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booth · 12-20-2004, 02:07 PM

Well I picked up what I think to be a '68 GMC LWB from Fleetside72 this weekend. I am having trouble deciphering the VIN- CS2590D PC3227B. Can anyone out there give me a hand? I would post a pic of the vin plate but I think the pics I have are too large.

Thanks,
Paul

1971LT1SWBPOSI373 · 12-20-2004, 02:17 PM

Go here:

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/Chevyear.html

booth · 12-20-2004, 02:21 PM

Thanks,
I went there but the numbers I have don't jive with whats on that page.

**CPNE** · 12-20-2004, 02:26 PM

GMC VIN's are not sequenced the same as Chevy. Gohere

booth · 12-20-2004, 02:48 PM

Alright that clears up some of it. CS259OD PC3227B= 2 wheel drive, v6, 3/4 ton, Wide Side, Pontiac, 1967. The 59 is the only part that doesn't work out.
Thanks guys,
Paul

1971LT1SWBPOSI373 · 12-20-2004, 03:23 PM

Where you at in MN?

booth · 12-20-2004, 03:29 PM

Just south of the Cities in Lakeville.

1971LT1SWBPOSI373 · 12-20-2004, 04:03 PM

I grew up in Foley near St. Cloud

booth · 12-20-2004, 04:10 PM

Thats a nice area.

Rod · 12-20-2004, 06:29 PM

CS2590D PC3227B

C= Conventional
S = six cylinder
2= 3/4 ton
59= a 54 inch dimension from cab to rear axle....they just did it like that.
0D= wide side box
P=Pontiac asembly plant
C= 1967

Rest is sequence number

Are there marker lights on the side of this truck?

I had one truck I saw have the B at the end also.

From what I can figure..its a left over type way that GMC trucks produced in the United States were given a GVW rating...typically B meant 3/4 ton.
In older 62-66 trucks thats the way GVW rating were done. So that's what leads me to think that way.

It works in this case.

roger0080 · 12-22-2004, 01:33 AM

Since the pics are too big to post? could you e-mail be a picture of your glove box option sticker and the vin plate to roger0080@netscape.net? I'ld like to see this.

I have a picture of an option sticker with a "B" on the end of the VIN, but of course, I cannot readily find it. Dang. Thought I was seeing things when I first saw that (wasn't perfectly clear photo).

Rod, are you saying that for this GMC VIN that they stuck the cab-to-axle in the VIN? That would have to be the weirdest I've seen on here. Wonder what the MODEL= looks like then.

The 2 and B in this case would be redundant info in the VIN.

Rod · 12-22-2004, 08:51 AM

Yep the 2 and B are redundant in my opinion also.

Let give a stab at a model number and see what happens..

How's this one look

CS25934

or

CS2590D

one other possible way is

C9S25934
But I haven't seen too many that last way...but its a GMC. So?

I'm guessing the first one.

I figure thats whats there.

I'm guessing that the year is not in this ones model number code. Lets hear about it.

Blue Beard · 12-22-2004, 08:58 AM

If you'd like to post the pics...email them to me and I will resize and post them for you.

booth · 12-22-2004, 10:04 AM

Unfortunatly the glove box sticker is gone. Was there such a thing as a heavy 3/4 ton? This truck looks like it has a Dana 60 with some very beafy leaf springs. This truck also has a '70 chevy front clip and hood. Blue Beard whats your email? I'll send you some pics.
Thanks,
Paul

roger0080 · 12-22-2004, 08:28 PM

Rod, I have a picture of a 1967 Oshawa funky VIN, funky Model:

VIN Number: C9S1471<can;t read>
MODEL# C9S10934

Still look'n for the B vin...

Why is GMC so all over the board with this stuff while its counter-part Chevrolet is more consistent through those years? sigh.

Rod · 12-22-2004, 08:56 PM

Thats a 67 GMC..it was fairly common for GMC trucks built in Canada to have that 9 after the First C. It designated that the truck was built in Canada. You can see it was buit in Canada by the number 1 in the assembly plant position...Oshawa Plant in Canada....
C9S1471 < Thats last number 1 being the assembly plant position.

C= Conventional
9= GMC Canadian Built
S= Six cyl
1 = 1/2 ton
4= fleetside box
7= 1967
1= Oshawa assembly plant.

Its sort of like the 72 vins where a second letter C meant Chev while a second letter of T meant GMC

CCE142
CTE142

start like those above in 72 only for 1/2 ton 2wd.

Your model number MODEL# C9S10934

C= conventional cab
9= GMC Canada
1= 1/2 ton
09= 54 inch dimension from cab to rear axle.....you'll notice GMC and Chev used different numbers to represet 54 inches,..while GMC used code 59...chev model number used code 09
34= fleetside

Works out all pretty simple once you see them all a few dozen times.

That last letter dosent show up often...but I have seen it.. if it were in vin in your case it would have been a letter A to represent 1/2 ton GVW at the end of the vin not the model#.

so B = 3/4 and C = 1 ton and so on upward as the GVW's climb.

roger0080 · 02-08-2005, 12:40 AM

[For Rod]

Here is a listing on e-bay that has an "A" at the end of the VIN.
No picture but the seller states the VIN as: CM159ODPC5644A

Here is the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4526048127

Rod · 02-08-2005, 01:01 AM

CM159ODPC5644A I see a pic of the truck..and its a 67 GMC...no pic of vin plate but anyway

C=- conventional cab
M= V6
1= 1/2 ton
59= cab to rear axle is 54 inches
OD= wideside
P = pontiac assembly plant
C=1967
5644= sequence number
A= GVW range of 1/2ton

see the pattern of the GVW range at the end of the vins..above trucks vin is a 1/2 ton hence A..

way the threads up the truck had a B at end and it was 3/4 ton..hence B is 3/4 ton.

12-20-2004, 02:07 PM	#1
booth Active Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lonsdale, MN Posts: 109	Vin Trouble Well I picked up what I think to be a '68 GMC LWB from Fleetside72 this weekend. I am having trouble deciphering the VIN- CS2590D PC3227B. Can anyone out there give me a hand? I would post a pic of the vin plate but I think the pics I have are too large. Thanks, Paul

12-20-2004, 02:17 PM	#2
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12-20-2004, 02:26 PM	#4
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12-20-2004, 03:23 PM	#6
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12-20-2004, 04:03 PM	#8
1971LT1SWBPOSI373 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Posts: 460	re I grew up in Foley near St. Cloud __________________ 1971 Shortbed 350/350 w/ Posi-traction 3:73's 1996 Chevy Silverado TJ in Springfield, Virginia Likes old Chevy trucks Drinks Miller MGD

12-20-2004, 02:21 PM	#3
booth Active Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lonsdale, MN Posts: 109	Thanks, I went there but the numbers I have don't jive with whats on that page.

12-20-2004, 02:48 PM	#5
booth Active Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lonsdale, MN Posts: 109	Alright that clears up some of it. CS259OD PC3227B= 2 wheel drive, v6, 3/4 ton, Wide Side, Pontiac, 1967. The 59 is the only part that doesn't work out. Thanks guys, Paul

12-20-2004, 03:29 PM	#7
booth Active Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lonsdale, MN Posts: 109	Just south of the Cities in Lakeville.

12-20-2004, 04:10 PM	#9
booth Active Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lonsdale, MN Posts: 109	Thats a nice area.

12-20-2004, 06:29 PM	#10
Rod Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Eastern - Manitoba Canada, Winnipeg Posts: 4,369	CS2590D PC3227B C= Conventional S = six cylinder 2= 3/4 ton 59= a 54 inch dimension from cab to rear axle....they just did it like that. 0D= wide side box P=Pontiac asembly plant C= 1967 Rest is sequence number Are there marker lights on the side of this truck? I had one truck I saw have the B at the end also. From what I can figure..its a left over type way that GMC trucks produced in the United States were given a GVW rating...typically B meant 3/4 ton. In older 62-66 trucks thats the way GVW rating were done. So that's what leads me to think that way. It works in this case. __________________ Senior active founding member. 70 3/4 ton GMC Suburban 4x4 250/4 spd. 71 1/2 ton Suburban Chevy 4x4, 350/350 72 Chev 1 ton tow truck 402BB w/Holmes 440 wrecker on propane 2005 FLSTSCI Harley Springer 85 FXSB Harley Lowrider 72 Triumph 650 Bonneville 5spd "Poor people don't have hobbies" Quote from wife.

12-22-2004, 01:33 AM	#11
roger0080 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Carver County, Minnesota, USA Posts: 626	Since the pics are too big to post? could you e-mail be a picture of your glove box option sticker and the vin plate to roger0080@netscape.net? I'ld like to see this. I have a picture of an option sticker with a "B" on the end of the VIN, but of course, I cannot readily find it. Dang. Thought I was seeing things when I first saw that (wasn't perfectly clear photo). Rod, are you saying that for this GMC VIN that they stuck the cab-to-axle in the VIN? That would have to be the weirdest I've seen on here. Wonder what the MODEL= looks like then. The 2 and B in this case would be redundant info in the VIN. __________________ 72 Chev C-10 90% restored (former AZ truck) ... 71 Chev K-20 Cheyenne my vacation crusier... 72 Chev C-10 Now retired and striped after many faithful miles... 72 GMC 1500 Retired to the junk yard after bought new in '71...

12-22-2004, 08:51 AM	#12
Rod Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Eastern - Manitoba Canada, Winnipeg Posts: 4,369	Yep the 2 and B are redundant in my opinion also. Let give a stab at a model number and see what happens.. How's this one look CS25934 or CS2590D one other possible way is C9S25934 But I haven't seen too many that last way...but its a GMC. So? I'm guessing the first one. I figure thats whats there. I'm guessing that the year is not in this ones model number code. Lets hear about it. __________________ Senior active founding member. 70 3/4 ton GMC Suburban 4x4 250/4 spd. 71 1/2 ton Suburban Chevy 4x4, 350/350 72 Chev 1 ton tow truck 402BB w/Holmes 440 wrecker on propane 2005 FLSTSCI Harley Springer 85 FXSB Harley Lowrider 72 Triumph 650 Bonneville 5spd "Poor people don't have hobbies" Quote from wife.

12-22-2004, 08:58 AM	#13
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12-22-2004, 10:04 AM	#14
booth Active Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lonsdale, MN Posts: 109	Unfortunatly the glove box sticker is gone. Was there such a thing as a heavy 3/4 ton? This truck looks like it has a Dana 60 with some very beafy leaf springs. This truck also has a '70 chevy front clip and hood. Blue Beard whats your email? I'll send you some pics. Thanks, Paul

12-22-2004, 08:28 PM	#15
roger0080 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Carver County, Minnesota, USA Posts: 626	Rod, I have a picture of a 1967 Oshawa funky VIN, funky Model: VIN Number: C9S1471<can;t read> MODEL# C9S10934 Still look'n for the B vin... Why is GMC so all over the board with this stuff while its counter-part Chevrolet is more consistent through those years? sigh. __________________ 72 Chev C-10 90% restored (former AZ truck) ... 71 Chev K-20 Cheyenne my vacation crusier... 72 Chev C-10 Now retired and striped after many faithful miles... 72 GMC 1500 Retired to the junk yard after bought new in '71...



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12-22-2004, 08:56 PM	#16
Rod Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Eastern - Manitoba Canada, Winnipeg Posts: 4,369	Thats a 67 GMC..it was fairly common for GMC trucks built in Canada to have that 9 after the First C. It designated that the truck was built in Canada. You can see it was buit in Canada by the number 1 in the assembly plant position...Oshawa Plant in Canada.... C9S1471 < Thats last number 1 being the assembly plant position. C= Conventional 9= GMC Canadian Built S= Six cyl 1 = 1/2 ton 4= fleetside box 7= 1967 1= Oshawa assembly plant. Its sort of like the 72 vins where a second letter C meant Chev while a second letter of T meant GMC CCE142 CTE142 start like those above in 72 only for 1/2 ton 2wd. Your model number MODEL# C9S10934 C= conventional cab 9= GMC Canada 1= 1/2 ton 09= 54 inch dimension from cab to rear axle.....you'll notice GMC and Chev used different numbers to represet 54 inches,..while GMC used code 59...chev model number used code 09 34= fleetside Works out all pretty simple once you see them all a few dozen times. That last letter dosent show up often...but I have seen it.. if it were in vin in your case it would have been a letter A to represent 1/2 ton GVW at the end of the vin not the model#. so B = 3/4 and C = 1 ton and so on upward as the GVW's climb. __________________ Senior active founding member. 70 3/4 ton GMC Suburban 4x4 250/4 spd. 71 1/2 ton Suburban Chevy 4x4, 350/350 72 Chev 1 ton tow truck 402BB w/Holmes 440 wrecker on propane 2005 FLSTSCI Harley Springer 85 FXSB Harley Lowrider 72 Triumph 650 Bonneville 5spd "Poor people don't have hobbies" Quote from wife.

02-08-2005, 12:40 AM	#17
roger0080 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Carver County, Minnesota, USA Posts: 626	[For Rod] Here is a listing on e-bay that has an "A" at the end of the VIN. No picture but the seller states the VIN as: CM159ODPC5644A Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4526048127 __________________ 72 Chev C-10 90% restored (former AZ truck) ... 71 Chev K-20 Cheyenne my vacation crusier... 72 Chev C-10 Now retired and striped after many faithful miles... 72 GMC 1500 Retired to the junk yard after bought new in '71...

02-08-2005, 01:01 AM	#18
Rod Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Eastern - Manitoba Canada, Winnipeg Posts: 4,369	CM159ODPC5644A I see a pic of the truck..and its a 67 GMC...no pic of vin plate but anyway C=- conventional cab M= V6 1= 1/2 ton 59= cab to rear axle is 54 inches OD= wideside P = pontiac assembly plant C=1967 5644= sequence number A= GVW range of 1/2ton see the pattern of the GVW range at the end of the vins..above trucks vin is a 1/2 ton hence A.. way the threads up the truck had a B at end and it was 3/4 ton..hence B is 3/4 ton. __________________ Senior active founding member. 70 3/4 ton GMC Suburban 4x4 250/4 spd. 71 1/2 ton Suburban Chevy 4x4, 350/350 72 Chev 1 ton tow truck 402BB w/Holmes 440 wrecker on propane 2005 FLSTSCI Harley Springer 85 FXSB Harley Lowrider 72 Triumph 650 Bonneville 5spd "Poor people don't have hobbies" Quote from wife.

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