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killer71 · 03-13-2007, 11:32 AM

Looking at the 2004r from bowtie overdrive. Wandering if any of you guys out
there are running this type of transmission and what you think?

Sonny · 03-13-2007, 11:50 AM

They say this is a great tranny if you have 3:73 gears. I was gonna use a 2004R until I got a great deal for my 700R4 that I couldn't pass up.

killer71 · 03-13-2007, 11:55 AM

how much did it lower your rpm

Sonny · 03-13-2007, 01:23 PM

A ton. I was running a TH400 with a 2400 stall and I would be turning something around 3500 @ 55-60 mph. Now it is somewhere around 1800-2000 @ 55-60 and I think around 2200-2500 @ 70mph. I haven't drove it in a while so I am not sure how close my numbers are. The only thing now is it is really easy to smoke the tires.

67ChevyRedneck · 03-13-2007, 01:36 PM

I had a straight six, 3 speed manual, 3.73 rear and I was spinning about 3500 at 60 mph. I swapped a 350 and 700R4 and it's only about 1800 RPM at 60 mph in OD. I can do 75 at about 22-2300 rpm. Didn't see a big mpg improvement (about 11 with old set-up to 13 city/mix). I can squeeze 15-16 out of it on the hwy, but I don't get to drive without hitting a stoplight for very long around here

1lowdiesel · 03-13-2007, 01:48 PM

this is funny right now i'm in the process of looking for a 700r4 and been looking for some feedback on the different trans's but it sounds like everyone is happy w/ their 700. now all's thats left is to find one.

killer71 · 03-13-2007, 01:53 PM

Well and yall can correct me but from what i read with the 2004r it is supposedly the same size as the turbo 350 so all you may need to move is the crossmember and you can keep your existing drive shaft. There supposed to be pretty durable, shift smoother than the 700r4, and have a higher o.d. gear?????????????

Sonny · 03-13-2007, 01:58 PM

Try and find one out of a vette or get one rebuilt with corvette internals and servo. They can use a different stronger basket that lets them use an additional clutch disc and less prone to breakage. There are a couple other things they can do to beef up the tranny so ask around if you get one rebuilt. The guy that did mine is known around here for building some bulletproof racing trannys and I am very happy with mine.

67ChevyRedneck · 03-13-2007, 02:07 PM

I think the 200 and 700 both use a .7 to 1 ratio, or a 30% reduction in gearing. I think the 4L60E's a .67 to 1 or 33%. Been a while since I looked, but I think those are correct.

Either way, 30 or 33% in an old truck isn't much of a difference, your tire choices would have more of an affect on mpg than 3% more OD.

RACINJASON22 · 03-13-2007, 02:14 PM

Here's a link for ya.
http://members.aol.com/powerrslid/thm2004r.html

killer71 · 03-13-2007, 02:29 PM

thanks for the info mr. racinjacin22

cooters · 03-14-2007, 08:43 AM

the bonus to 200r4 is the ability to have full throttle in overdrive. A 700 will not unless you modify them. If a 200 can handle a Grand National, they will handle yours as long as you dont pull heavy loads

Sonny · 03-14-2007, 12:29 PM

Cooters you are dead on about the 700 not wanting to stay in OD at full throttle. I found out the hard way and luckily I only turned it about 5500 when I found out....

I keep forgetting to ask my tranny guy what needs to be modded so I can WOT in OD.

Sonny

67ChevyRedneck · 03-14-2007, 12:39 PM

Every GM automatic OD vehicle I've ever driven (and it's been a lot of them) drops to 3rd under WOT conditions.

speedracer · 03-14-2007, 12:44 PM

I have a 2004r from a 86 monte ss. I going to mod some of the internals soon to see how much more I can get out of it. Its supposed to have a lower first then a 700 for a better launch. The monte ss's came with 3.73 rears but had smaller tires. I put it in at the same time as my new rear I when from a th350 and a 3.08 gear to the 2004r with a 3.73 gear, without lockup on the highway was almost the same rpm. With lockup a little lower. Only have to move the crossmember the holes are the the driveshaft fits. Hope this rambling helps

cooters · 03-14-2007, 04:03 PM

B&M makes a wide open throttle kit for the 700, its an easy install. A t 350 and 400 will stay in 3rd as long as you are going fast enough. My friend has a mega hp grand national and with some mods, the tranny is good but now he is going to a 4l80 instead.

03-13-2007, 11:32 AM	#1
killer71 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: at work Posts: 2,552	2004R transmission Looking at the 2004r from bowtie overdrive. Wandering if any of you guys out there are running this type of transmission and what you think? __________________ R.I.P. Killer 71 10/26/07

03-13-2007, 11:50 AM	#2
Sonny Active Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Centerville, GA Posts: 240	Re: 2004R transmission They say this is a great tranny if you have 3:73 gears. I was gonna use a 2004R until I got a great deal for my 700R4 that I couldn't pass up.

03-13-2007, 11:55 AM	#3
killer71 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: at work Posts: 2,552	Re: 2004R transmission how much did it lower your rpm __________________ R.I.P. Killer 71 10/26/07

03-13-2007, 01:23 PM	#4
Sonny Active Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Centerville, GA Posts: 240	Re: 2004R transmission A ton. I was running a TH400 with a 2400 stall and I would be turning something around 3500 @ 55-60 mph. Now it is somewhere around 1800-2000 @ 55-60 and I think around 2200-2500 @ 70mph. I haven't drove it in a while so I am not sure how close my numbers are. The only thing now is it is really easy to smoke the tires.

03-13-2007, 01:36 PM	#5
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: 2004R transmission I had a straight six, 3 speed manual, 3.73 rear and I was spinning about 3500 at 60 mph. I swapped a 350 and 700R4 and it's only about 1800 RPM at 60 mph in OD. I can do 75 at about 22-2300 rpm. Didn't see a big mpg improvement (about 11 with old set-up to 13 city/mix). I can squeeze 15-16 out of it on the hwy, but I don't get to drive without hitting a stoplight for very long around here __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

03-13-2007, 01:48 PM	#6
1lowdiesel Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: central jersey Posts: 763	Re: 2004R transmission this is funny right now i'm in the process of looking for a 700r4 and been looking for some feedback on the different trans's but it sounds like everyone is happy w/ their 700. now all's thats left is to find one. __________________ 69 4wd V6 20k orig miles!! 05 ccsb 2wd Diesel 500hp bagged and soon to be stock floored. 01 rcsb chevy 2wd 6bt cummins :devil:> build xtremediesel.com

03-13-2007, 01:53 PM	#7
killer71 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: at work Posts: 2,552	Re: 2004R transmission Well and yall can correct me but from what i read with the 2004r it is supposedly the same size as the turbo 350 so all you may need to move is the crossmember and you can keep your existing drive shaft. There supposed to be pretty durable, shift smoother than the 700r4, and have a higher o.d. gear????????????? __________________ R.I.P. Killer 71 10/26/07

03-13-2007, 01:58 PM	#8
Sonny Active Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Centerville, GA Posts: 240	Re: 2004R transmission Try and find one out of a vette or get one rebuilt with corvette internals and servo. They can use a different stronger basket that lets them use an additional clutch disc and less prone to breakage. There are a couple other things they can do to beef up the tranny so ask around if you get one rebuilt. The guy that did mine is known around here for building some bulletproof racing trannys and I am very happy with mine.

03-13-2007, 02:07 PM	#9
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: 2004R transmission I think the 200 and 700 both use a .7 to 1 ratio, or a 30% reduction in gearing. I think the 4L60E's a .67 to 1 or 33%. Been a while since I looked, but I think those are correct. Either way, 30 or 33% in an old truck isn't much of a difference, your tire choices would have more of an affect on mpg than 3% more OD. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications! Last edited by 67ChevyRedneck; 03-13-2007 at 02:08 PM.

03-13-2007, 02:14 PM	#10
RACINJASON22 GEARHEAD Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CENTRAL,PA Posts: 2,284	Re: 2004R transmission Here's a link for ya. http://members.aol.com/powerrslid/thm2004r.html __________________ 72 SWB 2WD MY PROJECT 72 LWB 4X4 FUTURE PROJECT SUBSCRIBE HEREBOARD VENDORS HERE NORWOOD MEET SURVIVOR!

03-13-2007, 02:29 PM	#11
killer71 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: at work Posts: 2,552	Re: 2004R transmission thanks for the info mr. racinjacin22 __________________ R.I.P. Killer 71 10/26/07

03-14-2007, 08:43 AM	#12
cooters Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonton Alberta Posts: 458	Re: 2004R transmission the bonus to 200r4 is the ability to have full throttle in overdrive. A 700 will not unless you modify them. If a 200 can handle a Grand National, they will handle yours as long as you dont pull heavy loads

03-14-2007, 12:29 PM	#13
Sonny Active Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Centerville, GA Posts: 240	Re: 2004R transmission Cooters you are dead on about the 700 not wanting to stay in OD at full throttle. I found out the hard way and luckily I only turned it about 5500 when I found out.... I keep forgetting to ask my tranny guy what needs to be modded so I can WOT in OD. Sonny

03-14-2007, 12:39 PM	#14
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: 2004R transmission Every GM automatic OD vehicle I've ever driven (and it's been a lot of them) drops to 3rd under WOT conditions. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

03-14-2007, 12:44 PM	#15
speedracer Blank Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southington, CT Posts: 221	Re: 2004R transmission I have a 2004r from a 86 monte ss. I going to mod some of the internals soon to see how much more I can get out of it. Its supposed to have a lower first then a 700 for a better launch. The monte ss's came with 3.73 rears but had smaller tires. I put it in at the same time as my new rear I when from a th350 and a 3.08 gear to the 2004r with a 3.73 gear, without lockup on the highway was almost the same rpm. With lockup a little lower. Only have to move the crossmember the holes are the the driveshaft fits. Hope this rambling helps __________________ 1969 lwb 4/6 drop 17x8-18x10 torque thrust II's 327-420hp 2004R 3.73 posi. 1977 Corvette 350-375hp 4speed, silver show car. 2002 S10 xtreme, work truck 2004.5 VW jetta GLI 1.8T 6speed, weekend warrior. 2013 Audi A3 TDI, the wife's car



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03-14-2007, 04:03 PM	#16
cooters Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonton Alberta Posts: 458	Re: 2004R transmission B&M makes a wide open throttle kit for the 700, its an easy install. A t 350 and 400 will stay in 3rd as long as you are going fast enough. My friend has a mega hp grand national and with some mods, the tranny is good but now he is going to a 4l80 instead.

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