Why do my fenders fit so terribly? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

Russell · 08-08-2005, 09:19 PM

Hey guys!

I'm in the process of re-installing my old fenders, and an old hood so I can shoot primer onto my truck without getting my engine / frame etc all covered with overspray. However, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to get my fenders to bolt up. Its like the cab is too close to the rad support, but I've got the rad support as far forwards as it goes, and the cab as far back as it goes.

Also, the back of my fender is looking terrible as far as alignment goes as well. There is a very small gap at the top, and a huge one at the bottom, leading me to think that the core support is up too high (put the fender down as far as it'll go on the core support, and I have like 3 shims up front, yet the physical body lines are not lining up at all.

Any ideas?

**N2TRUX** · 08-08-2005, 09:41 PM

is the frame bent?

*1FaastC10* · 08-08-2005, 09:49 PM

good call, especially if the frame had a plow on it at some time. alot of guys with plows just floor it and go, which is not making an already bad situatuin any better. i would look specifically where the frame bends down under the cab. my 79 K20 was bent there.

canadian trucker · 08-08-2005, 10:09 PM

i have to agree (but you say its not bent) it might be that over time the frame has started to move old frames are not perfect and like bodypanels have oval holes for lining parts up my 84 chev truck is like that it was apain to get the new body panels on (now i always weld support bars in befor i take anything apart, sure its a hassel but it saves you alot of cursing)
well thats my idea good luck

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Originally Posted by 1FaastC10

good call, especially if the frame had a plow on it at some time. alot of guys with plows just floor it and go, which is not making an already bad situatuin any better. i would look specifically where the frame bends down under the cab. my 79 K20 was bent there.

Russell · 08-08-2005, 10:01 PM

Nope, frame is good. I was looking at old pictures, and it seems that they always fit poorly, infact, the way I've gotten them tonight looks better than it did before I took the truck apart....

f.monroe · 08-08-2005, 10:14 PM

How did it look before with the bed on . If the body lines of the doors and bed are in line then the frame or something is bent . If the cab appears to tilt down in the front then this would seem to indicate the wrong cab bushings or bad cab mounts in the cab . If it tilts forward you would experience the exact problems you are talking about . Frank

Russell · 08-08-2005, 10:35 PM

It would appear to be tilting forwards...

Here is a pic of the fender alignment, along with a picture of the fender before I took the GMC apart, and she was still on a 2wd chassis. Also tossed a few more other pictures in

Russell · 08-08-2005, 10:40 PM

PS, don't look at the paint lines, they are very much different. Look at the body lines, and the gaps.

The bottom bolt on the fender is NOT bolted up, cause I broke it off in there (good thing I ain't using these fenders permenantly, lol)

**N2TRUX** · 08-08-2005, 11:22 PM

I wish I could see more of the door in this pic. It looks like two things are going on here. The level of the fender is wrong, and your door is too high on the cab. If the door has never been removed from the cab, what about hinge pins and bushings? Are they in good shape? Maybe the hinges are worn.
What I'm saying is just from the pics I think you have more than onew problem. I think part of the problem is the door is up too high....

Russell · 08-08-2005, 11:32 PM

I personally have never removed the door, not to say it hasn't been done by a PO.

I'll snap a picture of the whole door tommorow, its too dark now, and the truck is too close to the wall to get a good pic in the shop.

I think that riptide may be pretty close on what is wrong as far as the shimming goes. I think there may have been a shim on the front cab mounts. However, it is a possiblity that the door may be too high up. I know that the hinge on that side is no good, the upper hinge's spring to keep the door open is broken, so I will be replacing the hinges on the truck.

Roberty · 08-08-2005, 11:44 PM

Sounds to me like the cab bushings are shot. This is a common problem on the 67-72 trucks and maybe your truck is just "ahead of the times".

Russell · 08-08-2005, 11:54 PM

Brand new poly bushings

I may swap them out for rubber ones though, I am hearing nothing but bad about poly. People tell me that they squeak, and ride extremely rough (this truck rides rough enough as it is)

**N2TRUX** · 08-09-2005, 10:19 AM

Russell it's nothing more but guessing without looking at the big picture. Sometimes it's just a combination of all the parts and panels needing adjusted.

Pure poly urethane bushing are very form, and do squeak especially when used in leaf springs Poly graphite bushings or graphite impregnated urethane is self lubricating so it doesn't squeak....

08-08-2005, 09:19 PM	#1
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	Why do my fenders fit so terribly? Hey guys! I'm in the process of re-installing my old fenders, and an old hood so I can shoot primer onto my truck without getting my engine / frame etc all covered with overspray. However, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to get my fenders to bolt up. Its like the cab is too close to the rad support, but I've got the rad support as far forwards as it goes, and the cab as far back as it goes. Also, the back of my fender is looking terrible as far as alignment goes as well. There is a very small gap at the top, and a huge one at the bottom, leading me to think that the core support is up too high (put the fender down as far as it'll go on the core support, and I have like 3 shims up front, yet the physical body lines are not lining up at all. Any ideas? __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap) Last edited by Russell; 08-08-2005 at 09:20 PM.

08-08-2005, 09:41 PM	#2
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,023	is the frame bent? __________________ Follow me on Facebook and Instagram @N2trux.com Articles- "Jake" the 84 to 74 crewcab "Elwood" the77_Remix 85 GMC Sierra "Scarlett" "Refining Sierra"

08-08-2005, 10:01 PM	#5
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	Nope, frame is good. I was looking at old pictures, and it seems that they always fit poorly, infact, the way I've gotten them tonight looks better than it did before I took the truck apart.... __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

08-08-2005, 10:35 PM	#7
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	It would appear to be tilting forwards... Here is a pic of the fender alignment, along with a picture of the fender before I took the GMC apart, and she was still on a 2wd chassis. Also tossed a few more other pictures in Attached Images __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

08-08-2005, 10:40 PM	#8
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	PS, don't look at the paint lines, they are very much different. Look at the body lines, and the gaps. The bottom bolt on the fender is NOT bolted up, cause I broke it off in there (good thing I ain't using these fenders permenantly, lol) __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap) Last edited by Russell; 08-08-2005 at 10:41 PM.

08-08-2005, 09:49 PM	#3
1FaastC10 Account Suspended Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Elkhart, IN Posts: 6,400	good call, especially if the frame had a plow on it at some time. alot of guys with plows just floor it and go, which is not making an already bad situatuin any better. i would look specifically where the frame bends down under the cab. my 79 K20 was bent there.

08-08-2005, 10:14 PM	#6
f.monroe Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Caldwell,Tx. Posts: 3,648	How did it look before with the bed on . If the body lines of the doors and bed are in line then the frame or something is bent . If the cab appears to tilt down in the front then this would seem to indicate the wrong cab bushings or bad cab mounts in the cab . If it tilts forward you would experience the exact problems you are talking about . Frank

08-08-2005, 11:22 PM	#9
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,023	I wish I could see more of the door in this pic. It looks like two things are going on here. The level of the fender is wrong, and your door is too high on the cab. If the door has never been removed from the cab, what about hinge pins and bushings? Are they in good shape? Maybe the hinges are worn. What I'm saying is just from the pics I think you have more than onew problem. I think part of the problem is the door is up too high....

08-08-2005, 11:32 PM	#10
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	I personally have never removed the door, not to say it hasn't been done by a PO. I'll snap a picture of the whole door tommorow, its too dark now, and the truck is too close to the wall to get a good pic in the shop. I think that riptide may be pretty close on what is wrong as far as the shimming goes. I think there may have been a shim on the front cab mounts. However, it is a possiblity that the door may be too high up. I know that the hinge on that side is no good, the upper hinge's spring to keep the door open is broken, so I will be replacing the hinges on the truck. __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

08-08-2005, 11:44 PM	#11
Roberty Hot Damn - Here I Am!! Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Ringgold, Georgia Posts: 726	Sounds to me like the cab bushings are shot. This is a common problem on the 67-72 trucks and maybe your truck is just "ahead of the times". __________________ My vehicles: '90 Silverado Sport '71 Chevelle SS Convertible '70 C-10 - My Grandfather bought it new - original un-restored

08-08-2005, 11:54 PM	#12
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	Brand new poly bushings I may swap them out for rubber ones though, I am hearing nothing but bad about poly. People tell me that they squeak, and ride extremely rough (this truck rides rough enough as it is) __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

08-09-2005, 10:19 AM	#13
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,023	Russell it's nothing more but guessing without looking at the big picture. Sometimes it's just a combination of all the parts and panels needing adjusted. Pure poly urethane bushing are very form, and do squeak especially when used in leaf springs Poly graphite bushings or graphite impregnated urethane is self lubricating so it doesn't squeak....



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