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donelan07 · 08-15-2005, 10:46 PM

Hi I was wondering if this is a good idea and what it would cost me. I want to get a short box fleetside rust free with decent paint and put a 2.2L GM motor that is flexible fuel in it. Would this be a good idea?

64fleetside · 08-15-2005, 10:59 PM

I would use a larger engine, the 2.2 will barely move an S10. Brian

ed455 · 08-16-2005, 09:06 AM

Fuel injected 4.3 V6 would be a great engine in your truck. The Vortec 4.3 makes good power and would be a fairly easy intallation. I have considered the swap myself.

donelan07 · 08-16-2005, 11:40 AM

The only reason I was thinking 2.2 is its flexible fuel. The way gas is going up these days It would be nice to run E85. Is there any larger fleixble fuel GM motors? Does anyone have a short fleetside for sale?

Frizzle Fry · 08-16-2005, 01:46 PM

Fuel consumption increases with ethanol—not as much energy. But it’s not petroleum-based, so there’s your trade-off. If you want to save money it's not the way to go.

The difference in price does not make up for the loss of volumetric efficiency.

If you are hell bent on running E85, you may want to consider a turbo'ed E85 engine. E85 is equivalent to around 105 octane so you could run at least 30psi of boost on a turbocharged E85 engine (depending on CR). Then, the efficiency will be up in the range to give it an economical advantage.

u2slow · 08-20-2005, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donelan07

put a 2.2L GM motor that is flexible fuel in it. Would this be a good idea?

Stay away from the 2.2L. It is only just adequate in the Cavalier it was created for.

The older 2.5L is a much better engine. There is also the 3.0L version of the same, but is mainly a marine/industrial engine.

The new Vortec 2800, 3500, and 4200 inlines look really appealing too. This is the direction I would be heading.

oldblu65 · 10-02-2005, 02:06 AM

Has anyone done this swap ? If so , what is involved ?

u2slow · 10-03-2005, 12:36 AM

I was pondering the 4.3L swap for a while... when out shop got ahold of some marine 4V intakes for the Vortecs

I even had the 85-87 C/K 4.3L engine brackets for it... They looked like they would fit the older trucks just the same.

Hilandr451 · 10-09-2005, 01:59 PM

RE: Daily Driver:
Anybody ever cosider doing a complete electric power plant conversion on one of these old trucks? It's been in the back of my mind for a while now..... that itchy feeling when my mind wanders while I'm driving home on the crowded California not-so-freeways... kind of a yearning to explore new boundries, conquer new challenges, face impossible odds - go where few have gone before - so I got married & have't done anything more on the EV thing since.

Check out these guys - apperantly everything you would need is available off the shelf! Sucking Amps Racing

99-2door · 11-05-2005, 06:42 PM

A 2.2L will barely move a S-10 with 4.10 gears and tiny tires.
Might as well install pedals.

E85 costs more and gets worse mileage. What's the point.

If you really want a flex-fuel engine you could go with a FF 5.3L

Fred T · 11-06-2005, 03:16 PM

You can make just about any engine run on E85 with the right carb and recurved timing. And it's a bunch cheaper than putting in a computerized engine. But to go back to running regular gas, you have to recarb and time. Either way, you lose about 10% in milage with the E85

08-15-2005, 10:46 PM	#1
donelan07 Active Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Brookings, SD Posts: 202	1964 daily driver idea? Hi I was wondering if this is a good idea and what it would cost me. I want to get a short box fleetside rust free with decent paint and put a 2.2L GM motor that is flexible fuel in it. Would this be a good idea? __________________ _________________________________ 1972 Chevy SWB 4x4 350 4speed

08-16-2005, 11:40 AM	#4
donelan07 Active Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Brookings, SD Posts: 202	Motor The only reason I was thinking 2.2 is its flexible fuel. The way gas is going up these days It would be nice to run E85. Is there any larger fleixble fuel GM motors? Does anyone have a short fleetside for sale? __________________ _________________________________ 1972 Chevy SWB 4x4 350 4speed

08-16-2005, 01:46 PM	#5
Frizzle Fry Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hillsboro Oregon Posts: 6,449	Fuel consumption increases with ethanol—not as much energy. But it’s not petroleum-based, so there’s your trade-off. If you want to save money it's not the way to go. The difference in price does not make up for the loss of volumetric efficiency. If you are hell bent on running E85, you may want to consider a turbo'ed E85 engine. E85 is equivalent to around 105 octane so you could run at least 30psi of boost on a turbocharged E85 engine (depending on CR). Then, the efficiency will be up in the range to give it an economical advantage. Last edited by Frizzle Fry; 10-02-2005 at 02:23 PM.

10-02-2005, 02:06 AM	#7
oldblu65 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: " The Scenic City " Posts: 189	4.3 v-6 /65 C10 ? Has anyone done this swap ? If so , what is involved ?

10-03-2005, 12:36 AM	#8
u2slow Web Wheeler Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: BC, Canada, eh? Posts: 388	I was pondering the 4.3L swap for a while... when out shop got ahold of some marine 4V intakes for the Vortecs I even had the 85-87 C/K 4.3L engine brackets for it... They looked like they would fit the older trucks just the same. __________________ '66 C10 longstep - Clifford equiped '84 C20 Suburban 6.2L - awaiting 4x4 conversion '91 V3500 Crewcab - awaiting diesel swap

08-15-2005, 10:59 PM	#2
64fleetside Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: arkieland Posts: 1,070	I would use a larger engine, the 2.2 will barely move an S10. Brian

08-16-2005, 09:06 AM	#3
ed455 Captain Ed Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Port Charlotte, FL Posts: 1,241	Fuel injected 4.3 V6 would be a great engine in your truck. The Vortec 4.3 makes good power and would be a fairly easy intallation. I have considered the swap myself.

10-09-2005, 01:59 PM	#9
Hilandr451 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 316	RE: Daily Driver: Anybody ever cosider doing a complete electric power plant conversion on one of these old trucks? It's been in the back of my mind for a while now..... that itchy feeling when my mind wanders while I'm driving home on the crowded California not-so-freeways... kind of a yearning to explore new boundries, conquer new challenges, face impossible odds - go where few have gone before - so I got married & have't done anything more on the EV thing since. Check out these guys - apperantly everything you would need is available off the shelf! Sucking Amps Racing __________________ Greg Smith a.k.a. "The Highlander" 1966 C20 Custom Camper, 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 Highlander's Project Pics Highlander's web site: www.6066ChevyTrucks.com

11-05-2005, 06:42 PM	#10
99-2door Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Broken Bow, OK Posts: 1,385	Re: 1964 daily driver idea? A 2.2L will barely move a S-10 with 4.10 gears and tiny tires. Might as well install pedals. E85 costs more and gets worse mileage. What's the point. If you really want a flex-fuel engine you could go with a FF 5.3L __________________ 95 K3500 SRW 5.7L Vortec 4L80e 4.10 G80 2001 GMC C3 6.0 AWD, Volant, 3/5 drop TBSS intake, HP tuners, pullies, 05 efans, 05 front brakes, etc. 2003 Tahoe Z71 Silverado front clip Last edited by 99-2door; 11-05-2005 at 06:45 PM.

11-06-2005, 03:16 PM	#11
Fred T Cantankerous Geezer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bel Aire, KS Posts: 6,264	Re: 1964 daily driver idea? You can make just about any engine run on E85 with the right carb and recurved timing. And it's a bunch cheaper than putting in a computerized engine. But to go back to running regular gas, you have to recarb and time. Either way, you lose about 10% in milage with the E85 __________________ Fred There is no such thing as too much cam...just not enough engine.



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