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Nima · 09-15-2006, 03:37 PM

I was off today therefore decided to go junk yard hunting for the rear hub snap ring that I ruined during my disc conversion process. After finding a C20 and taking the hubs off I noticed this power steering box and pump still on the engine. Since I don't have power steering I jumped at it. I paid $ 100 for it. Did I waste my money?

indyracer · 09-15-2006, 04:04 PM

I can't say if you wasted your money or not. I would guess that it depends on how bad you wanted power steering.

Tony

jimmydean · 09-15-2006, 04:22 PM

I ask myself that same question every single day.

As for the parts, I would agree with Tony. I got power steering free from the donor truck I bought for the motor. I could have gotten a setup of Craigs List for $30. But I have also seen people who ask $100+, but it's all in whay you're willing to pay.

I would hope for that price it won't need a rebuild.

Longhorn Man · 09-15-2006, 04:44 PM

You'll have to heat and dimple your frame to do it right since you have a 67. Be ready for the brackets and pullies to not work.
If they are in good shape, you did OK...a little steep for u-pull-it prices IMO, but I've seen worse.

**southern parts** · 09-15-2006, 08:05 PM

I dont think $100 is bad for a pump and gearbox. I`ve sold the pump and brackets alone for $75. Even if the pump is bad, Its cheap to rebuild.

junkyardjohn · 09-15-2006, 08:35 PM

THAT $100 WONT SEEM LIKE SQUAT WHEN YOUR TOOLIN DOWN THE ROAD WITH POWER STEERING. THATS A MUST-HAVE UPGRADE FOR ME. JOHN

LUV2XCLR8 · 09-15-2006, 08:36 PM

ThatOneBlue67 · 09-15-2006, 09:30 PM

You don't need to dimple the frame.

Just space it out. You do not lose anything by doing it except unecessary metal work.

I spaced mine out using washers. I do donuts, I go off jumps (would not recommend by the way), and just about everything stupid. The power steering still works 100 percent and it's all junkyard parts. It doesn't wear down anything, not that you should care because it's all junkyard parts in the first place.

It doesn't even look tacky. It's too small and insignificant t even notice that it has been spaced out by washers. Everyone should be looking at the mill anyway

*No disrespect Longhorn Man as you definetly know what you're talking about and you're not a dick. But so far no one has proven to me as to why it MUST have a dimple and why spacing is so BAD.

Nima · 09-15-2006, 09:40 PM

thatOneblue67: Do you have any pictures of your set up?

_Dick_ · 09-15-2006, 09:47 PM

I paid $200 for a rebuilt pump on my 67 ,which ever system you use dimple or washers paint it shiny black with a dollar spray can and be happy

good luck

Longhorn Man · 09-15-2006, 09:48 PM

becouse the gear is no longer riding on the hardened center portion and causes excelerated wear, and the added leverage can EASILY break the bold that hold it on.
GM coulda saved a LOT of money by putting washers on longer bolts instead of retooling for a little dimple.
I'll be the first to call the idiots at GM retards... but I have to side with them on this.
Heat the frame till it's red, beat it with a large ball peen hammer, and let it cool slowly.

crazy longhorn · 09-15-2006, 10:45 PM

While i dont agree with washers to space the box.....I would prefer to build a steel "plate type" spacer to bolt the box on the frame, as to heating it. the box does need to be centered when the truck is running straight, but the adjustment can be made up in the tierods. The only down side would be the turning radius will be a tad shorter one way(1/2" shouldnt hurt too much tho)

crazyL

**special-K** · 09-15-2006, 10:49 PM

$100 is about right.Less is great.But,it would have been better to have gotten the full conversion from the one truck(pulleys & brackets)whatever the price.

*trkklr77* · 09-16-2006, 04:55 AM

space it out, hell your only dealing with 30" tires in an on road only situation, its not like your going to rip the box off hopping speed bumps at the mall.

**special-K** · 09-16-2006, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by trkklr77

space it out, hell your only dealing with 30" tires in an on road only situation, its not like your going to rip the box off hopping speed bumps at the mall.

Are you sure about that.I`m no scientist,but I know there`s alot of force required to move a 4000# object forwards,backwards,sideways,up,or down.Yet,it`s easy to put one in the ditch.

cdowns · 09-16-2006, 07:07 AM

just zip tie it in place for some real halfassed engineering

Roachgod · 09-16-2006, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cdowns

just zip tie it in place for some real halfassed engineering

I prefer duct tape.

junkyardjohn · 09-16-2006, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdowns

just zip tie it in place for some real halfassed engineering

OR GLUE. I HEAR THAT NEW CRAZY GLUE WORKS WONDERS. WELL IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT 35 YEARS.. SO I GUESS IT'S NOT TOO NEW.

JOHN

**special-K** · 09-16-2006, 08:30 AM

JB-Weld!!I used to use bailing twine,but I moved off the farm.
Check the 69-72 Blazer section.I know they`re 4wds,but bolted directly to the frame from factory.Two guys,so far,are talking about the steering gear falling off from sheared bolts.Granted,it prolly started with a loose bolt or two.But,I`d be checkin`my bolts/washers for that purdy often on a homegrown p/s swap.

ThatOneBlue67 · 09-16-2006, 11:17 PM

Nima, don't have any pictures. Sure can get some though tomorrow after work.

When I mentioned about how "durable" the spacer idea was (concerning bad driving and what not) I was just pointing out that it's not that big a deal. Losing a 1/2" in the turning radius doesn't really haunt me and so far the tie rod and it's hardware is in tip-top shape (for being 40 years old atleast).

I'm not arguing that the dimple idea is stupid, as evidently it's stock on 69-72 trucks. All I'm getting at is that the spacer idea (whether it be wasehrs or a custom plate) shouldn't be ridiculed as "jerry-rigged" or anything like that.

crazy longhorn · 09-17-2006, 01:46 AM

Here you go.... http://www.classicperform.com/power6066.htm

L

nandress · 09-17-2006, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longhorn Man

becouse the gear is no longer riding on the hardened center portion and causes excelerated wear, and the added leverage can EASILY break the bold that hold it on.

I'm sorry for being stupid, but I don't quite understand what you mean. Are you talking about the shaft inside the box, or is the casing of the box supposed to be cradled in the dimple? And wouldn't the wear problem only be with the stock rag joint?

I'm just thinking that aftermarket u-joints can replace the rag joints and the box would never have a clue as to how axial the input shaft is. And it would take lot of force to break four grade eight bolts just by having the pitman arm offset from stock by a fraction. (Granted I haven't mapped out the geometry on one of these trucks, so it might be huge.)

Zeke · 09-17-2006, 07:03 AM

Just another thought...I think it was the bean counter who decided to add the dimple. Looking at the number of trucks built and the one time shot of adding the dimple versus adding spacers the assembler has to run the bolt thru, add changing the steering geometry?? and an additional part it's just plain cheaper.

**special-K** · 09-17-2006, 07:50 AM

They added the dimple just because the p/s box is physically larger.Hey,if it works...it`s your truck.But,when you alter/mod you`re on your own.Heck,look at all the frame-grafts out there.I`m sure there are plenty that would say that`s dangerous.And,it can be.I learned something reading that link to CPP.I always thought only a`75 or earlier steering box would fit a 67-72 4wd because I bought one from GM and that`s how it was listed.I`ve seen and heard of others using newer boxes and wondered what it took.It`s just that the hose fittings went to metric in`76 so you need those hoses to match.How simple is that?

dougs69c10 · 09-17-2006, 11:59 AM

granted i got a wicked discount b/c of work with napa, but I paid 147 dollars for a new reman p/s pump with res., power steering box, and pressure hose

09-15-2006, 03:37 PM	#1
Nima Blue 67 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Western WA Posts: 1,179	Did I waste my money?! I was off today therefore decided to go junk yard hunting for the rear hub snap ring that I ruined during my disc conversion process. After finding a C20 and taking the hubs off I noticed this power steering box and pump still on the engine. Since I don't have power steering I jumped at it. I paid $ 100 for it. Did I waste my money? Attached Images __________________ 1953 GMC 3/4 ton: current project 1967 C20: 5.3 voretc with T5 conversion, 4 wheel 8 lug disc brake 1972 Nova: my 4 door sport sedan! 5.3 voretc + T5 conversion. drivable project, FUN!! 1979 Camaro Z28: 5.3 vortec conversion with build TH350: drivable project, Fun to drive 1992 Camaro RS convertible (Z28 clone): 5.3 conversion with build T5: on going project 2005 Silverado 2500, 4x4 Duramax, original owner

09-15-2006, 04:04 PM	#2
indyracer Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alexandria, IN Posts: 134	Re: Did I waste my money?! I can't say if you wasted your money or not. I would guess that it depends on how bad you wanted power steering. Tony __________________ Cheers, Tony A day without sunshine is like, you know, night. 1970 Chevy CST10 (Green) 2005 Silverado Z71 2000 Pontiac Bonneville

09-15-2006, 04:22 PM	#3
jimmydean Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Beaverton, OR Posts: 3,728	Re: Did I waste my money?! I ask myself that same question every single day. As for the parts, I would agree with Tony. I got power steering free from the donor truck I bought for the motor. I could have gotten a setup of Craigs List for $30. But I have also seen people who ask $100+, but it's all in whay you're willing to pay. I would hope for that price it won't need a rebuild.

09-15-2006, 04:44 PM	#4
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	Re: Did I waste my money?! You'll have to heat and dimple your frame to do it right since you have a 67. Be ready for the brackets and pullies to not work. If they are in good shape, you did OK...a little steep for u-pull-it prices IMO, but I've seen worse.

09-15-2006, 08:05 PM	#5
southern parts Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Elberton Ga. Posts: 3,472	Re: Did I waste my money?! I dont think $100 is bad for a pump and gearbox. I`ve sold the pump and brackets alone for $75. Even if the pump is bad, Its cheap to rebuild.

09-15-2006, 08:35 PM	#6
junkyardjohn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SOMERSET KY. Posts: 6,425	Re: Did I waste my money?! THAT $100 WONT SEEM LIKE SQUAT WHEN YOUR TOOLIN DOWN THE ROAD WITH POWER STEERING. THATS A MUST-HAVE UPGRADE FOR ME. JOHN __________________ junkyardjohn 69 1 TON TOW TRUCK // 84 4WD CUCV BLAZER// 85 1 TON 4WD STAKE TRUCK// 86 M1031 5/4 TON 4WD CUCV// ALOT OF OLD TRUCKS FOR ONE OLD MAN TO DRIVE. THERES ROOM FOR ALL OF GODS CREATURES RIGHT NEXT TO MY MASHED POTATOES// LIFE MEMBER OF P.E.T.A (PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS) DON'T RENT U-HAUL ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH IT WILL AMAZE PART OF THE PEOPLE & ASTONISH THE REST

09-15-2006, 08:36 PM	#7
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09-15-2006, 09:30 PM	#8
ThatOneBlue67 I survived Dead Man's Curve. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Nine-Five-687 Posts: 389	Re: Did I waste my money?! You don't need to dimple the frame. Just space it out. You do not lose anything by doing it except unecessary metal work. I spaced mine out using washers. I do donuts, I go off jumps (would not recommend by the way), and just about everything stupid. The power steering still works 100 percent and it's all junkyard parts. It doesn't wear down anything, not that you should care because it's all junkyard parts in the first place. It doesn't even look tacky. It's too small and insignificant t even notice that it has been spaced out by washers. Everyone should be looking at the mill anyway No disrespect Longhorn Man as you definetly know what you're talking about and you're not a dick. But so far no one has proven to me as to why it MUST have a dimple and why spacing is so BAD. __________________ "The people should not be afraid of their government. The government should be afraid of it's people."* "The Hurricane" 1967 Chevrolet C10 350 Eight Cylinder, 700R4 BowtieOverdrive *Cherry Bomb...* Disturbing the Peace Since 1968. Last edited by ThatOneBlue67; 09-15-2006 at 09:37 PM. Reason: Addition

09-15-2006, 09:40 PM	#9
Nima Blue 67 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Western WA Posts: 1,179	Re: Did I waste my money?! thatOneblue67: Do you have any pictures of your set up? __________________ 1953 GMC 3/4 ton: current project 1967 C20: 5.3 voretc with T5 conversion, 4 wheel 8 lug disc brake 1972 Nova: my 4 door sport sedan! 5.3 voretc + T5 conversion. drivable project, FUN!! 1979 Camaro Z28: 5.3 vortec conversion with build TH350: drivable project, Fun to drive 1992 Camaro RS convertible (Z28 clone): 5.3 conversion with build T5: on going project 2005 Silverado 2500, 4x4 Duramax, original owner

09-15-2006, 09:47 PM	#10
_Dick_ PROUD TO BE A MEMBER Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Jax Florida Posts: 234	Re: Did I waste my money?! I paid $200 for a rebuilt pump on my 67 ,which ever system you use dimple or washers paint it shiny black with a dollar spray can and be happy good luck

09-15-2006, 09:48 PM	#11
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	Re: Did I waste my money?! becouse the gear is no longer riding on the hardened center portion and causes excelerated wear, and the added leverage can EASILY break the bold that hold it on. GM coulda saved a LOT of money by putting washers on longer bolts instead of retooling for a little dimple. I'll be the first to call the idiots at GM retards... but I have to side with them on this. Heat the frame till it's red, beat it with a large ball peen hammer, and let it cool slowly.

09-15-2006, 10:45 PM	#12
crazy longhorn Fabricate till you "puke" Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ill Posts: 9,402	Re: Did I waste my money?! While i dont agree with washers to space the box.....I would prefer to build a steel "plate type" spacer to bolt the box on the frame, as to heating it. the box does need to be centered when the truck is running straight, but the adjustment can be made up in the tierods. The only down side would be the turning radius will be a tad shorter one way(1/2" shouldnt hurt too much tho) crazyL __________________ 69 longhorn,4" chop,3/5 drop, 1/2 ton suspension/disc brakes,1 1/2" body drop,steel tilt clip, 5.3/Edelbrock rpm intake/600 carb, Hooker streetrod shorties,2 1/2" exhaust/ H pipe/50's Flows , 6 spd Richmond trans,12 bolt/ 3.40 gears.... Last edited by crazy longhorn; 09-15-2006 at 10:47 PM. Reason: spelling

09-15-2006, 10:49 PM	#13
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: Did I waste my money?! $100 is about right.Less is great.But,it would have been better to have gotten the full conversion from the one truck(pulleys & brackets)whatever the price. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

09-16-2006, 04:55 AM	#14
trkklr77 Account Suspended Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: vacaville ca, because it as far from indy as i can be Posts: 775	Re: Did I waste my money?! space it out, hell your only dealing with 30" tires in an on road only situation, its not like your going to rip the box off hopping speed bumps at the mall.

09-16-2006, 07:07 AM	#16
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09-16-2006, 08:30 AM	#19
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: Did I waste my money?! JB-Weld!!I used to use bailing twine,but I moved off the farm. Check the 69-72 Blazer section.I know they`re 4wds,but bolted directly to the frame from factory.Two guys,so far,are talking about the steering gear falling off from sheared bolts.Granted,it prolly started with a loose bolt or two.But,I`d be checkin`my bolts/washers for that purdy often on a homegrown p/s swap. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~ Last edited by special-K; 09-17-2006 at 07:51 AM.

09-16-2006, 11:17 PM	#20
ThatOneBlue67 I survived Dead Man's Curve. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Nine-Five-687 Posts: 389	Re: Did I waste my money?! Nima, don't have any pictures. Sure can get some though tomorrow after work. When I mentioned about how "durable" the spacer idea was (concerning bad driving and what not) I was just pointing out that it's not that big a deal. Losing a 1/2" in the turning radius doesn't really haunt me and so far the tie rod and it's hardware is in tip-top shape (for being 40 years old atleast). I'm not arguing that the dimple idea is stupid, as evidently it's stock on 69-72 trucks. All I'm getting at is that the spacer idea (whether it be wasehrs or a custom plate) shouldn't be ridiculed as "jerry-rigged" or anything like that. __________________ "The people should not be afraid of their government. The government should be afraid of it's people." "The Hurricane" 1967 Chevrolet C10 350 Eight Cylinder, 700R4 BowtieOverdrive *Cherry Bomb...* Disturbing the Peace Since 1968. Last edited by ThatOneBlue67; 09-16-2006 at 11:21 PM. Reason: Addition

09-17-2006, 01:46 AM	#21
crazy longhorn Fabricate till you "puke" Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ill Posts: 9,402	Re: Did I waste my money?! Here you go.... http://www.classicperform.com/power6066.htm L __________________ 69 longhorn,4" chop,3/5 drop, 1/2 ton suspension/disc brakes,1 1/2" body drop,steel tilt clip, 5.3/Edelbrock rpm intake/600 carb, Hooker streetrod shorties,2 1/2" exhaust/ H pipe/50's Flows , 6 spd Richmond trans,12 bolt/ 3.40 gears....

09-17-2006, 07:03 AM	#23
Zeke Active Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: L.A. Lower Alabama Posts: 453	Re: Did I waste my money?! Just another thought...I think it was the bean counter who decided to add the dimple. Looking at the number of trucks built and the one time shot of adding the dimple versus adding spacers the assembler has to run the bolt thru, add changing the steering geometry?? and an additional part it's just plain cheaper. __________________ 1969 C10 350 3spd 1995 GMC 3500 XC 350 dually When Thomas Edison worked late into the night on the electric light, he had to do it by gas lamp or candle. I'm sure it made the work seem that much more urgent. George Carlin

09-17-2006, 07:50 AM	#24
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: Did I waste my money?! They added the dimple just because the p/s box is physically larger.Hey,if it works...it`s your truck.But,when you alter/mod you`re on your own.Heck,look at all the frame-grafts out there.I`m sure there are plenty that would say that`s dangerous.And,it can be.I learned something reading that link to CPP.I always thought only a`75 or earlier steering box would fit a 67-72 4wd because I bought one from GM and that`s how it was listed.I`ve seen and heard of others using newer boxes and wondered what it took.It`s just that the hose fittings went to metric in`76 so you need those hoses to match.How simple is that? __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

09-17-2006, 11:59 AM	#25
dougs69c10 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Birmingham,Alabama Posts: 260	Re: Did I waste my money?! granted i got a wicked discount b/c of work with napa, but I paid 147 dollars for a new reman p/s pump with res., power steering box, and pressure hose __________________ 1969 c10 stepside 250 inline six, 4speed granny tranny, 4.11 posi rear end

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