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75gmc454 · 11-15-2007, 11:52 PM

Did 68's have serial numbers stamped into the frame? If they did where is the number?

If I want to swap a frame, does it decrease the value of the truck if I am doing an original restoration. All other numbers will match, just the frame will be different.

sameyrasmea72 · 11-16-2007, 01:00 AM

There is 2 places where the # are stamped. One is on the top of the frame rail under the cab and the other is is close to where the arrow is pointing.

68K20 x Drill · 11-16-2007, 05:12 AM

I have seen a few 67-68's that never had the one by the arrow.

72armyswbtruck · 11-16-2007, 05:21 AM

With a really nice resto I don't think that it would decrease the value that much.
WHat's the frame switch for anyways?

action · 11-16-2007, 08:33 AM

My 68 is stamped on the side of the frame under the drivers door or about there as my cab is off.
Jack

Jim_PA · 11-16-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 72armyswbtruck

With a really nice resto I don't think that it would decrease the value that much.
WHat's the frame switch for anyways?

If they ever reach the status of other collectible cars, I think you will find that matching numbers on everything is extremely important.

Personally I don't think these trucks will get to the Camaro/Chevelle/Corvette, etc. status, but is it worth the chance?

Longhorn Man · 11-16-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by action

My 68 is stamped on the side of the frame under the drivers door or about there as my cab is off.
Jack

Jack, you sure that's the VIN? I know on the one ton and longhorn frames, that's where the frame part number is.

jkaylor68gmc · 11-16-2007, 04:12 PM

I vote no, Who cares about the frame.

BurnoutNova · 11-16-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 68K20 x Drill

I have seen a few 67-68's that never had the one by the arrow.

im not sure about 67/8's but its really hard to see the stamping sometimes with a thin layer of surface rust on it... on my 71 i swear i had to use a wire brush for like 10 mins to make out the numbers

BurnoutNova · 11-16-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jkaylor68gmc

I vote no, Who cares about the frame.

yeah, whos gonna know anyway. ive never checked a frame for numbers on a truck i was buying. not saying you should cover anything up, but it wouldnt be an issue IMO

BCOWANWHEELS · 11-16-2007, 07:35 PM

i know i,am gonna do a c-notch and i got a different frame to modify ( c-notch & cut cross member for exhaust pass thru ) this way i can put the truck back stock and still have original frame with matching numbers.
bob

HeavyD · 11-16-2007, 08:17 PM

Sure won't decrease the value if you swap from a lwb frame to a swb one.

action · 11-16-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Longhorn Man

Jack, you sure that's the VIN? I know on the one ton and longhorn frames, that's where the frame part number is.

I am not possitive, But I thought it was the vin. I will check when it gets light tomorrow. Those are the only #'s I noticed on the frame but I will look better now.
Jack

OK I couldn't wait. Longhorn man is right they are not vin #'s. They are "upside down". I did find some #'s where the arrow shows but it was to dark to see them well. More then likly the vin.
Jack

ChevyDude · 11-16-2007, 10:47 PM

My 68' was stamped on the frame, but on the top of the frame drivers side under the cab. There are other numbers ??? stamped on the sides of the frame about the same location.

**special-K** · 11-16-2007, 10:58 PM

Sure it will decrease the value on a truck that would otherwise be worth good money for being original.Makes it illegal(technically),too.AND,these trucks are every bit as collectible as any muscle car.Just not bringing the same money.But,a well optioned or rarer truck in the right condition can be worth 10X what it did new.

**N2TRUX** · 11-16-2007, 11:31 PM

Lets put this in perspective. If you were looking at a totally restored SS/RS Camaro that everything was #'s matching but the subframe would it hurt the value? No, not at all.

The reality is that some day a #'s matching truck might make a difference, but it doesn't mean much in today's market.

Jim_PA · 11-17-2007, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by N2TRUX

Lets put this in perspective. If you were looking at a totally restored SS/RS Camaro that everything was #'s matching but the subframe would it hurt the value? No, not at all.

If there is a way to identify the frame with the vin, and those numbers don't match, then you have an almost numbers matching vehicle. The numbers do matter.

chevy72blu · 11-17-2007, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HeavyD

Sure won't decrease the value if you swap from a lwb frame to a swb one.

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75gmc454 · 11-17-2007, 01:09 AM

Thanks for all of the input.

The truck is a 68 swb cst 396 with factory tach, fleetside wood floor, and buddy buckets with the spid to prove it. It also has the original numbers matching engine and trans. Only problem is the frame was bent when the guy bought the truck, so it has to be changed. It was a truck I posted about buying a week or so ago. I really want the truck and it comes with a frame that has already been totally rebuilt. I just want to invest in restoring a good truck. As long as I have the SPID, I think the truck should still be worth the resto, right?

**N2TRUX** · 11-17-2007, 08:55 AM

In this case it doesn't seem to matter. Unless you plan to straighten the original frame you have to change it out.

Until Bloomington adds a category for trucks, a properly restored truck with a fresh frame is still going to retain it's value.

**special-K** · 11-17-2007, 09:16 AM

That`s a tough one.Although some think a vehicle has to be a car or at the extreme high end of value that becomes an investor`s market more than a collector`s,a truck like that is truly a collector`s item and a true truck collector(yes,they exist and have for years)would not want the numbers off in such a major component.It becomes a reconstructed truck.It will still bring high dollar (in the truck world),but certainly reduce the number of interested parties and the price as with any reconstructed vehicle.I wouldn`t let it stop me,just make sure you buy it right.
I hate to see rarer vehicles wrecked and believe in doing whatever it takes to bring it back.I`m comparing apples to apples,not apples to oranges.

stllookn · 11-17-2007, 11:05 AM

That is a truck worth putting all the effort into. I would really look at having the frame straightened at a GOOD frame shop. The frames are really low strength steel and very flexibile. It would be well worth putting a $1000 into that frame to get it right...it is possible.

Let me know if lose interest...LOL!

stepside66 · 11-17-2007, 11:11 AM

honestlly its a frame if it hasnt been mangled up and the truck has a good title and drives straight nobody would really question it and if its hard to see with everything on it how many people would look at the frame and know what the numbers meant

streetstar · 11-17-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 75gmc454

Thanks for all of the input.

The truck is a 68 swb cst 396 with factory tach, fleetside wood floor, and buddy buckets with the spid to prove it. It also has the original numbers matching engine and trans. ?

Which frame side is it? If its the side thats not stamped - you could just swap the rails.

Thats the type of truck that is worth trying to keep as original as possible, but a straight nonoriginal frame might be more valuable than a banged up original frame.

Have you checked to see if it could be straightened yet? -- that would be the best outcome

**PICKMUP** · 11-17-2007, 11:56 AM

Yes, it is worth more if the title, frame & vin tag #s match. Especially on a top end model. You run into problems when you try to sell it on Ebay, auctions, reputible dealers, and many out-of-state deals.
Unless it is inspected, re-vined and re-titled legally you can't get it into states like CA, WA, etc---legally.
If it is just an average run around home truck---who cares. If it is a really nice expensive truck...think about how you are going to do it. Some day you may regret it.

11-15-2007, 11:52 PM	#1
75gmc454 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: MS Posts: 479	Frame swap decrease value? Did 68's have serial numbers stamped into the frame? If they did where is the number? If I want to swap a frame, does it decrease the value of the truck if I am doing an original restoration. All other numbers will match, just the frame will be different.

11-16-2007, 01:00 AM	#2
sameyrasmea72 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Lubbock, Texas Posts: 2,443	Re: Frame swap decrease value? There is 2 places where the # are stamped. One is on the top of the frame rail under the cab and the other is is close to where the arrow is pointing. Attached Images __________________ 72 Cheyenne Super 80 Silverado Blazer 2wd

11-16-2007, 05:12 AM	#3
68K20 x Drill Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Freedom CA Posts: 488	Re: Frame swap decrease value? I have seen a few 67-68's that never had the one by the arrow. __________________ 68 Chevrolet k20 Longbed 350 SM465/205, Dana 44, 14bolt, Power steering, Power Disk Brakes, 35" BFGs. 84 Chevrolet Suburban K20 6.2 Banks turbo TH400/NP208 Now with G80 68 GMC C20 Parts? Truck And a few cars

11-16-2007, 05:21 AM	#4
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11-16-2007, 08:33 AM	#5
action Active Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Valley Springs, Ca. Posts: 266	Re: Frame swap decrease value? My 68 is stamped on the side of the frame under the drivers door or about there as my cab is off. Jack __________________ 68 Chevy Long utility bed. Now swb/Bagged Soon to be 468 (Maybe 496) BB/Turbo 400

11-16-2007, 04:12 PM	#8
jkaylor68gmc Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: TN Posts: 2,448	Re: Frame swap decrease value? I vote no, Who cares about the frame. __________________ 1947 International KB-1 1957 Chevy Bel-Air riding low 1962 swb fleetside 2002 Chevrolet Silverado 7-inch lift on 35 Daily driver 2016 Chevy Tahoe Better halves ride

11-16-2007, 07:35 PM	#11
BCOWANWHEELS Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: KINGSPORT,TN. Posts: 3,035	Re: Frame swap decrease value? i know i,am gonna do a c-notch and i got a different frame to modify ( c-notch & cut cross member for exhaust pass thru ) this way i can put the truck back stock and still have original frame with matching numbers. bob __________________ I BELIEVE IN JOHN 3:16

11-16-2007, 08:17 PM	#12
HeavyD Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Wakaw, Sask, Canada Posts: 3,180	Re: Frame swap decrease value? Sure won't decrease the value if you swap from a lwb frame to a swb one. __________________ "You can take the man out of PA, but you can't take PA out of the man"

11-16-2007, 10:47 PM	#14
ChevyDude Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 3,071	Re: Frame swap decrease value? My 68' was stamped on the frame, but on the top of the frame drivers side under the cab. There are other numbers ??? stamped on the sides of the frame about the same location. __________________ Alex 1971 Lil' Red 350 SBC 700R4

11-16-2007, 10:58 PM	#15
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,858	Re: Frame swap decrease value? Sure it will decrease the value on a truck that would otherwise be worth good money for being original.Makes it illegal(technically),too.AND,these trucks are every bit as collectible as any muscle car.Just not bringing the same money.But,a well optioned or rarer truck in the right condition can be worth 10X what it did new. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~ Last edited by special-K; 11-16-2007 at 10:59 PM.

11-16-2007, 11:31 PM	#16
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,023	Re: Frame swap decrease value? Lets put this in perspective. If you were looking at a totally restored SS/RS Camaro that everything was #'s matching but the subframe would it hurt the value? No, not at all. The reality is that some day a #'s matching truck might make a difference, but it doesn't mean much in today's market. __________________ Follow me on Facebook and Instagram @N2trux.com Articles- "Jake" the 84 to 74 crewcab "Elwood" the77_Remix 85 GMC Sierra "Scarlett" "Refining Sierra"

11-17-2007, 01:09 AM	#19
75gmc454 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: MS Posts: 479	Re: Frame swap decrease value? Thanks for all of the input. The truck is a 68 swb cst 396 with factory tach, fleetside wood floor, and buddy buckets with the spid to prove it. It also has the original numbers matching engine and trans. Only problem is the frame was bent when the guy bought the truck, so it has to be changed. It was a truck I posted about buying a week or so ago. I really want the truck and it comes with a frame that has already been totally rebuilt. I just want to invest in restoring a good truck. As long as I have the SPID, I think the truck should still be worth the resto, right?

11-17-2007, 08:55 AM	#20
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,023	Re: Frame swap decrease value? In this case it doesn't seem to matter. Unless you plan to straighten the original frame you have to change it out. Until Bloomington adds a category for trucks, a properly restored truck with a fresh frame is still going to retain it's value. __________________ Follow me on Facebook and Instagram @N2trux.com Articles- "Jake" the 84 to 74 crewcab "Elwood" the77_Remix 85 GMC Sierra "Scarlett" "Refining Sierra"

11-17-2007, 09:16 AM	#21
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,858	Re: Frame swap decrease value? That`s a tough one.Although some think a vehicle has to be a car or at the extreme high end of value that becomes an investor`s market more than a collector`s,a truck like that is truly a collector`s item and a true truck collector(yes,they exist and have for years)would not want the numbers off in such a major component.It becomes a reconstructed truck.It will still bring high dollar (in the truck world),but certainly reduce the number of interested parties and the price as with any reconstructed vehicle.I wouldn`t let it stop me,just make sure you buy it right. I hate to see rarer vehicles wrecked and believe in doing whatever it takes to bring it back.I`m comparing apples to apples,not apples to oranges. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

11-17-2007, 11:05 AM	#22
stllookn Saving 1 truck at a time! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kent, WA Posts: 6,465	Re: Frame swap decrease value? That is a truck worth putting all the effort into. I would really look at having the frame straightened at a GOOD frame shop. The frames are really low strength steel and very flexibile. It would be well worth putting a $1000 into that frame to get it right...it is possible. Let me know if lose interest...LOL! __________________ '68 C20 Longhorn 50th Anniversary 400/TH400 '68 C20 Longhorn 50th Anniversary 468/TH400w/buckets '72 C20 Halfhorn (Longhorn w/o cab and front clip) '69 Flxible Cruiser (look up ugly in the dictionary) Last edited by stllookn; 11-17-2007 at 11:06 AM.



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11-17-2007, 11:11 AM	#23
stepside66 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: wichita ks Posts: 97	Re: Frame swap decrease value? honestlly its a frame if it hasnt been mangled up and the truck has a good title and drives straight nobody would really question it and if its hard to see with everything on it how many people would look at the frame and know what the numbers meant __________________ http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1.../DSCN20132.jpg

11-17-2007, 11:56 AM	#25
PICKMUP "Trucks with Class" Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: OLYMPIA, WA, USA Posts: 8,134	Re: Frame swap decrease value? Yes, it is worth more if the title, frame & vin tag #s match. Especially on a top end model. You run into problems when you try to sell it on Ebay, auctions, reputible dealers, and many out-of-state deals. Unless it is inspected, re-vined and re-titled legally you can't get it into states like CA, WA, etc---legally. If it is just an average run around home truck---who cares. If it is a really nice expensive truck...think about how you are going to do it. Some day you may regret it.

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