h-4 headlights ????? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

rodstored-72 · 02-08-2008, 11:34 PM

ok all,
i have been doing some thinking about "switching" over to the new style of headlights & the question(s) is why do the "kits" have a wiring harness or why do you need a wiring harness for them?? i have elec. fans as well as relays for my ac unit & i really don't want to add more relays to the system. can you get the new headlights without having to upgrade the wiring on our trucks??

thanks for the replys.....

rodstored-72

Musclerodz · 02-09-2008, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodstored-72

ok all,
i have been doing some thinking about "switching" over to the new style of headlights & the question(s) is why do the "kits" have a wiring harness or why do you need a wiring harness for them?? i have elec. fans as well as relays for my ac unit & i really don't want to add more relays to the system. can you get the new headlights without having to upgrade the wiring on our trucks??

thanks for the replys.....

rodstored-72

The original wiring was not designed to take the extra ampereage capacity required by the newer lights. The extra draw on an inadequate size wire or corroded connections creates a potential fire hazard. Also the extra ampereage is being pulled through the original light switch which was not designed for the extra load either. Relays will turn the headlight switch into just that, a switch, very little draw on the switch and wiring system therefore protecting your circuits. We sell the lights with a high quality relay kit included. You can buy the lights without relays, but I don't recommend it.

Mike

jb4short · 02-09-2008, 01:37 AM

I agree with Mike; using the supplied voltage from the switch to trip a relay and introduce power from a direct source is much safer

Andy4639 · 02-09-2008, 02:02 AM

rodstored-72...
Why don't you want to add more relay's? They are the safest way to add accessaries in the older trucks.

Most relay's come with a hookup for two add on's and the power wire can be jumped from relay to relay which if tey are mounted close to each other it's a simple thing to add. My two cents worth anyway.

rodstored-72 · 02-09-2008, 04:28 AM

thanks guys,
i thought that was the reason(s) the wire rating, but i didn't know about the switch. my truck is not a daily driver & i am trying to keep the engine bay as clean & simple as possible. i guess i could make a relay "box" & hide all the relays (fans, ac unit & headlights) inside... i dunno i was just wanting a sound board i guess.

thanks again guys for the time & help....

on a side note do you guys think adding the lights are a good thing? (asthetic & safety) ????

Longhorn Man · 02-09-2008, 06:35 AM

in reality, adding relays to the normal sealed beams is a huge improvement.

Andy4639 · 02-09-2008, 07:46 AM

I added the headlights a few year's ago and just added the relay's a few weeks ago. Made a big differance at night. Both of them. Once the cold air intake is back in place you can't see none of the wiring.

**clay68c10** · 02-09-2008, 10:56 AM

Go for it, the relays are the way to do it. With the relays supplying my H4's, they're almost as bright as my '04 VW headlights.
Asthetically, you can hide a lot of stuff on the core support without it being very visible if you wrap your wiring with black tape or loom and mount things low.

c-10ss · 02-09-2008, 02:20 PM

just get a lmc headlight harnest for the h-4 bulds , no cuttin ,no slpicing
real simple to install

Longhorn Man · 02-09-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by c-10ss

just get a lmc headlight harnest for the h-4 bulds , no cuttin ,no slpicing
real simple to install

You are better off making your own than buying the LMC kit,... and then replacing the relays in 6 to 8 months.

Musclerodz · 02-10-2008, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c-10ss

just get a lmc headlight harnest for the h-4 bulds , no cuttin ,no slpicing
real simple to install

sorry but the LMC relay kit is junk.

Musclerodz · 02-10-2008, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c-10ss

just get a lmc headlight harnest for the h-4 bulds , no cuttin ,no slpicing
real simple to install

double post

1969stepside · 02-10-2008, 01:27 PM

does anyone have the blue bulbs for their headlights

**Stocker** · 02-11-2008, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 1969stepside

does anyone have the blue bulbs for their headlights

I hate blue bulbs -- I once bought some high $$ Hyper-White blue bulbs (with a money-back guarantee!) and drove home (an hour over the mountain) and promptly removed them. The guy returned my money as promised. I couldn't see squat and later found out why. http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...e/bad/bad.html

jb4short · 02-11-2008, 01:52 AM

I have nice dual-function H4 HID kits with clear glass capsules....but we haven't decided to sell them or not....

I know Mike wants my set...LOL

BustedTruck · 02-11-2008, 03:21 AM

[QUOTE=Tri-ProAutomotive;2571186]I have nice dual-function H4 HID kits with clear glass capsules....but we haven't decided to sell them or not....

Where can I purchase a set of these?

1969stepside · 02-11-2008, 06:14 AM

yea where can i get a set of those lmc has the bulbs and i was wondering if anyone had bought them cause i have a set on my xtreme and i want a set for my 69

jb4short · 02-11-2008, 06:20 AM

[quote=BustedTruck;2571260]

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Originally Posted by Tri-ProAutomotive

I have nice dual-function H4 HID kits with clear glass capsules....but we haven't decided to sell them or not....

Where can I purchase a set of these?

Right now I've only seen them available at chevsofthe40's

We thought we could do them for about half what they sell for

Andy4639 · 02-12-2008, 12:36 AM

I have a set of blue bulb's in mine now, that I took out of my daughter's Eclipse. I can't tell a differance. Same watt as the clear that came with the tri-bar lights.

jsbgump · 02-12-2008, 12:46 AM

I just bought a set of the h-4 headlights. ow all I need to do is do the relay install and buy the silverstar headlight bulb ans it will be good to go

**Stocker** · 02-12-2008, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jsbgump

all I need to do is do the relay install and buy the silverstar headlight bulb ans it will be good to go

From Stern's site, if you are interested:

Osram, the well-established German lampmaker, sells a line of automotive bulbs they call "Silver Star". These are Osram's top-of-the-range headlamp bulbs, equivalent to Narva RangePower+50, GE Night Hawk, Philips VisionPlus, and Tungsram Megalight Premium. They produce the maximum legal amount of light while staying within legal power consumption limits. They have colorless clear glass.

Osram bought the well-established American lampmaker Sylvania in the early 1990s, so Osram is now Sylvania's parent company. Sylvania also sells a line of automotive bulbs they call "Silver Star", but it's not the same product. The Sylvania Silver Stars have blue glass. Light output is of legal levels, but as with all blue-filtered bulbs, you do not get more light from them. The Sylvania SilverStar bulbs have a very short lifetime, because the filament is overdriven to get a legal amount of light despite the blue glass.

jsbgump · 02-12-2008, 03:57 AM

Thanks for the info. I had a set of them in a sunfire that I drove for 3 years with them in it with no problems

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stocker

From Stern's site, if you are interested:

Osram, the well-established German lampmaker, sells a line of automotive bulbs they call "Silver Star". These are Osram's top-of-the-range headlamp bulbs, equivalent to Narva RangePower+50, GE Night Hawk, Philips VisionPlus, and Tungsram Megalight Premium. They produce the maximum legal amount of light while staying within legal power consumption limits. They have colorless clear glass.

Osram bought the well-established American lampmaker Sylvania in the early 1990s, so Osram is now Sylvania's parent company. Sylvania also sells a line of automotive bulbs they call "Silver Star", but it's not the same product. The Sylvania Silver Stars have blue glass. Light output is of legal levels, but as with all blue-filtered bulbs, you do not get more light from them. The Sylvania SilverStar bulbs have a very short lifetime, because the filament is overdriven to get a legal amount of light despite the blue glass.

Jcentsr6 · 02-12-2008, 06:13 AM

I installed the H4 headlamps....have not yet installed the harness yet, but dont drive it at night untill summer. I also bought a HID kit for the truck as well..I will be installing those when the harness is installed. I will not drive another vehicle without HID's after having them in my last truck....Makes a huge diff.

Musclerodz · 02-12-2008, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tri-ProAutomotive

I have nice dual-function H4 HID kits with clear glass capsules....but we haven't decided to sell them or not....

I know Mike wants my set...LOL

Did you get the problems worked out? Pm or email me.

Mike

Andy4639 · 02-12-2008, 09:09 AM

Here are the bulbs I installed in the Tri-Bar light's.

02-08-2008, 11:34 PM	#1
rodstored-72 chevy truck fan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gilbert, arizona 85298 Posts: 2,003	h-4 headlights ????? ok all, i have been doing some thinking about "switching" over to the new style of headlights & the question(s) is why do the "kits" have a wiring harness or why do you need a wiring harness for them?? i have elec. fans as well as relays for my ac unit & i really don't want to add more relays to the system. can you get the new headlights without having to upgrade the wiring on our trucks?? thanks for the replys..... rodstored-72

02-09-2008, 01:37 AM	#3
jb4short Damn Yankee Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lynchburg, VA Posts: 2,261	Re: h-4 headlights ????? I agree with Mike; using the supplied voltage from the switch to trip a relay and introduce power from a direct source is much safer

02-09-2008, 02:02 AM	#4
Andy4639 Old member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Liberty, & Garden City S.C. , U.S. Posts: 19,945	Re: h-4 headlights ????? rodstored-72... Why don't you want to add more relay's? They are the safest way to add accessaries in the older trucks. Most relay's come with a hookup for two add on's and the power wire can be jumped from relay to relay which if tey are mounted close to each other it's a simple thing to add. My two cents worth anyway. __________________ 1971 LWB Custom, 6.0LS & 4L80E, Speedhut.com GPS speedometer & gauges with A/C. 20" Boss 338's Grey wheels 4 wheel disc brakes. My Driver Seeing the USA in a 71 Upstate SC GM Truck Club 2013,14 and 2016 Hot Rod Pour Tour http://upstategmtrucks.com/ Get out and drive the truck this summer and have some fun! It sucks not being able to hear! LWB trucks rule, if you don't think so measure your SWB! After talking to tech support at Air Lift I have found out that the kit I need is 60811. Per the measurements I gave them. Ride height of truck inside spring and inside diameter of springs.

02-09-2008, 04:28 AM	#5
rodstored-72 chevy truck fan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gilbert, arizona 85298 Posts: 2,003	Re: h-4 headlights ????? thanks guys, i thought that was the reason(s) the wire rating, but i didn't know about the switch. my truck is not a daily driver & i am trying to keep the engine bay as clean & simple as possible. i guess i could make a relay "box" & hide all the relays (fans, ac unit & headlights) inside... i dunno i was just wanting a sound board i guess. thanks again guys for the time & help.... on a side note do you guys think adding the lights are a good thing? (asthetic & safety) ????

02-09-2008, 06:35 AM	#6
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: h-4 headlights ????? in reality, adding relays to the normal sealed beams is a huge improvement.

02-09-2008, 07:46 AM	#7
Andy4639 Old member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Liberty, & Garden City S.C. , U.S. Posts: 19,945	Re: h-4 headlights ????? I added the headlights a few year's ago and just added the relay's a few weeks ago. Made a big differance at night. Both of them. Once the cold air intake is back in place you can't see none of the wiring. __________________ 1971 LWB Custom, 6.0LS & 4L80E, Speedhut.com GPS speedometer & gauges with A/C. 20" Boss 338's Grey wheels 4 wheel disc brakes. My Driver Seeing the USA in a 71 Upstate SC GM Truck Club 2013,14 and 2016 Hot Rod Pour Tour http://upstategmtrucks.com/ Get out and drive the truck this summer and have some fun! It sucks not being able to hear! LWB trucks rule, if you don't think so measure your SWB! After talking to tech support at Air Lift I have found out that the kit I need is 60811. Per the measurements I gave them. Ride height of truck inside spring and inside diameter of springs.

02-09-2008, 10:56 AM	#8
clay68c10 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Centennial, CO Posts: 2,979	Re: h-4 headlights ????? Go for it, the relays are the way to do it. With the relays supplying my H4's, they're almost as bright as my '04 VW headlights. Asthetically, you can hide a lot of stuff on the core support without it being very visible if you wrap your wiring with black tape or loom and mount things low. __________________ ClusterTruck: 68 C10 Bought in 89, wrecked in 03. Slow low $ rebuild started '17. 6.0 & TKO http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=788602 93 K1500 Short Step, 350, NV4500, EBL flash ECU. Vortec heads & roller cam someday... 05 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited. 3” lift & 6-speed 02 E320 the insurance total “free car” 13 Tahoe LTZ

02-09-2008, 02:20 PM	#9
c-10ss Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Maple Ridge, BC Canada Posts: 86	Re: h-4 headlights ????? just get a lmc headlight harnest for the h-4 bulds , no cuttin ,no slpicing real simple to install

02-10-2008, 01:27 PM	#13
1969stepside Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Johnson City Tennessee Posts: 1,191	Re: h-4 headlights ????? does anyone have the blue bulbs for their headlights __________________ Greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for a friend. Members i Have met Earl Slick68 1969 Stepside Build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post4253546 Chevy Trucks the longest lasting most dependable trucks on the road

02-11-2008, 01:52 AM	#15
jb4short Damn Yankee Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lynchburg, VA Posts: 2,261	Re: h-4 headlights ????? I have nice dual-function H4 HID kits with clear glass capsules....but we haven't decided to sell them or not.... I know Mike wants my set...LOL

02-11-2008, 03:21 AM	#16
BustedTruck Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Braselton, GA Posts: 245	Re: h-4 headlights ????? [QUOTE=Tri-ProAutomotive;2571186]I have nice dual-function H4 HID kits with clear glass capsules....but we haven't decided to sell them or not.... Where can I purchase a set of these?

02-11-2008, 06:14 AM	#17
1969stepside Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Johnson City Tennessee Posts: 1,191	Re: h-4 headlights ????? yea where can i get a set of those lmc has the bulbs and i was wondering if anyone had bought them cause i have a set on my xtreme and i want a set for my 69 __________________ Greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for a friend. Members i Have met Earl Slick68 1969 Stepside Build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post4253546 Chevy Trucks the longest lasting most dependable trucks on the road

02-12-2008, 12:36 AM	#19
Andy4639 Old member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Liberty, & Garden City S.C. , U.S. Posts: 19,945	Re: h-4 headlights ????? I have a set of blue bulb's in mine now, that I took out of my daughter's Eclipse. I can't tell a differance. Same watt as the clear that came with the tri-bar lights. __________________ 1971 LWB Custom, 6.0LS & 4L80E, Speedhut.com GPS speedometer & gauges with A/C. 20" Boss 338's Grey wheels 4 wheel disc brakes. My Driver Seeing the USA in a 71 Upstate SC GM Truck Club 2013,14 and 2016 Hot Rod Pour Tour http://upstategmtrucks.com/ Get out and drive the truck this summer and have some fun! It sucks not being able to hear! LWB trucks rule, if you don't think so measure your SWB! After talking to tech support at Air Lift I have found out that the kit I need is 60811. Per the measurements I gave them. Ride height of truck inside spring and inside diameter of springs.

02-12-2008, 12:46 AM	#20
jsbgump Gone Fishing Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fort Worth, Texas 76135 Posts: 12,361	Re: h-4 headlights ????? I just bought a set of the h-4 headlights. ow all I need to do is do the relay install and buy the silverstar headlight bulb ans it will be good to go __________________ 68 Chevy Short Fleetside LSX Swap Under Way 3.73 posi 2.5/4 drop Frame of resto has been started 2022 Hyundai Tucson Limited 2019 Chevy Traverse Redline Edition Wifes Ride Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post3483616

02-12-2008, 06:13 AM	#23
Jcentsr6 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Odenton, Md Posts: 552	Re: h-4 headlights ????? I installed the H4 headlamps....have not yet installed the harness yet, but dont drive it at night untill summer. I also bought a HID kit for the truck as well..I will be installing those when the harness is installed. I will not drive another vehicle without HID's after having them in my last truck....Makes a huge diff. __________________ going to sell this one...looking for a SWB project next.



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02-12-2008, 09:09 AM	#25
Andy4639 Old member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Liberty, & Garden City S.C. , U.S. Posts: 19,945	Re: h-4 headlights ????? Here are the bulbs I installed in the Tri-Bar light's. __________________ 1971 LWB Custom, 6.0LS & 4L80E, Speedhut.com GPS speedometer & gauges with A/C. 20" Boss 338's Grey wheels 4 wheel disc brakes. My Driver Seeing the USA in a 71 Upstate SC GM Truck Club 2013,14 and 2016 Hot Rod Pour Tour http://upstategmtrucks.com/ Get out and drive the truck this summer and have some fun! It sucks not being able to hear! LWB trucks rule, if you don't think so measure your SWB! After talking to tech support at Air Lift I have found out that the kit I need is 60811. Per the measurements I gave them. Ride height of truck inside spring and inside diameter of springs.

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