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70GMCer · 10-10-2007, 05:51 PM

I have a 700r4 waiting in the wings to go into my lwb. I have to get the drive shaft shortened 3". Now I have a chance to get a 200r with 55,000 miles on it for $150 and then I wouldn't have to do the drive shaft because they are the same length as the 350 turbo. What should I do? Opinions needed......

krue · 10-10-2007, 06:26 PM

I'd go with the 200.

67_C-30 · 10-10-2007, 06:51 PM

Me too...hundred!!

**SactoJim** · 10-10-2007, 06:59 PM

200 definately has the better gear spread....BUT I think in stock form the 700 is a little stouter than the 200. What did the 200 come out of?

Given the choice between a built 200 or 700, I would choose the 200.

70GMCer · 10-10-2007, 07:13 PM

I know the 700 has a stouter 1st gear, but how often will I need that. I've heard that you can get some good 200's that are supposed to be better than the 700's. Don't know how true this is. This was supposed to have came out of a 87 Monte.....I'm waiting for another reply from the guy as to where he's located from me. He acts hungry 'cause he was selling both the 305 and trans together, but said he'd split them up, "when am I coming down to get it". Think I'll see if he takes $100.

67_C-30 · 10-10-2007, 07:43 PM

The guys that build those 80's Buick Grand Nationals with turbo 3.8's pretty much use them exclusively. I have seen 9 seconds GN's with 200R's.

cdowns · 10-10-2007, 07:48 PM

i would go 2004r (i use www.fbperformance.com to build my stuff)

but i wouldnt go thru the work of installing either the 2004r or the 700r4 without having it built to take the abuse of highspeed heavy load touring

**SactoJim** · 10-10-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 67_C-30

The guys that build those 80's Buick Grand Nationals with turbo 3.8's pretty much use them exclusively. I have seen 9 seconds GN's with 200R's.

Art Carr.......200R4 Guru.

70GMCer · 10-11-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SactoJim

Art Carr.......200R4 Guru.

Don't mean to change the subject, but I remember when Art Carr was also just into Chrysler trannys. I remember back in the early 70's, he was making what he called "Clutch Flite" tranny. They were 727 trans with the bell housing cut off, and a clutch setup made. I wanted one of those so bad, but, $500 back then was a lot of money.

shortbed70 · 10-11-2007, 06:00 PM

I need a 200r4! I cant afford 1000 dollers to build either one of my 700 and then have the shaft shortened etc... Buick gn's had the boost valve and servos already installed I believe so they are stronger than the monte,caprice etc 200's.

70GMCer · 10-11-2007, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by shortbed70

I need a 200r4! I cant afford 1000 dollers to build either one of my 700 and then have the shaft shortened etc... Buick gn's had the boost valve and servos already installed I believe so they are stronger than the monte,caprice etc 200's.

Even stronger than the Monte SS ? I thought the SS 200r might have had the better servos and boost in them also.

2bits · 10-11-2007, 07:12 PM

700 r4 has a "stouter" (lower) 1st gear, but many people feel has too deep a spread between 1st and 2nd. I think a 200 is fine and better for the gearing, if you rebuild it right, they just replace what weak plastic parts there are with stronger material parts. I think someone said they use teflon. There are no design flaws, just a 1980's love for plastic in those. I'd go for the 200 in a heartbeat, but what do I know I put a 400 behind an inline 6 haha

**Boog** · 10-11-2007, 07:34 PM

Hey, you can't go wrong with a T400. Tuffest auto tranny GM ever had. I know, I know it takes a bit more hp to turn that thing but it don't give up easily. I don't know about the 400 OD used in later model trucks. What is it, a 4l80E or something like that?

Arad68 · 10-11-2007, 07:41 PM

I have one from an 87 GNX in my 79 455 Trans Am. When I built the engine and put it in It dynoed at 487 rwhp @ 5200 rpm with 512 ft lbs of torque at 3600 rpm. My trans isn't that far from stock. It has hung in there for about 3 years now without any problems. Sometimes I am not very nice to it. I think that the TH700R4 and TH2004R are both great transmissions, but I would go with the 200. If you are towing, a built 700R4 is the way to go because of the 3.06 to 1 1st gear ratio.
This page will help a great deal in Id'ing your trans along with any other questions you might have.

http://members.aol.com/powerrslid/thm2004r.html

There is an aluminum plate rivited to the side of the trans with a letter/number code that will tell you what it came from. The site above has an ID chart and many facts about 2004Rs

Arad68 · 10-11-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 70GMCer

Even stronger than the Monte SS ? I thought the SS 200r might have had the better servos and boost in them also.

70GMCer
The GNX, SS and Hurst Olds had the essentially the same transmissions in them with all of the upgraded parts in them from the factory, just different codes to ID them.

**tkeduk8r** · 10-11-2007, 10:19 PM

I run a 2004r in my 74 c10 and wouldn have it any other way.. hands dwon the best upgrade to a truck I ever made... got mine out of a 84 olds wagon, code OG....
--Mike

10-10-2007, 05:51 PM	#1
70GMCer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Joppa, Maryland Posts: 4,408	200r Tranny ? I have a 700r4 waiting in the wings to go into my lwb. I have to get the drive shaft shortened 3". Now I have a chance to get a 200r with 55,000 miles on it for $150 and then I wouldn't have to do the drive shaft because they are the same length as the 350 turbo. What should I do? Opinions needed...... __________________ 1997 GMC Sierra Ext 1965 Mustang

10-10-2007, 06:26 PM	#2
krue Designated A-hole! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Mississippi Posts: 36,450	Re: 200r Tranny ? I'd go with the 200. __________________ "If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is!" Being stupid ain't illegal. We're Still Debt Free Except for the House!!! www.daveramsey.com 70 GMC SWB Stepside project "Green Booger" soon to be 6.0l/4l80e 93 S-10 "Poppaw's Truck"

10-10-2007, 06:51 PM	#3
67_C-30 I have a radical idea! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweet Home Alabama! Posts: 6,513	Re: 200r Tranny ? Me too...hundred!! __________________ '67 C-30 Dually Pickup 6.2 Turbo Diesel, NP435 ‘72 C-10 SWB , 350 4bbl, TH350 '69 C-10 SWB , 250 L6, 3 OTT '69 GMC C3500, dump truck, 351 V6, NP435 '84 M1009 CUCV Military Blazer 67 C-30 Turbodiesel build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=254096 My trucks http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/d...ediafilter=all Member of the 1-Ton Club!

10-10-2007, 06:59 PM	#4
SactoJim Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,970	Re: 200r Tranny ? 200 definately has the better gear spread....BUT I think in stock form the 700 is a little stouter than the 200. What did the 200 come out of? Given the choice between a built 200 or 700, I would choose the 200. __________________ 72 Cheyenne SWB Fleet Nut & bolt frame off in progress...99.9999% - supercharged 383 - 4 wheel discs - relocated fuel tank - My Build Thread

10-10-2007, 07:13 PM	#5
70GMCer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Joppa, Maryland Posts: 4,408	Re: 200r Tranny ? I know the 700 has a stouter 1st gear, but how often will I need that. I've heard that you can get some good 200's that are supposed to be better than the 700's. Don't know how true this is. This was supposed to have came out of a 87 Monte.....I'm waiting for another reply from the guy as to where he's located from me. He acts hungry 'cause he was selling both the 305 and trans together, but said he'd split them up, "when am I coming down to get it". Think I'll see if he takes $100. __________________ 1997 GMC Sierra Ext 1965 Mustang

10-10-2007, 07:43 PM	#6
67_C-30 I have a radical idea! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweet Home Alabama! Posts: 6,513	Re: 200r Tranny ? The guys that build those 80's Buick Grand Nationals with turbo 3.8's pretty much use them exclusively. I have seen 9 seconds GN's with 200R's. __________________ '67 C-30 Dually Pickup 6.2 Turbo Diesel, NP435 ‘72 C-10 SWB , 350 4bbl, TH350 '69 C-10 SWB , 250 L6, 3 OTT '69 GMC C3500, dump truck, 351 V6, NP435 '84 M1009 CUCV Military Blazer 67 C-30 Turbodiesel build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=254096 My trucks http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/d...ediafilter=all Member of the 1-Ton Club!

10-10-2007, 07:48 PM	#7
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: 200r Tranny ? i would go 2004r (i use www.fbperformance.com to build my stuff) but i wouldnt go thru the work of installing either the 2004r or the 700r4 without having it built to take the abuse of highspeed heavy load touring __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY Last edited by cdowns; 10-10-2007 at 07:50 PM.

10-11-2007, 06:00 PM	#10
shortbed70 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Forney TX Posts: 4,512	Re: 200r Tranny ? I need a 200r4! I cant afford 1000 dollers to build either one of my 700 and then have the shaft shortened etc... Buick gn's had the boost valve and servos already installed I believe so they are stronger than the monte,caprice etc 200's. __________________ Troy 1965 Chevy Bagged,361 sbc,voodoo cam,1.5 full roller rockers,patriot 185cc vortec heads 2.02-1.60,vortec weiand polished intake,demon carb my truckhttp://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=332884 Big Red Dog build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=572274

10-11-2007, 07:12 PM	#12
2bits Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas Posts: 504	Re: 200r Tranny ? 700 r4 has a "stouter" (lower) 1st gear, but many people feel has too deep a spread between 1st and 2nd. I think a 200 is fine and better for the gearing, if you rebuild it right, they just replace what weak plastic parts there are with stronger material parts. I think someone said they use teflon. There are no design flaws, just a 1980's love for plastic in those. I'd go for the 200 in a heartbeat, but what do I know I put a 400 behind an inline 6 haha __________________ _______________ Thomas '78 Silverado '74 Monte Carlo '47 Teardrop Trailer East Texas Classics Local Club

10-11-2007, 07:34 PM	#13
Boog laying low Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Searcy, Ark. USA Posts: 13,103	Re: 200r Tranny ? Hey, you can't go wrong with a T400. Tuffest auto tranny GM ever had. I know, I know it takes a bit more hp to turn that thing but it don't give up easily. I don't know about the 400 OD used in later model trucks. What is it, a 4l80E or something like that? __________________ Boog 69 Chevy stepside, 358/T350, 4.11 posi, 4.5/4 drop, rallys, poboy driver primer is finer 91 Chevy sportside, Tahoe, Yukon & GMC Crewcab All GM..'nuff said. I stand for the flag and kneel at the cross

10-11-2007, 07:41 PM	#14
Arad68 Trucks N Tranzams Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 816	Re: 200r Tranny ? I have one from an 87 GNX in my 79 455 Trans Am. When I built the engine and put it in It dynoed at 487 rwhp @ 5200 rpm with 512 ft lbs of torque at 3600 rpm. My trans isn't that far from stock. It has hung in there for about 3 years now without any problems. Sometimes I am not very nice to it. I think that the TH700R4 and TH2004R are both great transmissions, but I would go with the 200. If you are towing, a built 700R4 is the way to go because of the 3.06 to 1 1st gear ratio. This page will help a great deal in Id'ing your trans along with any other questions you might have. http://members.aol.com/powerrslid/thm2004r.html There is an aluminum plate rivited to the side of the trans with a letter/number code that will tell you what it came from. The site above has an ID chart and many facts about 2004Rs __________________ Don '68 Chevy LB 383 TH400/GV/373 posi '56 Chevy 4WD SWB '64 Chevy short stepside '79 Trans Am 455/TH2004R/12blt/4whldisc 95 Kia (Wifes car) 2002 S-10 extended cab pickup "God punishes small sins immediately"

10-11-2007, 10:19 PM	#16
tkeduk8r Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Alexandria, MN Posts: 1,462	Re: 200r Tranny ? I run a 2004r in my 74 c10 and wouldn have it any other way.. hands dwon the best upgrade to a truck I ever made... got mine out of a 84 olds wagon, code OG.... --Mike __________________ 63 C20 2WD, 230/SM420/4.11 73K 68 C30 dump truck, 327,SM425,4.56 66K original 68 C10 2WD SWB Stepper, 250/3-tree/3.73 66K.... Wifes 68 Buick Skylark Custom Conv., 350/TH400/2.56 In our family since '79 69 GMC 1500 SWB 2WD, 350/TH350/3.73 posi... 70 K10 SWB 4X4 4-sp,ps, pb, tilt, buckets, console, sliding back window (Need AC parts) WIP 72 Chevy K20 4x4 350/350/205/4.56 donor 72 Vette 350/M21/3.70 posi, triple black and super fast 84 Olds Cutlass Brougham 350/2004r/4.11 was Dad's



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