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amphicar770 · 07-13-2005, 01:17 PM

Hi All,

Any thoughts on the following vehicle would be greatly appreciated. It is an original '68 C-10 LWB with less than 25k miles. Appears to be in excellent original condition. At the same time, it does not have many of the extras which add value to these vehicles such as A/C. Is $12k reasonable, ridiculous, etc.

http://www.thecharlesmotorcompany.com/chevy1968.html

Thanks.

meathead95 · 07-13-2005, 01:32 PM

i think if your looking to restore a truck to all origional and that is the color you want i would jump on it and add the options later as i dont think you can restore a truck for that price

panhandler62 · 07-13-2005, 01:37 PM

It looks like a preserved original.. it's probably priced about right.

amphicar770 · 07-13-2005, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meathead95

i think if your looking to restore a truck to all origional and that is the color you want i would jump on it and add the options later as i dont think you can restore a truck for that price

Thanks. Does adding options that were not part of the original build have any negative impact on the value of these vehicles? I would certainly like to add A/C at some point down the road. Thanks again.

chevyfarmer · 07-13-2005, 02:00 PM

I agree with meathead, you probably cant restore one for that. Try giving them a lower offer you may be able to get it for 10K. Real nice truck though. Good Luck & let us know how it turns out.

**raggedjim** · 07-13-2005, 03:32 PM

Don't take this the wrong way but I believe it has had a repaint at some point. The picture below sows some runs in the paint, which isn't usual for a factory paint job. Others may disagrre with my thinking, so don't let me change your mind.

It's still a beautiful truck and better than either of mine!

Good luck, Rg

amphicar770 · 07-13-2005, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raggedjim

Don't take this the wrong way but I believe it has had a repaint at some point. The picture below sows some runs in the paint, which isn't usual for a factory paint job. Others may disagrre with my thinking, so don't let me change your mind.

It's still a beautiful truck and better than either of mine!

No offense taken. If I were the world's leading authority on C10 pickups I would not be asking for the opinion of other owners and experts.

I did notice that sag near the lock mechanism. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Cat Fuzz · 07-13-2005, 04:43 PM

I agree with Raggedjim, theres no way thats original paint. The undercarriage of the truck is as nasty as my trucks. Everything on that truck looks good, but the look of the undercarriage tells me that somethings not right. A truck with only 25k should look better than that underneath. I'd bet money that its fresh paint. If the paint in the door jamb looks that nice, the lock mechanism should be just as nice. Something is fishy.

amphicar770 · 07-13-2005, 06:20 PM

Hmm, now you guys really have me confused. My head is spinning.

I guess the million dollar question is, "what parts if any have been repainted and why?" I have asked the seller to confirm that the runs noted are indeed either there or are just flaws in the photo. He said he did not notice previously but will check it out and reply. He is probably telling the truth in that regard as I am sure he would not have posted that photo if runs were evident. He maintains that this is a vehicle which the buyer will not be in any way dissapointed with and that it is in outstanding original shape.

If that area was resprayed the next puzzle is why. This does not seem like an area which you would respray if you were just fixing up a scratch or a ding on the outer door? At the same time, if entire body were repainted it would seem there should be other signs of that having been done? Could this indeed be a factory flaw?

Any other thoughts on condition of chasis? Yes, I see surface rust but is that just normal after almost 40 years even with only 25k miles? Not offering an opinion, just looking for expertise of others.

Finally, if you look at the photo under the hood I see numbers or something written along the top of the firewall, just above what looks like some weather stripping. Any idea what that is?

Thanks Again,

Mike

Gene · 07-13-2005, 06:37 PM

Those are factory build numbers, they should be on any original underhood painted truck as this one is supposed to be.

1STtimePRo'71 · 07-13-2005, 06:45 PM

Are there even companies that will finance, because of the year I mean. It looks nice But I think the color is Ugly. But other than that......

moneyguru · 07-13-2005, 07:03 PM

THere are companies that will finance based solely on your credit rating and don't care the year of the car.

BUT

This is truck has most definitely been repainted. Notice they said no rust or collision repairs, they never said no paintwork.

Looking at the pic of the driver's door handle, I can't help but wonder why their aren't any scratches from fingernails etc.

Add that to the runs in the door jam

And the fact that the bed just looks too perfect

I'd be asking if it had been repainted, because what exactly does "original" mean to them? If it hasn't been repainted it would be 32+ year old paint, and it would show it's age no matter how the truck was stored.

Nice looking truck (but the color), but something sounds fishy to me.

Thats my thoughts anyway

**Joesjunk** · 07-13-2005, 09:05 PM

I have (and had) several nice original paint trucks and they all have had some paint runs on them somewhere. Remember, these were just trucks, not show trucks. But, I sure would check it out close before giving big money for it. Just my 2 cents worth.

byrd · 07-13-2005, 09:48 PM

I would say imo that it is a repaint (whole truck) but let's not forget that these trucks were painted by ppl and not a robot, so a run could be possible,unlikely but possible, especially in the area as I would think the factory would have noticed it and taken steps to reduce, or remove them all together. Just my .02 Randy

RShaips · 07-13-2005, 10:06 PM

Look under the ignition switch where the key chain would rub against the dash to see how much if any scratches there are, if there are none it has defenitely been painted. Hard for me tell see the runs in the paint but my 67 had some runs on the firewall from the original paint. The bed looks too clean for original paint, even if it wasn't used it should be faded some. Good Luck

tomatocity · 07-14-2005, 02:20 AM

and the incorrectly painted adjusting arm for the alternator. I am sure there are many more errors to be found.

*Tanker350* · 07-14-2005, 03:55 AM

The biggest thing that I notice is, is the rear view mirror is clued to the window. That only came out in 72, correct? So right there you know its not 100% ORIGINAL.

I WOULDN'T SPEND THE MONEY, b/c who knows what else could be overlooked. I'd rather pay more money for something that is Actually original, rather then get a deal on something that looks original but isn't

BowTieMan · 07-14-2005, 04:18 AM

The bed looks blue underneath

amphicar770 · 07-14-2005, 10:45 AM

Here is response from seller. I am still on the fence on this one.
==========================================================

This is an exceptionally nice truck and it is our opinion, based on the
conversations we had with the family member (from whom we purchased the
truck) of the original owner, that the mileage is accurate and the
truck
has been pampered its entire life by the family.

I recall they said the owner hauled eggs in the bed and had it covered
to prevent scratches. We have been all over this truck and it looks to
us that it is original paint. Possibly the passenger door has been
repainted.

The undercarriage reflects what you would expect to see in a low
mileage vehicle that is 37 years old. These trucks just rust out in a major
way in Missouri and it is not conceivable to us that the vehicle is not
what we believe it to be. I also looked at some pictures I have of the ID
plate area and I see the runs. But, notice how clean the margins are
on the tags. If this was ever repainted, it was an exceptional job.
Overall this paint is in excellent condition. The lock mechanism is a
wear area where you expect to see.

This truck is 37 years old and it is not possible for anyone to be 100%
certain about everything that may have been done to it or to draw any
conclusions from a few runs in paint. We have seen plenty of factory
defects in paint, trim, interiors and body on older cars.

The Old Car Price Guide indicates a price of $18,000 for a #1 condition
vehicle, which this is not. You are getting an excellent truck and a
very fair price. I understand that buying on the internet has some
unique uncertainties. The truck is not perfect...if it was, it would
be priced 50% higher. But when we look that this truck, it strikes us as
an incredible find...that is why we bought it in the first place.

**raggedjim** · 07-14-2005, 11:05 AM

As I said before, it's a beautiful truck (and I like the color...). You are the one who will have to be satisfied with it at the end of the day.

I know people who thought I was nutz to buy the trucks I have for what I paid for them (but, then again, they have brand new cars that aren't paid for, so I don't respect their opinions... I have this thing about debt, don't like it... ) but I love my trucks.

As nice as that truck is I wouldn't want to drive it often. If you plan to drive it often I think you could find a less original truck that looks as good for less money. But if you are looking for something to store and keep (which is fine, but I drive mine...) Then this truck may be for you. I feel like you would have to see it in person to make a final decision.

I do think it has been repainted, but so have most of these old trucks, so that doesn't bother me, as long as the repaint isn't hiding something. It's hard to find original condition trucks, they were built to work and most of them show it.

Good luck, Rg

Terry Peerson · 07-14-2005, 12:19 PM

VIN Tag has the wrong rivets! I wouldn't touch that truck with a ten-foot pole. Not unless I had the opportunity to check and verify everything. I'm betting 125K on that one.

Good Luck!

TP

amphicar770 · 07-14-2005, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry Peerson

VIN Tag has the wrong rivets! I wouldn't touch that truck with a ten-foot pole. Not unless I had the opportunity to check and verify everything. I'm betting 125K on that one.

Good Luck!

TP

That is interesting. Anyone else agree or disagree with Terry's observation?

In any event, I think I am going to have to walk away from this one.

moneyguru · 07-14-2005, 01:00 PM

Well I can't say the rivets are correct or not, but after examining the plate
I'm convinced it looks like the plates have scratches around the rivets
indicating the rivets had been drilled out.

It just looks fishy to me

amphicar770 · 07-14-2005, 01:07 PM

Hard to tell from the photo if those are scratches or just polish/wax which was not completely removed.

tomatocity · 07-14-2005, 01:22 PM

good catch on the interior mirror.

hopefully the seller is reading this thread.

07-13-2005, 01:32 PM	#2
meathead95 computer illiterate Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 6,440	i think if your looking to restore a truck to all origional and that is the color you want i would jump on it and add the options later as i dont think you can restore a truck for that price __________________ 72 2wd blazer 72 swb 4x4

07-13-2005, 01:37 PM	#3
panhandler62 Java Mechanic Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Martinsburg, WV Posts: 6,763	It looks like a preserved original.. it's probably priced about right. __________________ Keith 11 Lincoln MKT -- Momma's wagon 13 G37xS -- middle age crazy car 68 C20 Fleetside -- RIP Decorating the whole town up at a cost of $27 ....

07-13-2005, 02:00 PM	#5
chevyfarmer Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Owosso, Mi Posts: 242	I agree with meathead, you probably cant restore one for that. Try giving them a lower offer you may be able to get it for 10K. Real nice truck though. Good Luck & let us know how it turns out. __________________ 67 short wide 355ci 3 on tree 69 short wide 250ci 3 on tree 68 long wide 283 3 on tree 72 2wd Blazer project 454 5 speed

07-13-2005, 03:32 PM	#6
raggedjim Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Murray, Kentucky Posts: 3,515	Don't take this the wrong way but I believe it has had a repaint at some point. The picture below sows some runs in the paint, which isn't usual for a factory paint job. Others may disagrre with my thinking, so don't let me change your mind. It's still a beautiful truck and better than either of mine! Good luck, Rg __________________ Roger '68 Short step - https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=849675 '69 ('70?) 2wd Blazer '70 GMC Jimmy 2wd '73 Firebird - https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=853203 Ideas - https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=851743 Last edited by raggedjim; 10-21-2009 at 03:24 PM.

07-13-2005, 04:43 PM	#8
Cat Fuzz My son, my joy. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 463	I agree with Raggedjim, theres no way thats original paint. The undercarriage of the truck is as nasty as my trucks. Everything on that truck looks good, but the look of the undercarriage tells me that somethings not right. A truck with only 25k should look better than that underneath. I'd bet money that its fresh paint. If the paint in the door jamb looks that nice, the lock mechanism should be just as nice. Something is fishy. __________________ '69 Chevy 3/4 ton, 327cid, Carter AFB, Edelbrock intake, HEI, TH400. Founding member of the No Money To Spend On My Truck Club. When your at Home Depot, you WISH you had gotten an 8 foot bed! Last edited by Cat Fuzz; 07-13-2005 at 04:45 PM.

07-13-2005, 01:17 PM	#1
amphicar770 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Posts: 7	Is it worth the price. C-10 25k mile original? Hi All, Any thoughts on the following vehicle would be greatly appreciated. It is an original '68 C-10 LWB with less than 25k miles. Appears to be in excellent original condition. At the same time, it does not have many of the extras which add value to these vehicles such as A/C. Is $12k reasonable, ridiculous, etc. http://www.thecharlesmotorcompany.com/chevy1968.html Thanks. Last edited by amphicar770; 07-13-2005 at 01:58 PM.

07-13-2005, 06:20 PM	#9
amphicar770 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Posts: 7	Hmm, now you guys really have me confused. My head is spinning. I guess the million dollar question is, "what parts if any have been repainted and why?" I have asked the seller to confirm that the runs noted are indeed either there or are just flaws in the photo. He said he did not notice previously but will check it out and reply. He is probably telling the truth in that regard as I am sure he would not have posted that photo if runs were evident. He maintains that this is a vehicle which the buyer will not be in any way dissapointed with and that it is in outstanding original shape. If that area was resprayed the next puzzle is why. This does not seem like an area which you would respray if you were just fixing up a scratch or a ding on the outer door? At the same time, if entire body were repainted it would seem there should be other signs of that having been done? Could this indeed be a factory flaw? Any other thoughts on condition of chasis? Yes, I see surface rust but is that just normal after almost 40 years even with only 25k miles? Not offering an opinion, just looking for expertise of others. Finally, if you look at the photo under the hood I see numbers or something written along the top of the firewall, just above what looks like some weather stripping. Any idea what that is? Thanks Again, Mike Last edited by amphicar770; 07-13-2005 at 06:22 PM.

07-13-2005, 06:37 PM	#10
Gene Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma Posts: 2,914	Those are factory build numbers, they should be on any original underhood painted truck as this one is supposed to be. __________________ 1971 SWB 4X4 Build BOARD MEMBER #5448 BOOMER SOONER!!!!

07-13-2005, 06:45 PM	#11
1STtimePRo'71 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Lake Crystal, MN Posts: 656	Are there even companies that will finance, because of the year I mean. It looks nice But I think the color is Ugly. But other than that...... __________________ -Cory 1967 2 Wheel Chevy

07-13-2005, 07:03 PM	#12
moneyguru Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: kalamazoo, mi Posts: 397	THere are companies that will finance based solely on your credit rating and don't care the year of the car. BUT This is truck has most definitely been repainted. Notice they said no rust or collision repairs, they never said no paintwork. Looking at the pic of the driver's door handle, I can't help but wonder why their aren't any scratches from fingernails etc. Add that to the runs in the door jam And the fact that the bed just looks too perfect I'd be asking if it had been repainted, because what exactly does "original" mean to them? If it hasn't been repainted it would be 32+ year old paint, and it would show it's age no matter how the truck was stored. Nice looking truck (but the color), but something sounds fishy to me. Thats my thoughts anyway __________________ "Do the things you fear to do and the death of fear is certain"

07-13-2005, 09:05 PM	#13
Joesjunk Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Independence MO. Posts: 7,709	I have (and had) several nice original paint trucks and they all have had some paint runs on them somewhere. Remember, these were just trucks, not show trucks. But, I sure would check it out close before giving big money for it. Just my 2 cents worth. __________________ 72 3/4t Custom Deluxe 402/auto 66k Original paint 71 3/4t 4x4 Custom Deluxe 10k original miles Original paint 71 3/4t Cheyenne 402 70k original paint 72 3/4t 4x4 Custom deluxe 72 3/4t 4x4 Custom deluxe 91k original paint 72 Cheyenne/30 Dually 69 Camaro SS396 4-speed 13 GMC 2500HD Duramax I bought new 05 Jeep Wrangler "Willys Edition" 12k miles (I bought new) 85 3/4 ton 4x4 Scottsdale 33k miles original paint 86 1 ton 4x4 SRW Silverado 454 restored 80 1 ton 4x4 SRW Silverado 9,434 original miles!! original paint 95 GMC 1 ton dually 4x4 my dad bought new 95 GMC 3/4 ton 4x4, regular cab 454, 31k original miles 2002 2500HD 4x4 regular cab 6.0L 67k miles 2002 2500HD 4x4 regular cab 8.1L 28k miles 2003 GMC 2500HD 4x4 regular cab Diesel 93k miles 67-72 Parts for sale

07-13-2005, 10:06 PM	#15
RShaips Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Augusta Missouri Posts: 804	Look under the ignition switch where the key chain would rub against the dash to see how much if any scratches there are, if there are none it has defenitely been painted. Hard for me tell see the runs in the paint but my 67 had some runs on the firewall from the original paint. The bed looks too clean for original paint, even if it wasn't used it should be faded some. Good Luck

07-14-2005, 02:20 AM	#16
tomatocity Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sacramento CA Posts: 1,255	and the incorrectly painted adjusting arm for the alternator. I am sure there are many more errors to be found. __________________ Got bored, sold everthing. Got bored, looking for a 1960-66 C-10. Want to build my last truck.

07-14-2005, 03:55 AM	#17
Tanker350 Account Suspended Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Palm Desert, Ca Posts: 410	The biggest thing that I notice is, is the rear view mirror is clued to the window. That only came out in 72, correct? So right there you know its not 100% ORIGINAL. I WOULDN'T SPEND THE MONEY, b/c who knows what else could be overlooked. I'd rather pay more money for something that is Actually original, rather then get a deal on something that looks original but isn't

07-14-2005, 04:18 AM	#18
BowTieMan Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Glendale Arizona Posts: 747	The bed looks blue underneath __________________ "A true hotrodder wouldn't be content untill he had created a car so violent, so hairy, so totally sick that the very act of dropping the hammer would result in instant death. Anything less results in the need to go faster." - Tony DeFeo



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07-14-2005, 10:45 AM	#19
amphicar770 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Posts: 7	Here is response from seller. I am still on the fence on this one. ========================================================== This is an exceptionally nice truck and it is our opinion, based on the conversations we had with the family member (from whom we purchased the truck) of the original owner, that the mileage is accurate and the truck has been pampered its entire life by the family. I recall they said the owner hauled eggs in the bed and had it covered to prevent scratches. We have been all over this truck and it looks to us that it is original paint. Possibly the passenger door has been repainted. The undercarriage reflects what you would expect to see in a low mileage vehicle that is 37 years old. These trucks just rust out in a major way in Missouri and it is not conceivable to us that the vehicle is not what we believe it to be. I also looked at some pictures I have of the ID plate area and I see the runs. But, notice how clean the margins are on the tags. If this was ever repainted, it was an exceptional job. Overall this paint is in excellent condition. The lock mechanism is a wear area where you expect to see. This truck is 37 years old and it is not possible for anyone to be 100% certain about everything that may have been done to it or to draw any conclusions from a few runs in paint. We have seen plenty of factory defects in paint, trim, interiors and body on older cars. The Old Car Price Guide indicates a price of $18,000 for a #1 condition vehicle, which this is not. You are getting an excellent truck and a very fair price. I understand that buying on the internet has some unique uncertainties. The truck is not perfect...if it was, it would be priced 50% higher. But when we look that this truck, it strikes us as an incredible find...that is why we bought it in the first place.

07-14-2005, 11:05 AM	#20
raggedjim Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Murray, Kentucky Posts: 3,515	As I said before, it's a beautiful truck (and I like the color...). You are the one who will have to be satisfied with it at the end of the day. I know people who thought I was nutz to buy the trucks I have for what I paid for them (but, then again, they have brand new cars that aren't paid for, so I don't respect their opinions... I have this thing about debt, don't like it... ) but I love my trucks. As nice as that truck is I wouldn't want to drive it often. If you plan to drive it often I think you could find a less original truck that looks as good for less money. But if you are looking for something to store and keep (which is fine, but I drive mine...) Then this truck may be for you. I feel like you would have to see it in person to make a final decision. I do think it has been repainted, but so have most of these old trucks, so that doesn't bother me, as long as the repaint isn't hiding something. It's hard to find original condition trucks, they were built to work and most of them show it. Good luck, Rg __________________ Roger '68 Short step - https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=849675 '69 ('70?) 2wd Blazer '70 GMC Jimmy 2wd '73 Firebird - https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=853203 Ideas - https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=851743

07-14-2005, 12:19 PM	#21
Terry Peerson Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bonner Springs, KS Posts: 313	VIN Tag has the wrong rivets! I wouldn't touch that truck with a ten-foot pole. Not unless I had the opportunity to check and verify everything. I'm betting 125K on that one. Good Luck! TP

07-14-2005, 01:00 PM	#23
moneyguru Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: kalamazoo, mi Posts: 397	Well I can't say the rivets are correct or not, but after examining the plate I'm convinced it looks like the plates have scratches around the rivets indicating the rivets had been drilled out. It just looks fishy to me __________________ "Do the things you fear to do and the death of fear is certain"

07-14-2005, 01:07 PM	#24
amphicar770 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Posts: 7	Hard to tell from the photo if those are scratches or just polish/wax which was not completely removed.

07-14-2005, 01:22 PM	#25
tomatocity Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sacramento CA Posts: 1,255	good catch on the interior mirror. hopefully the seller is reading this thread. __________________ Got bored, sold everthing. Got bored, looking for a 1960-66 C-10. Want to build my last truck.

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