Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

Jondotcom · 04-12-2007, 08:59 PM

So as you can tell from my post count I'm fairly new here and I've been trying over the last few weeks to find a truck worthy of restoration. Is it just me, or does "no rust" or "surface rust" always mean holes in the floorboards?

The truck I looked at last night was described as having minor surface rust, while the lower 6" of the fender had literally rusted off. When you opened the door, you could see through the threshhold, and at the bottoms of the kick panels the metal was gone!

I was about to look at another "no rust" truck today, but after some prodding to have the seller look at some target areas (lower door, threshhold, kick panel and floorboard at carpet edge), as soon as I heard "minor bubbling" I knew it was over.

I'm really getting discouraged. Are all 1967-1972 C10/ C20s going to have more than surface rust in the cab? I'm so stinking disappointed right now

*72CSTC5* · 04-12-2007, 09:01 PM

Pretty much, if you find one without rust it must be a "virgin".

JTK20 · 04-12-2007, 09:16 PM

Yeah you can almost never trust any description that says "surface ruist", "rust free", "minor rust", "minimal rust", etc. When I was younger some rich guy inherited his dad's 87 Chevy 4x4 and I was in contact with him for a day or 2 before I decided to drive an hour to look at it. He said there was just a little bit of rust on the front fenders, and that was it. When I got down there, the front fenders were almost gone and the doors looked like they would fall apart if I closed them too hard.

A couple days ago I called/emailed a guy about a truck he had on Craigslist. The ad contained pictures of a brown truck about 30-40 feet away (yeah, like you're going to see rust in those pictures

). He said there was hardly any rust on the truck, so I asked him for more photos and he agreed to send them the next day. Now mind you, this was an older gentleman and very friendly, and he took excellent pictures. However, when I got them, the first line said "there was a little more rust than I remembered, but it's not too bad". Basically the back half of the rear wheelwells were missing, the underside of the bed looked horrible, the bottom of the back panel of the cab was gone, both cab corners were gone, and the front fenders (inner and outer) were beyond any sort of repair. When I told him I would pass, he said "digital pictures can be deceiving". Yeah, right.

19673ontree · 04-12-2007, 09:22 PM

67 to 72 truck's RUST , depending on where you live it may be better or worse , here in southrust virginia where I live they didn't just rust they literally DESINTEGRATED !!!!!!!!!!!! I mean the darn thing's rusted to the door handle's ,, finding a truck that was bought new in virginia and stayed here in good shape ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it ain't happening !!!!!!
I have had these truck's all my life and just worked with the rusted junk from around here till about 10 year's ago and I just said the heck with it !!
I kept a 1967 c10 in the back of my head all the while and last fall was down in knoxville tenn when I found a gem of a 1967 short fleet c10 !!
had to pay more than I wanted but it's now mine ,,,,,
anyway look in states without coal truck's that is what caused the problem's here , on the net on ebay once in a great while you will see a good 67 to 72 truck for sale , I have looked on ebay for them for year's and would say that maybe 1/2 dozen of them a year pop up , hundred's upon hundred's of rusted junk , take your time ,,, hope you find a good one ,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Jondotcom · 04-12-2007, 09:25 PM

Yeah, these have been craigslist trucks. Actually the first truck I looked at wasn't bad rust-wise, but the fact he cut the dash for a bigger stereo and that he "accidentally" loaded it up with 4500 lbs of concrete from a backhoe didn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling either

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**jerry moss** · 04-12-2007, 10:53 PM

i had a guy bring a 69 CST/20 that had "a little rust" that he wanted to sell me. after looking it over for a couple seconds it was obvious he had his statement backwards, it had very little metal that wasn't rusted. i told him i wasn't interested in buying in it--he wanted $200.00 minus the big block, i ended up buying it WITH the running big block for 200 bucks. pulled the motor and trans and towed the rest to the wrecking yard. a lot of people have different opinions on "RUST".

GREASEMONKEY72 · 04-13-2007, 12:22 AM

rust is a powerfull thing......

to many people under estimate rust and you get what you think is minor and ends up being a rolling pile of rust ready for the boneyard in the sky where it can run around rust free and happy and no longer in its misary

(hey my 1000 post

)

cstm68 · 04-13-2007, 12:27 AM

if it says no rust and you see no rust that there is rust under bondo!
thats how my rockers were i started sanding alittle and then it just fell appart and i had no rockers. well i did, but they were chunks of bondo on the garage floor

72armyswbtruck · 04-13-2007, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jerry moss

i had a guy bring a 69 CST/20 that had "a little rust" that he wanted to sell me. after looking it over for a couple seconds it was obvious he had his statement backwards, it had very little metal that wasn't rusted. i told him i wasn't interested in buying in it--he wanted $200.00 minus the big block, i ended up buying it WITH the running big block for 200 bucks. pulled the motor and trans and towed the rest to the wrecking yard. a lot of people have different opinions on "RUST".

That's a shame, did you atleast strip the interior and everything else first?

The Hard Way · 04-13-2007, 12:41 AM

I see that you're in the Bay Area, why don't you give Vintage Chevy Truck Parts a call? Bill's a site supporter and he's in Fremont. I bought a cab from him after I discovered my rockers, inner rockers, and just about every other panel in my cab was toast.

ks147j111928 · 04-13-2007, 12:52 AM

at least this guy is up front about the actual rusted areas (everywhere):
would be worth it for the BB, AC, PS and PB...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1968-...QQcmdZViewItem
I'd keep the bullet hole in the dash, adds character!

Jondotcom · 04-13-2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Hard Way

I see that you're in the Bay Area, why don't you give Vintage Chevy Truck Parts a call? Bill's a site supporter and he's in Fremont. I bought a cab from him after I discovered my rockers, inner rockers, and just about every other panel in my cab was toast.

Thanks, will do. I'm actually in Fremont too.

**Bob B.** · 04-13-2007, 05:25 AM

My '67 really did have just surface rust on it when I bought it. Wasn't much of the original paint left on it, but it wasn't hiding anything either. My hood was pitted bad enough that I replaced it. But, the door bottoms, cab corners, cowl, front fender and bed were fine. As a former Mopar restorer/enthusiast (O.K., I will admit I still like them!) I know all about rust.

**special-K** · 04-13-2007, 05:59 AM

I like the 99% rustfree claims.1% could be a hole rusted through the body for 1" all the way around the bottom.Figure a truck with rusted cab corners,rockers,supports,door corners,cowl,kick panel/floor area,bedfloor at rear crossmember,core support corner,right fender cup,front edge of inner fenders,and wheel arches is better than 90% rustfree.
I`ve found rustfree trucks in every part of the country.It all depends on exposure to the eminant threat.
I don`t go by anyone`s description on rust.I use it to decide on going to look or not,after asking "my" questions and getting those answers.

Rokcrln · 04-13-2007, 07:04 AM

Just find the best one you can and have the rest repaired!

Kevin
LFD Inc.

jb4short · 04-13-2007, 07:26 AM

rust is good....LOL

**STP67-72** · 04-13-2007, 07:55 AM

The word RUST FREE is about like the word CLEAN. The word clean has several definitions. I have looked at several clean rust free trucks. JUNK I drove about five hours to look at the cleanest truck in East Texas years ago, and it had sheetmetal pop riveted on the kick panels. That was one of the best trips yet.
Don't get in a hurry and start under truck and work your way up. GOOD LUCK

**special-K** · 04-13-2007, 09:57 AM

I like,"The top 1/2`s solid."Or,"It`s got good glass."

DUD2STUD · 04-13-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by STP67-72

The word RUST FREE is about like the word CLEAN. The word clean has several definitions.

Ya as in I just cleaned it

67ChevyRedneck · 04-13-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jondotcom

Are all 1967-1972 C10/ C20s going to have more than surface rust in the cab?

Unless it's been previously restored and done well, 95% of original trucks will have holes in at least the rockers. You're in a good area to find a nice truck, keep looking. Just be happy you don't live in the "rust belt."

sleepyboy · 04-13-2007, 12:34 PM

My "rust free truck" required a whole new floor, rockers, cab supports front and back, and cowl peices.

fosheec · 04-13-2007, 12:41 PM

I took pictures of my rockers and posted them on my ad to substantiate my "no rust" claims. But, like everyone else said, most rust claims are far from accurate.

neonlarry · 04-13-2007, 02:29 PM

I have always looked upon ads that say 'rust free' as just that, the rust is free.
If they have to mention rust at all there is more than you want to fix.

With you being in the bay area you should be able to find plenty of trucks without 'any rust'. Just keep looking.

edmonton72 · 04-13-2007, 03:13 PM

Up here in Canada where it's winter 8 months of the year, a rust free truck that has been driven for most of it's life is rarer then hens teeth. At least the guy I bought my truck from gave me new rocker panels for it. To bad it needed a lot more then that. The floor was so bad you could punch holes through it with your bare fist.

sighlurr · 04-13-2007, 03:21 PM

Jon - Do not get discouraged. It takes a little time, but true "rust-free" trucks still exist in NorCal. We are spoiled with nice weather here and these are still out there. You may want to start looking a little further north on Craigslist for survivors. If you PM me, or just reply in this thread for exactly what you're looking for, I can start keeping an eye out. Just a few months back a lady up here was selling her father's 72 - all orginal and dry. That went to a board member in southern CA.

When you call on these trucks, just ask the same question over and over, maybe in different ways.

Let me know what you want, we'll find you something soon!

04-12-2007, 08:59 PM	#1
Jondotcom Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bay Area Posts: 11	Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? So as you can tell from my post count I'm fairly new here and I've been trying over the last few weeks to find a truck worthy of restoration. Is it just me, or does "no rust" or "surface rust" always mean holes in the floorboards? The truck I looked at last night was described as having minor surface rust, while the lower 6" of the fender had literally rusted off. When you opened the door, you could see through the threshhold, and at the bottoms of the kick panels the metal was gone! I was about to look at another "no rust" truck today, but after some prodding to have the seller look at some target areas (lower door, threshhold, kick panel and floorboard at carpet edge), as soon as I heard "minor bubbling" I knew it was over. I'm really getting discouraged. Are all 1967-1972 C10/ C20s going to have more than surface rust in the cab? I'm so stinking disappointed right now Last edited by Jondotcom; 04-12-2007 at 09:05 PM.

04-12-2007, 09:01 PM	#2
72CSTC5 Account Suspended Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Deer Park, Tx. Posts: 2,522	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? Pretty much, if you find one without rust it must be a "virgin".

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JTK20 Active Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In the north and VERY proud of it. Posts: 150	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? Yeah you can almost never trust any description that says "surface ruist", "rust free", "minor rust", "minimal rust", etc. When I was younger some rich guy inherited his dad's 87 Chevy 4x4 and I was in contact with him for a day or 2 before I decided to drive an hour to look at it. He said there was just a little bit of rust on the front fenders, and that was it. When I got down there, the front fenders were almost gone and the doors looked like they would fall apart if I closed them too hard. A couple days ago I called/emailed a guy about a truck he had on Craigslist. The ad contained pictures of a brown truck about 30-40 feet away (yeah, like you're going to see rust in those pictures ). He said there was hardly any rust on the truck, so I asked him for more photos and he agreed to send them the next day. Now mind you, this was an older gentleman and very friendly, and he took excellent pictures. However, when I got them, the first line said "there was a little more rust than I remembered, but it's not too bad". Basically the back half of the rear wheelwells were missing, the underside of the bed looked horrible, the bottom of the back panel of the cab was gone, both cab corners were gone, and the front fenders (inner and outer) were beyond any sort of repair. When I told him I would pass, he said "digital pictures can be deceiving". Yeah, right.

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19673ontree CAN'T FIX NOTHIN Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SOUTHRUST VIRGINIA !!! Posts: 2,112	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? 67 to 72 truck's RUST , depending on where you live it may be better or worse , here in southrust virginia where I live they didn't just rust they literally DESINTEGRATED !!!!!!!!!!!! I mean the darn thing's rusted to the door handle's ,, finding a truck that was bought new in virginia and stayed here in good shape ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it ain't happening !!!!!! I have had these truck's all my life and just worked with the rusted junk from around here till about 10 year's ago and I just said the heck with it !! I kept a 1967 c10 in the back of my head all the while and last fall was down in knoxville tenn when I found a gem of a 1967 short fleet c10 !! had to pay more than I wanted but it's now mine ,,,,, anyway look in states without coal truck's that is what caused the problem's here , on the net on ebay once in a great while you will see a good 67 to 72 truck for sale , I have looked on ebay for them for year's and would say that maybe 1/2 dozen of them a year pop up , hundred's upon hundred's of rusted junk , take your time ,,, hope you find a good one ,,,,,,,,,,,,, __________________ 1967 C10 Shortbed Fleetside Small back glass 6 cyl 3spd on the tree 3.08 gears underdash AC

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Jondotcom Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bay Area Posts: 11	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? Yeah, these have been craigslist trucks. Actually the first truck I looked at wasn't bad rust-wise, but the fact he cut the dash for a bigger stereo and that he "accidentally" loaded it up with 4500 lbs of concrete from a backhoe didn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling either .

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jerry moss Born Psycho Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: brentwood,cal,usa Posts: 4,947	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? i had a guy bring a 69 CST/20 that had "a little rust" that he wanted to sell me. after looking it over for a couple seconds it was obvious he had his statement backwards, it had very little metal that wasn't rusted. i told him i wasn't interested in buying in it--he wanted $200.00 minus the big block, i ended up buying it WITH the running big block for 200 bucks. pulled the motor and trans and towed the rest to the wrecking yard. a lot of people have different opinions on "RUST". __________________ jerry moss 72 cheyenne super K20- tilt,tach,vacuum,speedwarning,buckets,shoulder belts,am/fm,tow hooks,bumper guards,toolbox,aux. fuel tank,posi front and rear,plus other goodies!!! SOLD 69 suburban K20-tilt,tach,vacuum,speedwarning,buckets,shoulder belts,am/fm,4 inch all spring lift,4 speed, 14 bolt full floater, dana 44 HD,warn winch,posi front and rear,tow hooks,plus other goodies. 73/80 chevy/gmc K20 SB400,turbo 400,205,tilt,a-c,gas hog. 77 K/5 cheyenne blazer-daily driver/beater. SON HAS IT NOW BRENTWOOD,CALIFORNIA

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GREASEMONKEY72 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bakersfield,CA Posts: 7,893	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? rust is a powerfull thing...... to many people under estimate rust and you get what you think is minor and ends up being a rolling pile of rust ready for the boneyard in the sky where it can run around rust free and happy and no longer in its misary (hey my 1000 post ) __________________ -steven Alte Seele S.S. "Allison" '72 C/10 LWB 350SB/TH350 - DD PITBULL IS NOT A CRIME

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cstm68 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: shoreline, wa Posts: 1,565	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? if it says no rust and you see no rust that there is rust under bondo! thats how my rockers were i started sanding alittle and then it just fell appart and i had no rockers. well i did, but they were chunks of bondo on the garage floor __________________ 68 swb fleet bagged on 20's 327 with 4 speed http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=223308 2014 Chevy 2500hd duramax CCLB

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The Hard Way Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 24	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? I see that you're in the Bay Area, why don't you give Vintage Chevy Truck Parts a call? Bill's a site supporter and he's in Fremont. I bought a cab from him after I discovered my rockers, inner rockers, and just about every other panel in my cab was toast.

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ks147j111928 ASE Certified Spoon Operator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 157	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? at least this guy is up front about the actual rusted areas (everywhere): would be worth it for the BB, AC, PS and PB... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1968-...QQcmdZViewItem I'd keep the bullet hole in the dash, adds character! __________________ My six is bigger than your eight 67 K20 292 +.060" SM465 NP203 3.73s 86 4Runner, the daily on 31s 85 4Runner, the wheeler on 38s 92 x-cab truggy project for 2017... tons and 42s and V8 power

04-13-2007, 05:25 AM	#13
Bob B. Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,369	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? My '67 really did have just surface rust on it when I bought it. Wasn't much of the original paint left on it, but it wasn't hiding anything either. My hood was pitted bad enough that I replaced it. But, the door bottoms, cab corners, cowl, front fender and bed were fine. As a former Mopar restorer/enthusiast (O.K., I will admit I still like them!) I know all about rust. __________________ 1967 GMC CM-2500 Camper Cruiser, 351E V-6, NP 435 4 speed, Dana 60, and factory A/C. 2012 GMC K-3500 WT regular cab, 6.0L Vortec, 6L90.

04-13-2007, 05:59 AM	#14
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? I like the 99% rustfree claims.1% could be a hole rusted through the body for 1" all the way around the bottom.Figure a truck with rusted cab corners,rockers,supports,door corners,cowl,kick panel/floor area,bedfloor at rear crossmember,core support corner,right fender cup,front edge of inner fenders,and wheel arches is better than 90% rustfree. I`ve found rustfree trucks in every part of the country.It all depends on exposure to the eminant threat. I don`t go by anyone`s description on rust.I use it to decide on going to look or not,after asking "my" questions and getting those answers. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

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Rokcrln Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Winters Ca. 95694 Posts: 4,843	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? Just find the best one you can and have the rest repaired! Kevin LFD Inc.

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jb4short Damn Yankee Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lynchburg, VA Posts: 2,261	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? rust is good....LOL

04-13-2007, 07:55 AM	#17
STP67-72 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PORT NECHES, TEXAS / USA Posts: 1,668	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? The word RUST FREE is about like the word CLEAN. The word clean has several definitions. I have looked at several clean rust free trucks. JUNK I drove about five hours to look at the cleanest truck in East Texas years ago, and it had sheetmetal pop riveted on the kick panels. That was one of the best trips yet. Don't get in a hurry and start under truck and work your way up. GOOD LUCK __________________ 55 Chevy original swb (big back window) 61 Chevy bubble top (427-5 speed) 67 Chevy stepside (Krusty) 68 Chevy swb fleet (Lola) 68 Chevy swb fleet 71 Chevy swb fleet ( future PB project) 97 crew cab power stroke 07 SS Trail blazer



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04-13-2007, 09:57 AM	#18
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? I like,"The top 1/2`s solid."Or,"It`s got good glass." __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

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sleepyboy '69 Step Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Marion, Texas Posts: 722	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? My "rust free truck" required a whole new floor, rockers, cab supports front and back, and cowl peices.

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fosheec Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cedarville, OH Posts: 61	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? I took pictures of my rockers and posted them on my ad to substantiate my "no rust" claims. But, like everyone else said, most rust claims are far from accurate. __________________ Caleb

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neonlarry Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vacaville, CA Posts: 2,745	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? I have always looked upon ads that say 'rust free' as just that, the rust is free. If they have to mention rust at all there is more than you want to fix. With you being in the bay area you should be able to find plenty of trucks without 'any rust'. Just keep looking. __________________ 70 C/10 Light Red 350/TH350, HEI, Duals w/40 series Flows, 91 seat, LED taillights 99 Pontiac S/C GTP, SLP Ram Air hood, GMPP Konis & springs 95 Neon ACR, MP PCM, AFX UDP, 3.0 CAI

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edmonton72 Nothings as cool as my 72 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Edmonton, AB, Kanuckastan Posts: 181	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? Up here in Canada where it's winter 8 months of the year, a rust free truck that has been driven for most of it's life is rarer then hens teeth. At least the guy I bought my truck from gave me new rocker panels for it. To bad it needed a lot more then that. The floor was so bad you could punch holes through it with your bare fist. __________________ 1972 C10 Longbox In the middle of body off restoration Rebuilt 355, turbo 400, 3.42 12-bolt Rolling chassis finally done and cab mounted. Now onto sanding, bondo and more sanding.

04-13-2007, 03:21 PM	#25
sighlurr ______________ Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Danville, CA Posts: 1,285	Re: Why does "no rust" "rust free" and "surface rust"= rusted beyond repair? Jon - Do not get discouraged. It takes a little time, but true "rust-free" trucks still exist in NorCal. We are spoiled with nice weather here and these are still out there. You may want to start looking a little further north on Craigslist for survivors. If you PM me, or just reply in this thread for exactly what you're looking for, I can start keeping an eye out. Just a few months back a lady up here was selling her father's 72 - all orginal and dry. That went to a board member in southern CA. When you call on these trucks, just ask the same question over and over, maybe in different ways. Let me know what you want, we'll find you something soon!

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