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boraxman · 06-16-2005, 12:34 AM

OFF SM420, $60 to your door. Paypal or money order. Reply in thread please.

Blue_71 · 06-16-2005, 01:14 AM

what all would i need to put this in my k20? SM465/NP205... does it work? (i dont know what could go wrong with one?)

boraxman · 06-16-2005, 01:39 AM

Not sure, I know it came off a sm420 and the gears look fine, maybe someone else can say.

**tnblazerk5** · 06-16-2005, 01:49 AM

who made that? whats the writing on there say ? and if blue 71 dont take it, i might

**JIMs70GMC** · 06-16-2005, 05:30 AM

dana/ chelsea that would be a single speed unit turns one direction to drive a hydraulic pump. If it's for a sm420 then that's all it will fit as the sm465/np205 and np435 all have different drive gears. I have 2 in my garage now, 1 for a np435 and the other for a sm465 and the gears are just slightly different.

Huck · 06-16-2005, 07:03 AM

What would you do with it---really??

boraxman · 06-16-2005, 08:32 AM

It is the Dana/ Chelsea and I have the sm420 trans it came off.

**JIMs70GMC** · 06-16-2005, 11:49 AM

You could use the unit to drive a hydraulic pump for a dump bed or hydraulic winch. One board member(toolpimp) has one that operated a sprayer.
Oh I forgot to add that's a fair price I paid $75 and $100 for mine.

**tnblazerk5** · 06-16-2005, 12:07 PM

oh well i got a sm465 so count me out

so heres a ttt for ya

Blue_71 · 06-16-2005, 12:13 PM

so it wont work with a SM465... i do have another question about it though-- is this the same kind of pto that runs a "pto winch" (im assuming it would be because you said hydralic winch jim)

im also going to have to pass though, your a little to far from me for me to ask about getting the SM420 too

boraxman · 06-16-2005, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue_71

so it wont work with a SM465... i do have another question about it though-- is this the same kind of pto that runs a "pto winch" (im assuming it would be because you said hydralic winch jim)

im also going to have to pass though, your a little to far from me for me to ask about getting the SM420 too

Too bad I would throw the trans in for free

I wont ship it.

Robert1970C20rstbukt · 06-16-2005, 02:35 PM

This is probably a stupid question, but would that work on a 2wd transmission?

1969 GMC · 06-16-2005, 02:47 PM

all SM420's were 2wd (had divorced t-cases behind them), so yes.

Robert1970C20rstbukt · 06-16-2005, 03:00 PM

Cool, thanks for the info. It really doesn't matter though, I'm putting a 465 in my truck.

Rod · 06-16-2005, 03:45 PM

Not so there 1969 GMC ..my 69 GMC 3/4 4x4 was a Rockwell T221 married to a SM420. Seems in Canada they built some using the older stock parts..my bother had a 69 3/4 4x4 GMC with a Rockwell T221 to SM465, also a married unit.

I can decode some Chelsea / Dana / Spicer PTO number too if someone has a problem with knowing what they will fit. But I only bothered to fihgure out what fits a SM 420 SM465 and NP 205. Anything else didn't matter to me..I have it written down somewhere. But it's mostly off the top of my head now too also.

1969 GMC · 06-16-2005, 04:49 PM

thanks for the heads up rod. my GMC had the 465/married 221 originally. always good to learn more stuff.

edit: even so, the pto's for 2wd and 4wd versions of the same tranny are the same. they usually just differ in output shafts and bearing retainers.

boraxman · 06-16-2005, 05:12 PM

Ya

does anyone want to buy it?

If you come and buy it I will throw in the sm420 for free! Really.

30 miles N. of Los Angeles

No shipping on trans, dont ask.

**JIMs70GMC** · 06-16-2005, 08:19 PM

The type of pto to drive a winch would have to be reversible. The pto above turns one direction and works by putting the tranny in neutral, push in the clutch, engaging the pto then releaseing the clutch.

boraxman · 06-18-2005, 11:21 AM

OFFERS?

Rod · 06-18-2005, 09:24 PM

Your almost right there Jims70GMC very often you see winches that need two way pto's...but...often you dont..hence the Holmes winches on the tow trucks..the winches are made to be reversible..all while the PTO remains turning in the same direction. Check out any Holmes 440 wreckers...thats how they work.

06-16-2005, 12:34 AM	#1
boraxman Keepin an eye out Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: So.Cal Posts: 3,920	Pto OFF SM420, $60 to your door. Paypal or money order. Reply in thread please. Attached Images __________________ 1970 Chevy C10 SWB 5.3 1996 Toyota Tacoma SR5 4x4 2007 Vespa GTS 250 Scooter ZIP 91351 Last edited by boraxman; 06-16-2005 at 05:16 PM.

06-16-2005, 01:39 AM	#3
boraxman Keepin an eye out Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: So.Cal Posts: 3,920	Not sure, I know it came off a sm420 and the gears look fine, maybe someone else can say. __________________ 1970 Chevy C10 SWB 5.3 1996 Toyota Tacoma SR5 4x4 2007 Vespa GTS 250 Scooter ZIP 91351

06-16-2005, 05:30 AM	#5
JIMs70GMC user # 2756 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 4,612	dana/ chelsea that would be a single speed unit turns one direction to drive a hydraulic pump. If it's for a sm420 then that's all it will fit as the sm465/np205 and np435 all have different drive gears. I have 2 in my garage now, 1 for a np435 and the other for a sm465 and the gears are just slightly different. __________________ 1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm

06-16-2005, 08:32 AM	#7
boraxman Keepin an eye out Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: So.Cal Posts: 3,920	It is the Dana/ Chelsea and I have the sm420 trans it came off. __________________ 1970 Chevy C10 SWB 5.3 1996 Toyota Tacoma SR5 4x4 2007 Vespa GTS 250 Scooter ZIP 91351

06-16-2005, 11:49 AM	#8
JIMs70GMC user # 2756 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 4,612	You could use the unit to drive a hydraulic pump for a dump bed or hydraulic winch. One board member(toolpimp) has one that operated a sprayer. Oh I forgot to add that's a fair price I paid $75 and $100 for mine. __________________ 1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm

06-16-2005, 01:49 AM	#4
tnblazerk5 User #12137 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: kingsport,upper east tenn Posts: 11,598	who made that? whats the writing on there say ? and if blue 71 dont take it, i might

06-16-2005, 07:03 AM	#6
Huck Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Shelbyville, KY Posts: 3,261	What would you do with it---really??

06-16-2005, 12:07 PM	#9
tnblazerk5 User #12137 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: kingsport,upper east tenn Posts: 11,598	oh well i got a sm465 so count me out so heres a ttt for ya Last edited by tnblazerk5; 06-16-2005 at 12:08 PM.

06-16-2005, 12:13 PM	#10
Blue_71 Bloo Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Barren County Kentucky Posts: 6,283	so it wont work with a SM465... i do have another question about it though-- is this the same kind of pto that runs a "pto winch" (im assuming it would be because you said hydralic winch jim) im also going to have to pass though, your a little to far from me for me to ask about getting the SM420 too

06-16-2005, 02:35 PM	#12
Robert1970C20rstbukt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Beeville, Texas Posts: 1,943	This is probably a stupid question, but would that work on a 2wd transmission? __________________ RJD 1984 Chevrolet C30 welding truck 454/SM465 1977 GMC C15 pickup 350/TH350 1970 Chevrolet C20 pickup 350/TH400 1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban 454/TH350 1969 GMC 8500 478M V6/5 spd winch truck

06-16-2005, 02:47 PM	#13
1969 GMC Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Rubber City Posts: 5,498	all SM420's were 2wd (had divorced t-cases behind them), so yes. __________________ 1969 GMC K2500 1996 Honda Accord 2007 Kawasaki KLR 650 Last edited by 1969 GMC; 06-16-2005 at 02:48 PM.

06-16-2005, 03:00 PM	#14
Robert1970C20rstbukt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Beeville, Texas Posts: 1,943	Cool, thanks for the info. It really doesn't matter though, I'm putting a 465 in my truck. __________________ RJD 1984 Chevrolet C30 welding truck 454/SM465 1977 GMC C15 pickup 350/TH350 1970 Chevrolet C20 pickup 350/TH400 1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban 454/TH350 1969 GMC 8500 478M V6/5 spd winch truck

06-16-2005, 03:45 PM	#15
Rod Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Eastern - Manitoba Canada, Winnipeg Posts: 4,369	Not so there 1969 GMC ..my 69 GMC 3/4 4x4 was a Rockwell T221 married to a SM420. Seems in Canada they built some using the older stock parts..my bother had a 69 3/4 4x4 GMC with a Rockwell T221 to SM465, also a married unit. I can decode some Chelsea / Dana / Spicer PTO number too if someone has a problem with knowing what they will fit. But I only bothered to fihgure out what fits a SM 420 SM465 and NP 205. Anything else didn't matter to me..I have it written down somewhere. But it's mostly off the top of my head now too also. __________________ Senior active founding member. 70 3/4 ton GMC Suburban 4x4 250/4 spd. 71 1/2 ton Suburban Chevy 4x4, 350/350 72 Chev 1 ton tow truck 402BB w/Holmes 440 wrecker on propane 2005 FLSTSCI Harley Springer 85 FXSB Harley Lowrider 72 Triumph 650 Bonneville 5spd "Poor people don't have hobbies" Quote from wife.

06-16-2005, 04:49 PM	#16
1969 GMC Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Rubber City Posts: 5,498	thanks for the heads up rod. my GMC had the 465/married 221 originally. always good to learn more stuff. edit: even so, the pto's for 2wd and 4wd versions of the same tranny are the same. they usually just differ in output shafts and bearing retainers. __________________ 1969 GMC K2500 1996 Honda Accord 2007 Kawasaki KLR 650 Last edited by 1969 GMC; 06-16-2005 at 04:50 PM.

06-16-2005, 05:12 PM	#17
boraxman Keepin an eye out Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: So.Cal Posts: 3,920	Ya does anyone want to buy it? If you come and buy it I will throw in the sm420 for free! Really. 30 miles N. of Los Angeles No shipping on trans, dont ask. __________________ 1970 Chevy C10 SWB 5.3 1996 Toyota Tacoma SR5 4x4 2007 Vespa GTS 250 Scooter ZIP 91351 Last edited by boraxman; 06-16-2005 at 05:21 PM.



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06-16-2005, 08:19 PM	#18
JIMs70GMC user # 2756 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 4,612	The type of pto to drive a winch would have to be reversible. The pto above turns one direction and works by putting the tranny in neutral, push in the clutch, engaging the pto then releaseing the clutch. __________________ 1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm

06-18-2005, 11:21 AM	#19
boraxman Keepin an eye out Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: So.Cal Posts: 3,920	OFFERS? __________________ 1970 Chevy C10 SWB 5.3 1996 Toyota Tacoma SR5 4x4 2007 Vespa GTS 250 Scooter ZIP 91351 Last edited by boraxman; 06-18-2005 at 11:27 AM.

06-18-2005, 09:24 PM	#20
Rod Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Eastern - Manitoba Canada, Winnipeg Posts: 4,369	Your almost right there Jims70GMC very often you see winches that need two way pto's...but...often you dont..hence the Holmes winches on the tow trucks..the winches are made to be reversible..all while the PTO remains turning in the same direction. Check out any Holmes 440 wreckers...thats how they work. __________________ Senior active founding member. 70 3/4 ton GMC Suburban 4x4 250/4 spd. 71 1/2 ton Suburban Chevy 4x4, 350/350 72 Chev 1 ton tow truck 402BB w/Holmes 440 wrecker on propane 2005 FLSTSCI Harley Springer 85 FXSB Harley Lowrider 72 Triumph 650 Bonneville 5spd "Poor people don't have hobbies" Quote from wife.

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