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**John Fabris** · 10-24-2006, 11:01 AM

Hi All,

Here is a new one that I have not seen... Guy converted a 2wd coil spring truck to a 4x4 truck, but kept the rear coils and trailing arms....
I know this is not where to post trucks for sale from other places, but I am more commenting on how he converted it from 2by to 4by...

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glock35ipsc · 10-24-2006, 11:12 AM

From the one picture, it looks like the axle is under the trailing arms. Interesting! Can't tell what the two tabs or brackets are that are hanging down inboard from the trailing arms are though.....

70rs/ss · 10-24-2006, 01:47 PM

That would be a better ride and the rear axle can articulate a lot more, but if you tweek it enough, the bolt holding the spring on is taking all the brunt!! You can get the axle mount pads new, and just swap left for right and putem under the axle instead of on top, get some lift out of it at the same time. I don't know about turning a good 2wd short bed into 4X4, but to each their own!!

ryanroo · 10-24-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 70rs/ss

I don't know about turning a good 2wd short bed into 4X4, but to each their own!!

im not sure why you wouldn't...

ryan

67ChevyRedneck · 10-24-2006, 01:56 PM

Panhard bars can only move so much, right? I think I saw on "Extreme 4x4" where they made some adjustable ones....

Looks to be a sharp truck.

70rs/ss · 10-24-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 67ChevyRedneck

Panhard bars can only move so much, right? I think I saw on "Extreme 4x4" where they made some adjustable ones....

Looks to be a sharp truck.

Yeah, but that spring is it. Up and down the panhard doesn't really regulate that but it does on the side to side. It is a great setup and they use it in one form or another in the CORE trucks, it works or he wouldn't be driving it!!

ghetto_superman · 10-24-2006, 02:36 PM

can you say... sand dunes? hehe that would be lotsa fun!!..

*trkklr77* · 10-24-2006, 04:29 PM

petersons did a write up truck about doing this to a 65, but they never finished the truck. the 2 part artcile was more about how to set things up from scratch, put a motor in that not only doesnt belong but with no exsiting referance points, how to setup a custom axle and so on. i wanted to do this to my 65 but i just didnt have the ablity when i had the truck.

jacobs · 10-24-2006, 06:43 PM

When I converted my 70 c/10 to 4x4, I installed leaf springs. If I'd have left my old coil springs in, it would have saved a lot of work. I'm sure this is why they left the coils in.

stepn67 · 10-24-2006, 06:54 PM

In an old issue of 4X4 mag, there was a similar conversion where the rear was mounted under the trailing arms and the front used a chevy axle mated to ford arms with the spring cups, and standard 3/4 ton front springs, using the standard 2 wheel drive crossmember. The set-up looked good and the only major fabrication was a crossmember for the ford arms.

LUV2XCLR8 · 10-24-2006, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Fabris

Here is a new one that I have not seen... Guy converted a 2wd coil spring
truck to a 4x4 truck, but kept the rear coils and trailing arms....

Well, that's different alright

724wdcopper · 10-24-2006, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stepn67

In an old issue of 4X4 mag, there was a similar conversion where the rear was mounted under the trailing arms and the front used a chevy axle mated to ford arms with the spring cups, and standard 3/4 ton front springs, using the standard 2 wheel drive crossmember. The set-up looked good and the only major fabrication was a crossmember for the ford arms.

that was the white 72 in 4WOR, right? i have that issue somewhere. white truck blue ford front suspension. different...

smbrouss70 · 10-26-2006, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stepn67

In an old issue of 4X4 mag, there was a similar conversion where the rear was mounted under the trailing arms and the front used a chevy axle mated to ford arms with the spring cups, and standard 3/4 ton front springs, using the standard 2 wheel drive crossmember. The set-up looked good and the only major fabrication was a crossmember for the ford arms.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 724wdcopper

that was the white 72 in 4WOR, right? i have that issue somewhere. white truck blue ford front suspension. different...

If one of you can find that article, I'd like to see some pics of that! I can't quite wrap my head around how that would work.

stepn67 · 10-26-2006, 03:02 PM

'70,
Can't find the mag, but the diagram shows the basic idea.

vtblazer · 10-26-2006, 07:26 PM

Factory 4x4 4-link...right?

Kinda like it, has promise IMO.

skchevota · 10-26-2006, 08:16 PM

Mine was a hevy duty 2wd when I converted it to 4x4 so I already had rear leafs. But in an effort to make it ride better I swaped in the coil set up , using f150 front coils and stock chevy arms with the axle mounted on the bottom, it woked great till I cracked one of the arms. then I made stronger bars and replaced the springs with air bags, now I am back to leafs. the coils and bags sure road better, but with a lifted 4x4 I was woried about blowing a bag on the highway, I think dropping down over a foot would be bad..

onetonk5 · 10-26-2006, 09:17 PM

i wouldnt call it a 4 link.......more like triangulated trailing arms and a panhard....i thought about it years ago....but never did anything with the idea....i would think without too much angle in the bars it would work pretty well. cup cars have used them for years so you know the locating strength is there but there not going to really twist like a 4 link would....not that its all that necessary. i think that rear seetup combined with a ford style front radius arm setup you could get some great ride/drive quality.

roj2323 · 10-26-2006, 10:21 PM

i think the main concern would be adding a swivel joint to the front of the trailing arms as that would be a major stress point. i would also probalby go to a whatts link or 3 link instead of the panhard bar. otherwise i don't see any reason why doing this conversion would be difficult or unrealistic.

as a perk nascar allready uses a swivel joint for there trailing arms. lucky for us they slide right in the bushing sleaves and are somewhat cheap.

krue · 10-27-2006, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skchevota

Mine was a hevy duty 2wd when I converted it to 4x4 so I already had rear leafs. But in an effort to make it ride better I swaped in the coil set up , using f150 front coils and stock chevy arms with the axle mounted on the bottom, it woked great till I cracked one of the arms. then I made stronger bars and replaced the springs with air bags, now I am back to leafs. the coils and bags sure road better, but with a lifted 4x4 I was woried about blowing a bag on the highway, I think dropping down over a foot would be bad..

Would love to see pics of that setup if you have any.

vtblazer · 10-27-2006, 06:25 AM

[QUOTE=onetonk5;1845347]i wouldnt call it a 4 link...QUOTE]

but for my short post it worked...

jays68yak · 10-27-2006, 11:01 AM

It the new 4wheel mag there is a write on an FJ that has the same thing done to the rear, but hea also added to upper links to trianglulate it and possibly not run a panhard bar.

LostMy65 · 05-16-2022, 12:37 AM

Just googled 4x4 with trailing arms and this thread popped up.
Other than it being odd, what really would be an issue?

**Richard** · 05-16-2022, 01:54 AM

An old thread, pretty cool. Thought about this on my project. Would not have used stock trailing arms. The custom Deaver spring packs I chose will work for me and kept cost lower. I started with a rear leaf truck though. Love to see custom mods people do.

**special-K** · 05-16-2022, 07:46 AM

Back then I recall seeing a Grapefruit Yellow Suburban converted to 4wd, retaining the coil rear suspension. It was lifted with big tires. That makes two I know of, but none since.

CG · 05-16-2022, 02:29 PM

When I brought this up on the 4x4 side a little while back Tim you mentioned that Burb and I was pretty sure I knew the one you were talking about. I searched the board for a long time trying to find it, but Ive never been the greatest at search. I personally like the idea of converting like this. I have a set of cucv ten bolt axels that have been sitting in the barn forever. It keeps me thinking of this swap, but I also think realistically Ill never do it and should just put the axles on Craigslist.

10-24-2006, 11:01 AM	#1
John Fabris TOTY 2006 Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Magalia CA USA Posts: 2,270	Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms Hi All, Here is a new one that I have not seen... Guy converted a 2wd coil spring truck to a 4x4 truck, but kept the rear coils and trailing arms.... I know this is not where to post trucks for sale from other places, but I am more commenting on how he converted it from 2by to 4by... Craigslist ad __________________ John Fabris 67 C10 SWB

10-24-2006, 11:12 AM	#2
glock35ipsc Next project: 1970 K10 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Fort Collins, Colo 80524 Posts: 6,684	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms From the one picture, it looks like the axle is under the trailing arms. Interesting! Can't tell what the two tabs or brackets are that are hanging down inboard from the trailing arms are though..... __________________ *Bob* 1970 Chevy K10 LWB "Goldie" 350/TH350 *next project!!* 1981 Chevy C10 LWB 355/TH350 - My son's truck LS SWAP FORUM! Tons of LS swap info here! PLEASE CLICK HERE TO SUPPORT THE GREATEST BOARD ON THE NET! CLICK HERE FOR THE FAQ INDEX by KRUE Last edited by glock35ipsc; 10-24-2006 at 11:13 AM.

10-24-2006, 01:47 PM	#3
70rs/ss Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,270	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms That would be a better ride and the rear axle can articulate a lot more, but if you tweek it enough, the bolt holding the spring on is taking all the brunt!! You can get the axle mount pads new, and just swap left for right and putem under the axle instead of on top, get some lift out of it at the same time. I don't know about turning a good 2wd short bed into 4X4, but to each their own!!

10-24-2006, 01:56 PM	#5
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms Panhard bars can only move so much, right? I think I saw on "Extreme 4x4" where they made some adjustable ones.... Looks to be a sharp truck. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications! Last edited by 67ChevyRedneck; 10-24-2006 at 01:57 PM.

10-24-2006, 02:36 PM	#7
ghetto_superman Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 1,982	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms can you say... sand dunes? hehe that would be lotsa fun!!..

10-24-2006, 04:29 PM	#8
trkklr77 Account Suspended Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: vacaville ca, because it as far from indy as i can be Posts: 775	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms petersons did a write up truck about doing this to a 65, but they never finished the truck. the 2 part artcile was more about how to set things up from scratch, put a motor in that not only doesnt belong but with no exsiting referance points, how to setup a custom axle and so on. i wanted to do this to my 65 but i just didnt have the ablity when i had the truck.

10-24-2006, 06:43 PM	#9
jacobs Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 9000' Mountain Man Posts: 326	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms When I converted my 70 c/10 to 4x4, I installed leaf springs. If I'd have left my old coil springs in, it would have saved a lot of work. I'm sure this is why they left the coils in.

10-24-2006, 06:54 PM	#10
stepn67 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 140	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms In an old issue of 4X4 mag, there was a similar conversion where the rear was mounted under the trailing arms and the front used a chevy axle mated to ford arms with the spring cups, and standard 3/4 ton front springs, using the standard 2 wheel drive crossmember. The set-up looked good and the only major fabrication was a crossmember for the ford arms.

10-26-2006, 03:02 PM	#14
stepn67 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 140	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms '70, Can't find the mag, but the diagram shows the basic idea. Attached Images

10-26-2006, 07:26 PM	#15
vtblazer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Vermont Posts: 8,537	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms Factory 4x4 4-link...right? Kinda like it, has promise IMO.

10-26-2006, 08:16 PM	#16
skchevota Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Evans, Colorado Posts: 530	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms Mine was a hevy duty 2wd when I converted it to 4x4 so I already had rear leafs. But in an effort to make it ride better I swaped in the coil set up , using f150 front coils and stock chevy arms with the axle mounted on the bottom, it woked great till I cracked one of the arms. then I made stronger bars and replaced the springs with air bags, now I am back to leafs. the coils and bags sure road better, but with a lifted 4x4 I was woried about blowing a bag on the highway, I think dropping down over a foot would be bad..

10-26-2006, 09:17 PM	#17
onetonk5 Cereal Killer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Montgomery, Alabama Posts: 639	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms i wouldnt call it a 4 link.......more like triangulated trailing arms and a panhard....i thought about it years ago....but never did anything with the idea....i would think without too much angle in the bars it would work pretty well. cup cars have used them for years so you know the locating strength is there but there not going to really twist like a 4 link would....not that its all that necessary. i think that rear seetup combined with a ford style front radius arm setup you could get some great ride/drive quality.

10-26-2006, 10:21 PM	#18
roj2323 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 985	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms i think the main concern would be adding a swivel joint to the front of the trailing arms as that would be a major stress point. i would also probalby go to a whatts link or 3 link instead of the panhard bar. otherwise i don't see any reason why doing this conversion would be difficult or unrealistic. as a perk nascar allready uses a swivel joint for there trailing arms. lucky for us they slide right in the bushing sleaves and are somewhat cheap.

10-27-2006, 06:25 AM	#20
vtblazer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Vermont Posts: 8,537	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms [QUOTE=onetonk5;1845347]i wouldnt call it a 4 link...QUOTE] but for my short post it worked...

10-27-2006, 11:01 AM	#21
jays68yak Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gilroy, CA Posts: 1,453	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms It the new 4wheel mag there is a write on an FJ that has the same thing done to the rear, but hea also added to upper links to trianglulate it and possibly not run a panhard bar. __________________ 1969 Chevy Project SWB Fleet, 20s, 5.3, t56, in the weeds. 1970 Chevy Truck cab on a 1979 Jimmy frame-8.1 liter 496 bbc/sm465/np203-jeds doubler-np205/d60/14bff Welded/42 tsls on recentered H1s 1998 Chevy Crew Cab K3500 SAS'd with hpd60, links and swayaway coilovers. 8.1l vortec DD/towrig "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me. "



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05-16-2022, 12:37 AM	#22
LostMy65 But Found Her 25yrs Later! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Oregon City, Oregon Posts: 10,530	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms Just googled 4x4 with trailing arms and this thread popped up. Other than it being odd, what really would be an issue? __________________ I lost my 65 - Found it 25 years later: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=426650 66 C20 Service Truck: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=428035

05-16-2022, 01:54 AM	#23
Richard Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,881	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms An old thread, pretty cool. Thought about this on my project. Would not have used stock trailing arms. The custom Deaver spring packs I chose will work for me and kept cost lower. I started with a rear leaf truck though. Love to see custom mods people do. __________________ Richard 1972 K10 Custom Deluxe SWB Fleetside My build https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=800746

05-16-2022, 07:46 AM	#24
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms Back then I recall seeing a Grapefruit Yellow Suburban converted to 4wd, retaining the coil rear suspension. It was lifted with big tires. That makes two I know of, but none since. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

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CG BlahBlahBlah Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wa. Posts: 20,019	Re: Have not seen this one before... 4x4 using trailing arms When I brought this up on the 4x4 side a little while back Tim you mentioned that Burb and I was pretty sure I knew the one you were talking about. I searched the board for a long time trying to find it, but Ive never been the greatest at search. I personally like the idea of converting like this. I have a set of cucv ten bolt axels that have been sitting in the barn forever. It keeps me thinking of this swap, but I also think realistically Ill never do it and should just put the axles on Craigslist. __________________ … … … … … … … … ... … … … … … … … … … … …

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