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Longhorn Man · 09-05-2005, 05:30 PM

OK, I know my rig ain't getting painted properly anytime in the near future...WAY too many things in the way for that. The gold and gray promer really looks like crap IMO.
Almost 2 years ago, i put my old GMC in black primer. Yes, it was rattle can, and after a couple months, it too looked like crap. Not to mention the absorbing of water deal that most all primers do.
So i was thinking, (uh oh) I want something that is semi flat or very semi gloss... thinking like that electricly aplied stuff on replacement parts, maybe a tad flatter than that.
Rustolium is cheap.
Rustolium helps to prevent rust, or at least does not promote it like sponge primer.
Rustolium is 10 times more durable than primer.

If anyone has a [b]CHEAP[/i] idea better than Rustolium, I'm all ears. I'm not talking $100 budget here...I'm talking a Mc Burger and fries buget...small fries at that, and a glass of water.

Now, questions...
What percentage of flat and of gloss would I have to mix for this? I was thinking lik 50/50.
What would I thin the paint with? (to be sprayed through a proper (but cheapo) paint gun)

I DO know that when it comes time for real paint, that all this crap will have to come off.
In all reality, that is about the only disadvantage I can come up with.

I hope that i can bump into some one with the tallent of laying out flames.....(I wonder if Tim will be in my neck of the woods anytime soon?) but a semi flat black paint job with the white bumpers, grill, roof and wheels will have to do. Not sure what old school sticker I should go with this time...too many woody wood pecker comments last time, so Mr Horse Power is out of the question. Probably the moon eyes or rat fink.

Please feel free to attach pics of truck done up somethign like this. I've always wanted flames, but I still have plenty of years to have a fire truck like that.
I'll start with my old beater.

cableguy0 · 09-05-2005, 05:39 PM

go borrow a paint gun and buy a gallon of paint from a paint store. it will hold up a lot better and if you can spray decent with rattle cans you should be able to do decent with a spray gun

Longhorn Man · 09-05-2005, 05:43 PM

I can paint with a gun...it's been over a decade, but I did a few in the body shop at tech school durring my jr and sr years.
One of the rerasons I want to go with flat-ish paint is that it is obviouse that it is not a final paint.... a work in progress. If I put real paint on it, I'll lose sleep if I paint over rust holes or dents. And that kind of body work don't fit in the mc'budget.

cableguy0 · 09-05-2005, 05:53 PM

you could always buy a gallon of flat paint. hell even sealed primer would be better than most rattle can paints. the automotive primer in gallon form isnt a sponge like the rattle can stuff because the rattle can stuff has anti drying agents in it to stop it from drying in the can

weasel29gm · 09-05-2005, 08:07 PM

Go for it and if you can't find a booth to paint in, spray it outside. With flat it will turn out ok. Black epoxy would be good.

dubie · 09-05-2005, 08:23 PM

Hey check the paint and body forum. Member >X< has some John Deere Blitz Black to give away. Lots of ol skool hot rodders use it for the flat black look
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s....php3?t=171409

Longhorn Man · 09-05-2005, 08:49 PM

Thanks tim, I just placed myself 3rd in line on that stuff.

Longhorn Man · 09-06-2005, 05:23 AM

bump

onetoncrewcab · 09-06-2005, 08:09 AM

If the paint give-away does not work out, go with the rustoleum. If you have access to a paint gun, a gallon of rustoleum is only around $25.00 and should be enough to do your truck and inside the bed. I painted a 81 Chevy 4x4 that was mostly surface rusted from one end to the other. I also had a few dents to fix. I bought one can of bondo and told my wife, once it was gone, I was done doing body work. I got just about all the dents fixed and ground down all the rust spots the best I could get them cleaned up. I primered the whole truck with gallon of Rustoleum rust fighting primer and then painted it red. That paint held a shine for almost a year. The rust was just starting to come back through when I got rid of the truck five years later.
I probably had well under $100 in materials for this and ended up with a fairly decent looking truck.

I also did the same thing to my daughter's 1990 S-10 Blazer. One can of bondo and one can of Rustoleum blue got that thing looking pretty spiffy.

Mike

arkracing · 09-06-2005, 08:42 AM

Rustoleum isn't a bad idea.

but go to NAPA and ask for a gallon of "Flat Black Commercial Coatings" and a gallon of the reducer.

I think the Paint Part# is 6040 or 6036 (one is the Paint and one is the Reducer but i don't remember which is which)

THe paint should be about $40 and the Reducer should be about $20

And it looks pretty good.....

*FormerMember* · 09-06-2005, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arkracing

Rustoleum isn't a bad idea.

but go to NAPA and ask for a gallon of "Flat Black Commercial Coatings" and a gallon of the reducer.

I think the Paint Part# is 6040 or 6036 (one is the Paint and one is the Reducer but i don't remember which is which)

THe paint should be about $40 and the Reducer should be about $20

And it looks pretty good.....

Did you paint that?

lux hauler · 09-06-2005, 09:19 AM

If it was me, I'd do the JD Blitz Black and call it good.

Purs · 09-06-2005, 09:55 PM

I'm liking it more and more...

Longhorn Man · 09-06-2005, 11:38 PM

I like that napa stuff there...is that flat, or semi flat? Washing primer really sucks after a rain storm, the mud gets soaked into the coarse surface.

stllookn · 09-06-2005, 11:47 PM

Andy, I have been spraying Dupont DP90 and it is clearly the easiest primer/paint I have ever worked with. Read the tech sheet and mix as directed. I have been using a gravity HVLP gun (inexpensive) and spraying outside using a charcoal cannister (organic vapor) North respirator. Not even sure I need it but it is there for double protection. Semi-gloss looks great!

Blue_71 · 09-06-2005, 11:57 PM

i have used some stuff from TSC that is called..take a wild guess... semi-gloss black... about $10 a gallon, and you use Naptha to reduce it. i painted the K20s frame with it and the only problems i had were where i didnt get the frame clean, otherwise it didnt peel anywhere. it only took 3 gallons to paint a 16 ft cattle trailer we have. its been sitting cab-less for about a year now and still not faded or had any problems

Brainchild · 09-07-2005, 12:28 AM

I have a friend that did a flat black from the local JD dealer,and the paint was around $20,might be worth a phonecall to the JD dealer.

http://www.paintforcars.com/

badpeanut · 09-07-2005, 12:31 AM

Flat black is neat, I'm following this thread also...

lux hauler · 09-07-2005, 09:05 AM

http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/john...ack-31993.html

stllookn · 09-07-2005, 05:20 PM

Andy, Forget about the Dupont DP90. It is a two-part epoxy and with reducer and catalyst it will cost you about $135-$150. I am not sure a gallon will cover one truck!

**Canadian694x4** · 09-07-2005, 06:52 PM

Arkracing that looks sweet!

Overdrive · 09-07-2005, 09:54 PM

I vote for the JD Blitz black... my brother used it on the botom half of his car... relatives of mine had experience with the rustoleum flat black going chalky after a short time...

whatever you do, don't get wax on the flat black... makes it look like crap (unless you use wax remover)....

arkracing · 09-07-2005, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grendel

Did you paint that?

Yep....Goes on like primer...hard to run it levels nicely, i'd use it again.

Andy,
It is a Flat Paint..not Semi. It is actually called Flat Black

AND you can wash it. I've washed it about 3 times now (cause it gets filthy sitting around in the shop) and it still looks good.

Thanks Canadian694x4

I like it - it came good for an amature job. it's no show piece but i'm happy with it.

Here is another shot from the side...might be able to see the color a little bit better.

Its for sale buy the way. I'll get complete pictures of it this weekend @ the Adirondack Nationals in Lake George, NY. Hopefully I can sell it there. I need to scrape some cash up for other projects and bills

-Andy

*FormerMember* · 09-08-2005, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arkracing

Yep....Goes on like primer...hard to run it levels nicely, i'd use it again.

I like it - it came good for an amature job. it's no show piece but i'm happy

-Andy

Want to paint mine? It will be blasted and in pieces.

Longhorn Man · 09-08-2005, 07:41 PM

I've been quiet...but i am reading and looking at all these options listed... keep them coming

09-05-2005, 05:30 PM	#1
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Going flat black again...maybe? OK, I know my rig ain't getting painted properly anytime in the near future...WAY too many things in the way for that. The gold and gray promer really looks like crap IMO. Almost 2 years ago, i put my old GMC in black primer. Yes, it was rattle can, and after a couple months, it too looked like crap. Not to mention the absorbing of water deal that most all primers do. So i was thinking, (uh oh) I want something that is semi flat or very semi gloss... thinking like that electricly aplied stuff on replacement parts, maybe a tad flatter than that. Rustolium is cheap. Rustolium helps to prevent rust, or at least does not promote it like sponge primer. Rustolium is 10 times more durable than primer. If anyone has a [b]CHEAP[/i] idea better than Rustolium, I'm all ears. I'm not talking $100 budget here...I'm talking a Mc Burger and fries buget...small fries at that, and a glass of water. Now, questions... What percentage of flat and of gloss would I have to mix for this? I was thinking lik 50/50. What would I thin the paint with? (to be sprayed through a proper (but cheapo) paint gun) I DO know that when it comes time for real paint, that all this crap will have to come off. In all reality, that is about the only disadvantage I can come up with. I hope that i can bump into some one with the tallent of laying out flames.....(I wonder if Tim will be in my neck of the woods anytime soon?) but a semi flat black paint job with the white bumpers, grill, roof and wheels will have to do. Not sure what old school sticker I should go with this time...too many woody wood pecker comments last time, so Mr Horse Power is out of the question. Probably the moon eyes or rat fink. Please feel free to attach pics of truck done up somethign like this. I've always wanted flames, but I still have plenty of years to have a fire truck like that. I'll start with my old beater. Attached Images

09-05-2005, 05:39 PM	#2
cableguy0 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Delta,Pa Posts: 14,950	go borrow a paint gun and buy a gallon of paint from a paint store. it will hold up a lot better and if you can spray decent with rattle cans you should be able to do decent with a spray gun __________________ Owner of North Point Car Care in Dundalk Md. We specialize in custom exhaust on both modern and classic vehicles. We are a full service auto shop from classics to modern vehicles. Feel free to contact me with questions. I will give a 10% discount to any board member.

09-05-2005, 05:53 PM	#4
cableguy0 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Delta,Pa Posts: 14,950	you could always buy a gallon of flat paint. hell even sealed primer would be better than most rattle can paints. the automotive primer in gallon form isnt a sponge like the rattle can stuff because the rattle can stuff has anti drying agents in it to stop it from drying in the can __________________ Owner of North Point Car Care in Dundalk Md. We specialize in custom exhaust on both modern and classic vehicles. We are a full service auto shop from classics to modern vehicles. Feel free to contact me with questions. I will give a 10% discount to any board member.

09-05-2005, 08:07 PM	#5
weasel29gm SLOW BUT SURE,BUT CLOSER Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: eleanor wv usa Posts: 3,094	Go for it and if you can't find a booth to paint in, spray it outside. With flat it will turn out ok. Black epoxy would be good. __________________ 69 C-10, OWNED 38YRS... 350 over 30, 350 Turbo, 3:73 Posi P/S, P/B Black with red and black int. ''LOVE THESE OLD ''TRUCKS.......

09-05-2005, 08:23 PM	#6
dubie Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Location: Flin Flon, Manitoba, Canada Posts: 8,855	Hey check the paint and body forum. Member >X< has some John Deere Blitz Black to give away. Lots of ol skool hot rodders use it for the flat black look http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s....php3?t=171409 __________________ My name's Tim and I'm a truckaholic My 56 Chevy shop truck build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=562795

09-05-2005, 05:43 PM	#3
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	I can paint with a gun...it's been over a decade, but I did a few in the body shop at tech school durring my jr and sr years. One of the rerasons I want to go with flat-ish paint is that it is obviouse that it is not a final paint.... a work in progress. If I put real paint on it, I'll lose sleep if I paint over rust holes or dents. And that kind of body work don't fit in the mc'budget.

09-05-2005, 08:49 PM	#7
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Thanks tim, I just placed myself 3rd in line on that stuff.

09-06-2005, 05:23 AM	#8
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	bump

09-06-2005, 08:09 AM	#9
onetoncrewcab One of my kids. Cute eh? Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mitchell, SD Posts: 1,286	If the paint give-away does not work out, go with the rustoleum. If you have access to a paint gun, a gallon of rustoleum is only around $25.00 and should be enough to do your truck and inside the bed. I painted a 81 Chevy 4x4 that was mostly surface rusted from one end to the other. I also had a few dents to fix. I bought one can of bondo and told my wife, once it was gone, I was done doing body work. I got just about all the dents fixed and ground down all the rust spots the best I could get them cleaned up. I primered the whole truck with gallon of Rustoleum rust fighting primer and then painted it red. That paint held a shine for almost a year. The rust was just starting to come back through when I got rid of the truck five years later. I probably had well under $100 in materials for this and ended up with a fairly decent looking truck. I also did the same thing to my daughter's 1990 S-10 Blazer. One can of bondo and one can of Rustoleum blue got that thing looking pretty spiffy. Mike __________________ If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is “God is crying.” And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is “Probably because of something you did. John 3:16 2006 Chevy HHR 2000 Dodge Durango 1985 Jeep CJ-7 1970 Chevy Pickup

09-06-2005, 08:42 AM	#10
arkracing Weekend Warrior Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: CT Posts: 1,787	Rustoleum isn't a bad idea. but go to NAPA and ask for a gallon of "Flat Black Commercial Coatings" and a gallon of the reducer. I think the Paint Part# is 6040 or 6036 (one is the Paint and one is the Reducer but i don't remember which is which) THe paint should be about $40 and the Reducer should be about $20 And it looks pretty good..... Attached Images __________________ -'07 GMC Sierra K2500HD -'66 C10 Suburban -'68/'71 K20 Service Bed Project -'69 Chevy C30 Mason Dump -'33Ford P/U 396ChevyPowered Last edited by arkracing; 09-06-2005 at 08:44 AM.

09-06-2005, 09:19 AM	#12
lux hauler Psycho-billy Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: about 40 miles west of Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 2,591	If it was me, I'd do the JD Blitz Black and call it good. __________________ '72 C-10 350 w/Lunati Voodoo cam (207/213, .437/.454), Performer intake, 625 Road Demon Jr. and Hooker headers. Support your community, support yourself. Buy local, buy American (or Canadian).

09-06-2005, 09:55 PM	#13
Purs Got Big Block? Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: West Texas Posts: 1,510	I'm liking it more and more... __________________ "Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted."

09-06-2005, 11:38 PM	#14
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	I like that napa stuff there...is that flat, or semi flat? Washing primer really sucks after a rain storm, the mud gets soaked into the coarse surface.

09-06-2005, 11:47 PM	#15
stllookn Saving 1 truck at a time! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kent, WA Posts: 6,465	Andy, I have been spraying Dupont DP90 and it is clearly the easiest primer/paint I have ever worked with. Read the tech sheet and mix as directed. I have been using a gravity HVLP gun (inexpensive) and spraying outside using a charcoal cannister (organic vapor) North respirator. Not even sure I need it but it is there for double protection. Semi-gloss looks great! __________________ '68 C20 Longhorn 50th Anniversary 400/TH400 '68 C20 Longhorn 50th Anniversary 468/TH400w/buckets '72 C20 Halfhorn (Longhorn w/o cab and front clip) '69 Flxible Cruiser (look up ugly in the dictionary)

09-07-2005, 12:28 AM	#17
Brainchild Still drivin' a Rat Rod Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Monett Missouri Posts: 4,925	I have a friend that did a flat black from the local JD dealer,and the paint was around $20,might be worth a phonecall to the JD dealer. http://www.paintforcars.com/ __________________ Rusty Member #13872 Instead of saying.....you are a discomfort in the back of my front.....one should be able to say...... you are a pain in the a$# 71 GMC LWB 49 Chevy 85 Chevy G20 Check out my website



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09-07-2005, 12:31 AM	#18
badpeanut Not a bad nut after all.. Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: ND Posts: 1,758	Flat black is neat, I'm following this thread also...

09-07-2005, 09:05 AM	#19
lux hauler Psycho-billy Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: about 40 miles west of Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 2,591	http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/john...ack-31993.html __________________ '72 C-10 350 w/Lunati Voodoo cam (207/213, .437/.454), Performer intake, 625 Road Demon Jr. and Hooker headers. Support your community, support yourself. Buy local, buy American (or Canadian).

09-07-2005, 05:20 PM	#20
stllookn Saving 1 truck at a time! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kent, WA Posts: 6,465	Andy, Forget about the Dupont DP90. It is a two-part epoxy and with reducer and catalyst it will cost you about $135-$150. I am not sure a gallon will cover one truck! __________________ '68 C20 Longhorn 50th Anniversary 400/TH400 '68 C20 Longhorn 50th Anniversary 468/TH400w/buckets '72 C20 Halfhorn (Longhorn w/o cab and front clip) '69 Flxible Cruiser (look up ugly in the dictionary)

09-07-2005, 06:52 PM	#21
Canadian694x4 Born To Lose Club Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta/Oxenden, Ontario, Great White North Posts: 13,308	Arkracing that looks sweet! __________________ Brian Smith - "Born To Lose" 1969 Chevrolet K10 LWB Fleetside - Proud Owner For 22 Yrs - 1 of 208 Built & Sold In Canada!- 283 V8/350TH/NP208, 2" All Spring Lift, 32" Good Year MT/R's. 1972 GMC K2500 Custom LWB Fleetside - Proud Owner For 3 Yrs - 1 of 571 Built & Sold In Canada! - 350 V8/SM465/NP205, 4” Rough Country Lift, 33” Interco TSL Thornbirds 2007.5 GMC Sierra SLE 2500HD 4x4 - Proud Owner For 17 Yrs- 6.6L V8 Duramax Diesel/Allison 1000, 2" Lift, 33" Mickey Thompson MTZ's. 2008 Yamaha Raptor 700r - Proud Owner For 15 Yrs - ITP Mud Lites. 2015 John Deere 1025R - Proud Owner For 8 Yrs - 24HP Diesel/H120/54D/260B/SB1154.

09-07-2005, 09:54 PM	#22
Overdrive Sawzall User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The snow infested Prairies of Canada (aka: Winnipeg, Manitoba) Posts: 117	I vote for the JD Blitz black... my brother used it on the botom half of his car... relatives of mine had experience with the rustoleum flat black going chalky after a short time... whatever you do, don't get wax on the flat black... makes it look like crap (unless you use wax remover).... __________________ '67 GMC 910

09-08-2005, 07:41 PM	#25
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	I've been quiet...but i am reading and looking at all these options listed... keep them coming

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