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**70cst** · 12-07-2007, 07:30 PM

I had an doctor appointment last week and on the way I see a 70 4x4 swb for sale! So on the way back I stop to take a look at it because from the road it really looked sharp. The first red flag was it has a 396 BB w/396 emblems on the fenders. Well I thought you could not get a factory BB in a 4x4 (67-72) plus in 70 it should have been a 402BB. Then from my vast education from this board I thought lets see what the VIN # is so here it is: CE140B133145. Not a 4x4 but a 2x2 (I Think) Then there was the case of magic paint. This truck had what I would a maco blue lite special. Not that maco is bad because for the $$$ they do a nice job but...when I put my fingers on the upper windshield frame on the inside it made snap, crackle, & pop, sounds and then flakes of new paint would fall off showing a lot of rust problems. The whole upper frame looked like it had major rust problems that was hidden by fresh paint. I called the owner up and he said it was all original as far as he knew. He said the price of $13,500 was negotiable. He said if I wanted to take it out for a drive to let him know in advanced because he keeps it garaged in the winter. This is why it pays to educate oneself and ask questions. I wonder who will end up buying that "all original" 70 4x4 swb truck?

streetstar · 12-07-2007, 09:06 PM

ouch - 13,500 for a buggy that will start showing rust in a year or two --
your right - 4x's were all small blocks

and i didnt think the 402 ever had a dedicated emblem, i thought they either used 396 or 400 emblems

what color was this truck? Hopefully all the board members in your area will be able to steer clear

71swb4x4 · 12-07-2007, 09:13 PM

You will probably see that truck for sale for a long time. It isn't going anywhere at that price in the condition you described.

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Originally Posted by 70cst

Not a 4x4 but a 2x2

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What's a 2x2? An all wheel drive motorcycle?

sodak69c10 · 12-07-2007, 09:31 PM

ALL WHEEL DRIVE MOTOCYCLE!!! sounds cool,

i love looking at this kind of stuff and hearing people tell me that their vehicle is the best thing you can buy

**70cst** · 12-07-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 71swb4x4

What's a 2x2? An all wheel drive motorcycle?

Ok how do I get out of this one. I know...a 2x2 is someting you should get hit with if one paid $13,500 for this truck. Oh yes...the 402 emblem was a test to see if you all would catch it?

Walts_restoration · 12-07-2007, 09:48 PM

they make an all wheel drive motor cycle, i think the military used it. My auto teacher showed me them, real neat but not very fast, just kinda chug along.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iUifa_mmFsM

sodak69c10 · 12-07-2007, 10:09 PM

i was thinking crotch rocket would be fun but very un economical

70cst, nice save man, thats a good comeback

chevy72blu · 12-07-2007, 10:16 PM

Haha.. I always take a look when I see a 67-72 for sale (and 73-87s as of late) and notice these sorts of things. I wouldnt shoot down a sale, but its hard to turn the other cheek when I hear someone being blatantly lied to by someone in person. Although, I suppose they may not know their lying...

69TowRig · 12-07-2007, 11:16 PM

The last time I saw that much inaccuracy I called out the seller to their face. Sometimes they have no idea what they are selling so it helps to "educate" them a bit...

streetstar · 12-07-2007, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Walts_restoration

they make an all wheel drive motor cycle, i think the military used it. My auto teacher showed me them, real neat but not very fast, just kinda chug along.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iUifa_mmFsM

there actually is an off-road motorcycle called a Christini, based on a current Honda 250 motocross bike, that is 2wd ----- its a little heavy for straight up motocross, but supposedly its very good for enduro and hare scrambles type competition , where endurance and good traction is very important

streetstar · 12-07-2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 69TowRig

The last time I saw that much inaccuracy I called out the seller to their face. Sometimes they have no idea what they are selling so it helps to "educate" them a bit...

not me, i normally answer by not running to the credit union with a picture the next day.

Truly nai've people rarely overprice things (i met someone who was selling a cherry 65 Impala SS 327 in unrestored survivor condition and in great shape for $3000- oh i wish i had the $$ at the time - and i kept my lips sealed tight - it was a 10-12,000$ car, but they wanted a 6-4 or 6-3--(dumb ass) ) -------- but if the guy is a jerk, sometimes i will nitpick something for fun

FLEET72 · 12-08-2007, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Walts_restoration

they make an all wheel drive motor cycle, i think the military used it. My auto teacher showed me them, real neat but not very fast, just kinda chug along.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iUifa_mmFsM

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Originally Posted by streetstar

there actually is an off-road motorcycle called a Christini, based on a current Honda 250 motocross bike, that is 2wd ----- its a little heavy for straight up motocross, but supposedly its very good for enduro and hare scrambles type competition , where endurance and good traction is very important

Sorry for the threadjack but I couldn't help it.

http://www.gizmag.com/go/2351/

http://www.gizmag.com/go/3180/

http://www.ohlins.com/Motorcycle/2WD...2/Default.aspx

Back on topic, I just look at stuff like that and walk away. Unfortunately there are gullible people out there that are willing to pay more than they should for something that isn't what it is represented as. Wasn't it Barnum that said "there is a sucker born every day"?

**special-K** · 12-08-2007, 06:19 AM

Alot of people say what they believe and just don`t know any better.Alot of people buy stuff like that and feel good about it.They just don`t know.
Although no BBC K-models were made,in`70 it was still being called a 396.In`71 they started using the 400 badge which was the 402 one...no 400SBC yet either.
Alot of people are not aware that a truck can rust up top and not just the bottom.Wannabee experts will crawl all around under a truck and never look for a rusted cowl or header panel.
This guy had high hopes with that price,no doubt.I have a neighbor that buys stuff for about what it`s worth and sets them out at double the price.He usually sells them,too.Alot of guys don`t want to show what they don`t know,it`s a macho thing,and don`t ask enough questions.If you don`t ask there`s no lie.They find out later they got a bum deal.Most have no idea what it costs to get them right.You could give someone some of these trucks and not be doing them any favors,if they don`t have what it takes to get them right.
I just walk.Sometimes I`ll point out a little thing or two just to let them know it ain`t all that.Most of these guys could care less.It does pay to know,that`s for sure.

**70cst** · 12-08-2007, 09:03 AM

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special-K;2477483]Alot of people say what they believe and just don`t know any better.Alot of people buy stuff like that and feel good about it.They just don`t know.
Although no BBC K-models were made,in`70 it was still being called a 396.In`71 they started using the 400 badge which was the 402 one...no 400SBC yet either.

special K...I agree with you that from my conversation this guy believed this truck was stock and he also acknowledged that he didn't know the history of this truck. That is why buyers need to educate themselves and look over their perspective purchase very carefully. As far as the 400 emblem...I believe that 70 was the first year that these were used. My 70 has a factory 402 with a 400 emblem.

**raggedjim** · 12-08-2007, 09:40 AM

My problem is I know what to look for, but I STILL want to buy these trucks...

I need help...

**70cst** · 12-08-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by raggedjim

My problem is I know what to look for, but I STILL want to buy these trucks...I need help...

That's not a problem...that's an addiction. I think from my research there is no cure for this type of addiction. Well maybe one...the "wife".

BurnoutNova · 06-04-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 70cst

Ok how do I get out of this one. I know...a 2x2 is someting you should get hit with if one paid $13,500 for this truck. Oh yes...the 402 emblem was a test to see if you all would catch it?

hahaha hit with a 2x2 that seems like a good punishment for that

70cstjr · 06-05-2008, 06:28 AM

holy old thread batman

caminokid · 06-05-2008, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 70cst

Ok how do I get out of this one. I know...a 2x2 is something you should get hit with if one paid $13,500 for this truck.

No a 2X4 is what should be used. A 2X2 Might break!

caminokid · 06-05-2008, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FLEET72

Sorry for the threadjack but I couldn't help it.

[ Wasn't it Barnum that said "there is a sucker born every day"?

There was also the saying of " A fool and his money will soon part."

**70cst** · 06-05-2008, 10:17 AM

This all goes to show...one needs to educate oneself before buying. When I first started to think about buying a truck I did a lot of research and accidently found this board. I really was looking to purchase a 53-55 Chevy truck but I stumbled onto my 70cst by chance. Because I had been reading all the topics on this board I knew this truck was original and a keeper ($2400 70cst 402 BB with tons of options). Thats why I say the membership fees are worth twice the price. (just kidding Josh and LIz)

12-07-2007, 07:30 PM	#1
70cst Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: New Madison, Ohio Posts: 21,373	It Pays to know your trucks. I had an doctor appointment last week and on the way I see a 70 4x4 swb for sale! So on the way back I stop to take a look at it because from the road it really looked sharp. The first red flag was it has a 396 BB w/396 emblems on the fenders. Well I thought you could not get a factory BB in a 4x4 (67-72) plus in 70 it should have been a 402BB. Then from my vast education from this board I thought lets see what the VIN # is so here it is: CE140B133145. Not a 4x4 but a 2x2 (I Think) Then there was the case of magic paint. This truck had what I would a maco blue lite special. Not that maco is bad because for the $$$ they do a nice job but...when I put my fingers on the upper windshield frame on the inside it made snap, crackle, & pop, sounds and then flakes of new paint would fall off showing a lot of rust problems. The whole upper frame looked like it had major rust problems that was hidden by fresh paint. I called the owner up and he said it was all original as far as he knew. He said the price of $13,500 was negotiable. He said if I wanted to take it out for a drive to let him know in advanced because he keeps it garaged in the winter. This is why it pays to educate oneself and ask questions. I wonder who will end up buying that "all original" 70 4x4 swb truck? __________________ A husband can be right...or...A husband can be happy. 67-72 Chevy and GMC Trucks...The Classic Truck for the Classic Folk. 1970 CST Two tone green, 402BB, 400 Automatic, Tach, Buckets, AC, AM-FM, Tilt, GM CB, GM 8 Tract, LWB, etc JOHN 17:3...The better side of "LIFE" Remember: Everyday is a good day...Some are just gooder! Last edited by 70cst; 12-07-2007 at 07:32 PM.

12-07-2007, 09:06 PM	#2
streetstar Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Moore, Oklahoma Posts: 2,396	Re: It Pays to know your trucks. ouch - 13,500 for a buggy that will start showing rust in a year or two -- your right - 4x's were all small blocks and i didnt think the 402 ever had a dedicated emblem, i thought they either used 396 or 400 emblems what color was this truck? Hopefully all the board members in your area will be able to steer clear

12-07-2007, 09:31 PM	#4
sodak69c10 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rapid City, South Dakota Posts: 285	Re: It Pays to know your trucks. ALL WHEEL DRIVE MOTOCYCLE!!! sounds cool, i love looking at this kind of stuff and hearing people tell me that their vehicle is the best thing you can buy __________________ ,Clint LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES 69 C-10 short stepside 406 sbc, 02 YAMAHA WR250F, 07 SUZUKI SV650S, 81 Grand Prix 355 sbc, 81 XT 500 YAMAHA

12-07-2007, 09:48 PM	#6
Walts_restoration Real Projects never die Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Lawrence, kansas Posts: 1,508	Re: It Pays to know your trucks. they make an all wheel drive motor cycle, i think the military used it. My auto teacher showed me them, real neat but not very fast, just kinda chug along. http://youtube.com/watch?v=iUifa_mmFsM __________________ Ill put it this way, ive got a few lawn ornaments My name tag says Ryan KansasTwister On other forums

12-07-2007, 10:09 PM	#7
sodak69c10 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rapid City, South Dakota Posts: 285	Re: It Pays to know your trucks. i was thinking crotch rocket would be fun but very un economical 70cst, nice save man, thats a good comeback __________________ ,Clint LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES 69 C-10 short stepside 406 sbc, 02 YAMAHA WR250F, 07 SUZUKI SV650S, 81 Grand Prix 355 sbc, 81 XT 500 YAMAHA

12-07-2007, 10:16 PM	#8
chevy72blu Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 2,188	Re: It Pays to know your trucks. Haha.. I always take a look when I see a 67-72 for sale (and 73-87s as of late) and notice these sorts of things. I wouldnt shoot down a sale, but its hard to turn the other cheek when I hear someone being blatantly lied to by someone in person. Although, I suppose they may not know their lying... __________________ RIP EastSideLowLife '72 C20 SWB convert. 5 lug, LS1/4l60e

12-07-2007, 11:16 PM	#9
69TowRig Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 894	Re: It Pays to know your trucks. The last time I saw that much inaccuracy I called out the seller to their face. Sometimes they have no idea what they are selling so it helps to "educate" them a bit... __________________ -Chris Building a stripper, one part at a time: 1969 K5, 307, 3spd, 3 seats, hard top. Added Pwr Discs, Pwr Steering, Aux Battery, T-case Skid, Lighted Sidemarkers, HEI, Lock-Right Diff, ECE Class IV Hitch, 32" MT/Rs. Parts to Install: Hand Throttle, Console, Tow Hooks, Dual Horns, AM-FM, Dealer Swing-Away Tire Carrier, Gas Tank Skid. Also building a 1950 Willys CJ-3A and off-roading a 2001 Nissan Frontier on 1-Ton Portals...

12-08-2007, 06:19 AM	#13
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: It Pays to know your trucks. Alot of people say what they believe and just don`t know any better.Alot of people buy stuff like that and feel good about it.They just don`t know. Although no BBC K-models were made,in`70 it was still being called a 396.In`71 they started using the 400 badge which was the 402 one...no 400SBC yet either. Alot of people are not aware that a truck can rust up top and not just the bottom.Wannabee experts will crawl all around under a truck and never look for a rusted cowl or header panel. This guy had high hopes with that price,no doubt.I have a neighbor that buys stuff for about what it`s worth and sets them out at double the price.He usually sells them,too.Alot of guys don`t want to show what they don`t know,it`s a macho thing,and don`t ask enough questions.If you don`t ask there`s no lie.They find out later they got a bum deal.Most have no idea what it costs to get them right.You could give someone some of these trucks and not be doing them any favors,if they don`t have what it takes to get them right. I just walk.Sometimes I`ll point out a little thing or two just to let them know it ain`t all that.Most of these guys could care less.It does pay to know,that`s for sure. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

12-08-2007, 09:40 AM	#15
raggedjim Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Murray, Kentucky Posts: 3,476	Re: It Pays to know your trucks. My problem is I know what to look for, but I STILL want to buy these trucks... I need help... __________________ Roger '68 Short step - https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=849675 '69 ('70?) 2wd Blazer '70 GMC Jimmy 2wd '73 Firebird - https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=853203

06-05-2008, 06:28 AM	#18
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06-05-2008, 10:17 AM	#21
70cst Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: New Madison, Ohio Posts: 21,373	Re: It Pays to know your trucks. This all goes to show...one needs to educate oneself before buying. When I first started to think about buying a truck I did a lot of research and accidently found this board. I really was looking to purchase a 53-55 Chevy truck but I stumbled onto my 70cst by chance. Because I had been reading all the topics on this board I knew this truck was original and a keeper ($2400 70cst 402 BB with tons of options). Thats why I say the membership fees are worth twice the price. (just kidding Josh and LIz) __________________ A husband can be right...or...A husband can be happy. 67-72 Chevy and GMC Trucks...The Classic Truck for the Classic Folk. 1970 CST Two tone green, 402BB, 400 Automatic, Tach, Buckets, AC, AM-FM, Tilt, GM CB, GM 8 Tract, LWB, etc JOHN 17:3...The better side of "LIFE" Remember: Everyday is a good day...Some are just gooder!



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