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Premium72 · 10-03-2005, 02:38 PM

lookn to get some brake lines on this monster next week...thinkn on how to go from the master cylidar. with the steel or with the braided?.. anyone have any pics of braided lines? or how theyve been run?..thanx. w.

Stroker · 10-03-2005, 07:18 PM

I think the only place the braided lines are used is as a replacement for the black hose right at the wheels. The rest of the system would be ran with hard line in steel or stainless steel.

Premium72 · 10-03-2005, 08:11 PM

hmm...would there be any diasadvantage other than price of doing the whole system braided..will it look like crap at the MC?..just trying to do sum different things and this is one that will be happening soon...hmm...not sure..the brake lines are the only things ive never really done..well see how it goes..thanx. w.

raidermanny · 10-03-2005, 08:25 PM

I would think it would look kinda cool with braided lines, but I've never seen it done.

CG · 10-03-2005, 08:39 PM

my rear line is braided stainless and both the fronts are braided stainless. no problems at all....these are on my 71 halfton 4x4. just rearead your post. i have hardlines from the master and hardlines down the frame rails.

Longhorn Man · 10-03-2005, 09:34 PM

well, on the new GM vans, they have braided lines off the master cylinder, and they ALWAYS leak. They are actually on national back order.

Premium72 · 10-03-2005, 10:32 PM

hmm well. i dont know what to do...i may just be doin the ol plane lines then...who knows. ..w

4x4Poet · 10-04-2005, 01:47 AM

Hard line, pre-bent replacements are available in SS for longevity and looks.

Nuthin' wrong with bringing along looks with longevity.

**basketcase** · 10-04-2005, 04:43 AM

A friend that has done a lot of Chevy and Corvette restorations warned me against using stainless hard lines. It seems that often hair line cracks can be found in the fold of the double flare. I just got a regular steel kit and I'm not at all happy with the fit. Some of the bends are close, others are general at best and some are just plain wrong. I called and verified that the kit was correct for a '72 2wd with power disc and was told the same supplier supplies most vendors. I believe that. Looks like I'll have to get the bender out and do some re-shaping.

The originals were already stripped out of my basketcase when I bought it so I don't have anything to compare with. Of course they were for drums too but they would have been close. Has anyone else had any major problems with line kits?

Anyone have good pictures of the lines installed onthe chassis?

Tom

Stroker · 10-04-2005, 10:47 AM

I have a 72 with aftermarket stainless lines. The installation is not 100% complete but most of the hardlines are on the chassis. What areas would you like pics for?

Premium72 · 10-04-2005, 02:41 PM

id like pics of your mastcyldr and all back..haha..all you got would be cooll thanx. w.

**basketcase** · 10-04-2005, 03:48 PM

Thanks Stroker.

I need to see the junction blocks for the front brakes where the mc line comes down to the front brake lines. Also need to see how the front lines go around the frame to the brake hose bracket on the crossmember on both sides. This is one place where my lines go the wrong way or don't have enough radius in them and will need to be tweeked. The junction block was MIA and the AIM doesn't show it nor does any vendor so i'm flying blind there.

The rear brake crossover and mc lines are fairly close and a minor tweek will do on them.

Tom

Stroker · 10-04-2005, 11:27 PM

Hope these help. I don't have a cab on so I can't be any help with the Master Cylinder routing.

**basketcase** · 10-06-2005, 01:54 PM

Thanks for the pics. I printed them and am taking them to the garage too see if I can figure this out.

Tom

**basketcase** · 10-06-2005, 02:39 PM

Well it appears that I have the line set that you have. Is your truck a 3/4?

The problem is that with the calipers on a 1/2 ton mounted to the back side of the rotor why would the lines run under the motor mounts to the front side? The clip for the rubber hose is welded to the back side on the crossmember. Those holes that have the line clamps bolted to them under the motor mounts on my 1/2 ton have never been used. One even still has the factory soft frame coating almost completely closing it off. Also the 1/2 ton mc lines come down on the inside of the frame except for a few '69s.

I think I may have the wrong lines even though Harmon's says that the package has the right number. I think I need to call them and talk to Eric again. He was very helpfull when I ordered the parts. I hope he knows his stuff.

I'm wondering if I would be better off just rebending and shortening the lines to fit. It would be easy but then I have to remember that I paid for lines that fit in the first place so i wouldn't have to design my own.

Glad this is only a hobby that I can walk away from when things get frustrating.

Stroker · 10-06-2005, 04:39 PM

My truck is a 72 1/2 ton SWB. I'm guessing that you have a 69 that you've converted to disk brakes. On my 72 the bracket for the clip is on the front side of the crossmember. This pic is kinda small but is's all I have that shows the routing to the caliper. Not sure who's truck or what year but it looks like it's set up with the same hose bracket as my 72.

Stroker · 10-06-2005, 04:58 PM

This post has a few more shots of a 72 that show some of the routing to the caliper.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s....php3?t=169301

**basketcase** · 10-07-2005, 04:48 AM

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

You just solved the mistery. The '69 clips are on the back side of the crossmember and the '71-'72 clips are on the front. Those pictures and your explaination tell it all. It looks like I'll have to move the clips to the front side then all will be well. I can see that the rubber hose will be much better protected doing it that way than re-bending the lines to use the clips on the back.

Tom

**basketcase** · 10-07-2005, 05:07 AM

This is going to be easy. There is enough meat on those tabs that I can cut them off with a cut-off wheel and have plenty of tab to drill through and bolt them on or stick them on with the Lincoln. I'll fit the lines first and let that determine where the tabs need to be. I'll need to order the clips for under the motor mounts or maybe NAPA has a universal one.

Stroker · 10-07-2005, 06:33 PM

Sounds like you got a handle on it now. Be sure to post some pics when you get the lines all routed in. Good Luck.

10-03-2005, 02:38 PM	#1
Premium72 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Villa Rica Ga Posts: 889	braided stainless brake lines.. lookn to get some brake lines on this monster next week...thinkn on how to go from the master cylidar. with the steel or with the braided?.. anyone have any pics of braided lines? or how theyve been run?..thanx. w. Last edited by Premium72; 10-03-2005 at 02:39 PM.

10-03-2005, 07:18 PM	#2
Stroker Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Moore, Ok Posts: 1,149	I think the only place the braided lines are used is as a replacement for the black hose right at the wheels. The rest of the system would be ran with hard line in steel or stainless steel. __________________ 72 SWB parts and pieces Oklahoma

10-03-2005, 08:39 PM	#5
CG BlahBlahBlah Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wa. Posts: 19,845	my rear line is braided stainless and both the fronts are braided stainless. no problems at all....these are on my 71 halfton 4x4. just rearead your post. i have hardlines from the master and hardlines down the frame rails. Last edited by CG; 10-03-2005 at 08:40 PM.

10-04-2005, 01:47 AM	#8
4x4Poet Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: "Under Montana skies." Posts: 1,836	Hard line, pre-bent replacements are available in SS for longevity and looks. Nuthin' wrong with bringing along looks with longevity. __________________ '71 GMC K20 Suburban, '71 GMC K10 Suburban, '72 Chevy C10 CST Suburban, '72 Chevy K20 clunker pickup.

10-04-2005, 04:43 AM	#9
basketcase Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Edgerton OH USA Posts: 631	A friend that has done a lot of Chevy and Corvette restorations warned me against using stainless hard lines. It seems that often hair line cracks can be found in the fold of the double flare. I just got a regular steel kit and I'm not at all happy with the fit. Some of the bends are close, others are general at best and some are just plain wrong. I called and verified that the kit was correct for a '72 2wd with power disc and was told the same supplier supplies most vendors. I believe that. Looks like I'll have to get the bender out and do some re-shaping. The originals were already stripped out of my basketcase when I bought it so I don't have anything to compare with. Of course they were for drums too but they would have been close. Has anyone else had any major problems with line kits? Anyone have good pictures of the lines installed onthe chassis? Tom __________________ '69 swb stepside in progress. '59 Corvette lifetime project Last edited by basketcase; 10-04-2005 at 04:46 AM.

10-03-2005, 08:11 PM	#3
Premium72 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Villa Rica Ga Posts: 889	hmm...would there be any diasadvantage other than price of doing the whole system braided..will it look like crap at the MC?..just trying to do sum different things and this is one that will be happening soon...hmm...not sure..the brake lines are the only things ive never really done..well see how it goes..thanx. w.

10-03-2005, 08:25 PM	#4
raidermanny Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fremont, Ca Posts: 260	I would think it would look kinda cool with braided lines, but I've never seen it done.

10-03-2005, 09:34 PM	#6
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	well, on the new GM vans, they have braided lines off the master cylinder, and they ALWAYS leak. They are actually on national back order.

10-03-2005, 10:32 PM	#7
Premium72 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Villa Rica Ga Posts: 889	hmm well. i dont know what to do...i may just be doin the ol plane lines then...who knows. ..w

10-04-2005, 10:47 AM	#10
Stroker Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Moore, Ok Posts: 1,149	I have a 72 with aftermarket stainless lines. The installation is not 100% complete but most of the hardlines are on the chassis. What areas would you like pics for? __________________ 72 SWB parts and pieces Oklahoma

10-04-2005, 02:41 PM	#11
Premium72 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Villa Rica Ga Posts: 889	id like pics of your mastcyldr and all back..haha..all you got would be cooll thanx. w.

10-04-2005, 03:48 PM	#12
basketcase Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Edgerton OH USA Posts: 631	Thanks Stroker. I need to see the junction blocks for the front brakes where the mc line comes down to the front brake lines. Also need to see how the front lines go around the frame to the brake hose bracket on the crossmember on both sides. This is one place where my lines go the wrong way or don't have enough radius in them and will need to be tweeked. The junction block was MIA and the AIM doesn't show it nor does any vendor so i'm flying blind there. The rear brake crossover and mc lines are fairly close and a minor tweek will do on them. Tom __________________ '69 swb stepside in progress. '59 Corvette lifetime project

10-04-2005, 11:27 PM	#13
Stroker Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Moore, Ok Posts: 1,149	Hope these help. I don't have a cab on so I can't be any help with the Master Cylinder routing. Attached Images __________________ 72 SWB parts and pieces Oklahoma

10-06-2005, 01:54 PM	#14
basketcase Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Edgerton OH USA Posts: 631	Thanks for the pics. I printed them and am taking them to the garage too see if I can figure this out. Tom __________________ '69 swb stepside in progress. '59 Corvette lifetime project

10-06-2005, 02:39 PM	#15
basketcase Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Edgerton OH USA Posts: 631	More confused than ever Well it appears that I have the line set that you have. Is your truck a 3/4? The problem is that with the calipers on a 1/2 ton mounted to the back side of the rotor why would the lines run under the motor mounts to the front side? The clip for the rubber hose is welded to the back side on the crossmember. Those holes that have the line clamps bolted to them under the motor mounts on my 1/2 ton have never been used. One even still has the factory soft frame coating almost completely closing it off. Also the 1/2 ton mc lines come down on the inside of the frame except for a few '69s. I think I may have the wrong lines even though Harmon's says that the package has the right number. I think I need to call them and talk to Eric again. He was very helpfull when I ordered the parts. I hope he knows his stuff. I'm wondering if I would be better off just rebending and shortening the lines to fit. It would be easy but then I have to remember that I paid for lines that fit in the first place so i wouldn't have to design my own. Glad this is only a hobby that I can walk away from when things get frustrating. __________________ '69 swb stepside in progress. '59 Corvette lifetime project



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10-06-2005, 04:39 PM	#16
Stroker Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Moore, Ok Posts: 1,149	My truck is a 72 1/2 ton SWB. I'm guessing that you have a 69 that you've converted to disk brakes. On my 72 the bracket for the clip is on the front side of the crossmember. This pic is kinda small but is's all I have that shows the routing to the caliper. Not sure who's truck or what year but it looks like it's set up with the same hose bracket as my 72. Attached Images __________________ 72 SWB parts and pieces Oklahoma

10-06-2005, 04:58 PM	#17
Stroker Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Moore, Ok Posts: 1,149	This post has a few more shots of a 72 that show some of the routing to the caliper. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s....php3?t=169301 __________________ 72 SWB parts and pieces Oklahoma

10-07-2005, 04:48 AM	#18
basketcase Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Edgerton OH USA Posts: 631	Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! You just solved the mistery. The '69 clips are on the back side of the crossmember and the '71-'72 clips are on the front. Those pictures and your explaination tell it all. It looks like I'll have to move the clips to the front side then all will be well. I can see that the rubber hose will be much better protected doing it that way than re-bending the lines to use the clips on the back. Tom __________________ '69 swb stepside in progress. '59 Corvette lifetime project

10-07-2005, 05:07 AM	#19
basketcase Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Edgerton OH USA Posts: 631	This is going to be easy. There is enough meat on those tabs that I can cut them off with a cut-off wheel and have plenty of tab to drill through and bolt them on or stick them on with the Lincoln. I'll fit the lines first and let that determine where the tabs need to be. I'll need to order the clips for under the motor mounts or maybe NAPA has a universal one. Last edited by basketcase; 10-07-2005 at 05:07 AM.

10-07-2005, 06:33 PM	#20
Stroker Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Moore, Ok Posts: 1,149	Sounds like you got a handle on it now. Be sure to post some pics when you get the lines all routed in. Good Luck. __________________ 72 SWB parts and pieces Oklahoma

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