for sure, I would be too scared of ruining something and then not having money to fix it
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Old 12-20-2004, 11:57 PM   #5
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Let us know how well it works out and how much the setup costs.
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:43 PM   #6
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That is awsome man! Congrats for taking on such a big project.
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Old 04-20-2005, 03:40 PM   #7
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ElGracho,

on getting your MegaSquirt setup running. It looks nice! I just built a MS too, but not for my truck. It's going into my '71 Dodge Dart with a 416 stoker small block. If it works out okay, I'll build one for the 454 in the truck. Here are a few pics of my contoller...

Just a few parts left to solder on.


Close up.


Completed unit running on the 'stimulator'. This also shows the MegaTune SW that is used to program the VE table and set up other parameters.
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Old 04-20-2005, 06:26 PM   #8
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I am currently debating on the MegaSquirt for the TPI system I have. I haven't fully decided which way to go now. Do they have timing included now?
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Old 04-20-2005, 07:12 PM   #9
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Chris,

There are several ways to go to get timing control with Megasquirt. One is an old mod called MegaSquirt'n'Spark and that's all it adds. Then there is MegaSquirt'n'extra, those guys have added timing control, traction control, rev limiters, nitrous control, and a ton of other stuff to the basic MegaSquirt. That the MS'n'extra stuff has a ton of support and is well proven. Check out the MS forums for more info here: http://www.msefi.com/

Another solution (the road I'm taking) is MegaSquirt 2. This is a small board that replaces the original MS processor to add timing control and IAC motor control. It came out recently and the next batch won't be ready until July or so. That's also on the forums.

I wouldn't use anything else to control an EFI retrofit.
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Old 04-20-2005, 09:36 PM   #10
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That sepentine belt system really cleans up the front of the small block.
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Old 04-20-2005, 09:44 PM   #11
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once someone gets a "howto" put together, maybe a specific one for a 454 plus some costs, this is something i might have to do...

serpentines? yuk i prefer the seperate belts, that way if the AC goes out you can slice one belt and go without until you can get it fixed... but thats just my take...
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