Long & Short Water Pumps - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

dooce · 06-05-2008, 11:41 AM

im looking to buy a serpentine belt kit for my truck soon. The one I like says specifically for long water pumps, and I dont see a short pump version at all similiar. Is it alright to change my short pump to a long pump and change everything else to match? Its a '68 327 if that matters. Thanks DOOCE

jchav62 · 06-05-2008, 12:44 PM

You can use a LWP on a 327. That's what I have on mine.

**Captkaos** · 06-05-2008, 12:47 PM

Are you sure it is a Short pump. IE can't get you hand behind it..
If you are getting a serpentine for a Long pump, everything else will match when you swap pumps.
There is nothing specific to the motor that will require a short pump except for the accessory brackets so if they are changing you are fine.

S10Fan · 06-05-2008, 01:37 PM

You may need a reverse rotation water pump.

dooce · 06-05-2008, 02:11 PM

how would i know if i need a reverse or not?

**Captkaos** · 06-05-2008, 02:30 PM

You don't have one if you are using normal V-belt pulleys.
If you aren't running a serpentine setup, you don't have a reverse flow waterpump.

dooce · 06-05-2008, 03:26 PM

the kit i am looking at buying is a serpentine belt kit with pulleys and all. so will i need a reverse w/p or not? you kinda lost me ^. its been a while since ive be able to mess around with the truck, but i think i am able to stick my fingers between the block and w/p. you can see the timing chain cover in the pic. thanks again for the help, DOOCE

**Captkaos** · 06-05-2008, 04:28 PM

That is a long pump. It is also standard rotation.
You are going to have to get a new reverse pump either way if you want a serpentine setup.

dooce · 06-05-2008, 10:58 PM

thanks for the help!

dieselarmy13 · 06-05-2008, 11:33 PM

Hey dooce, how's K-town nowdays? Sure do miss that place!

dooce · 06-06-2008, 01:18 PM

not too bad. its still the hang out for all the americans. Chucks, Thirsty Nellys, Hannen Fass, Nacht Shicht is the place to go. The euro rate is crazy right now. it flucuates anywhere from .62 - .64. How long ago were you here?

dieselarmy13 · 06-06-2008, 05:11 PM

I just left there last December. Man I miss ol' Chucks Diner. Didn't go many other places in that town, just did alot of traveling. But Chucks was the place.

Pushrod226 · 06-08-2008, 03:01 AM

All bs aside.... What kinda serpentine setup you goin with? You got picks??

dooce · 06-08-2008, 05:15 AM

im going to go with a zoops system.

dooce · 06-08-2008, 03:00 PM

is reverse rotation clockwise or counter clockwise?

Pushrod226 · 06-10-2008, 02:45 AM

http://www.zoops.com/home.asp

Which kit you plan on gettin? Part # ?

BTW standard is clockwise.

dooce · 06-10-2008, 01:58 PM

i looked and i cannot find it on the site. the part # for classic industries is z6143 or z6144. i dont know which one i need yet. got to wait til my truck gets here.

dooce · 06-15-2008, 06:10 AM

ok, i found them on the zoops site. the part #s are 6143 and 6144

Pushrod226 · 06-15-2008, 09:45 PM

You don't need a reverse pump for either of those serpentine setups. Nice Kit wouldn't mind havin that myself.

I dunno if ya seen this when you were lookin>>

dooce · 06-16-2008, 02:54 AM

yeah, thats it. where did you find that pic? the only pics on zoops of it were pics of the pulleys and brackets, not assembled on an engine. thanks for the heads up

06-05-2008, 11:41 AM	#1
dooce Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tinker, OK Posts: 369	Long & Short Water Pumps im looking to buy a serpentine belt kit for my truck soon. The one I like says specifically for long water pumps, and I dont see a short pump version at all similiar. Is it alright to change my short pump to a long pump and change everything else to match? Its a '68 327 if that matters. Thanks DOOCE __________________ 1976 Chevy 1/2T 2wd SWB 327/Saginaw 4spd 3.73:1 LQ4 6.0/T56 Build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=772071 LFSalleeII@gmail.com Last edited by dooce; 06-05-2008 at 11:42 AM.

06-05-2008, 12:44 PM	#2
jchav62 1962 C-10 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Las Vegas, New Mexico Posts: 4,978	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps You can use a LWP on a 327. That's what I have on mine. __________________ Joseph Chavez "See the USA in a Chevrolet!!" ......................_____ .........________//__{\_____ ,,,,,,,/__(O)___//___/__(O)_/ 1962 C10 Shortbed Fleetside 327/th350 GV overdrive 1974 C10 Longbed Fleetside 350/th350 "The Trash Truck" 1999 Chevy 2500 OBS, Longbed 5.7/4L80E 4x4 2015 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x4

06-05-2008, 12:47 PM	#3
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps Are you sure it is a Short pump. IE can't get you hand behind it.. If you are getting a serpentine for a Long pump, everything else will match when you swap pumps. There is nothing specific to the motor that will require a short pump except for the accessory brackets so if they are changing you are fine. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com

06-05-2008, 01:37 PM	#4
S10Fan Old Heap Driver Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Newport News, Va Posts: 2,643	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps You may need a reverse rotation water pump. __________________ _____________________________ Bryan '99 Silverado 1500, 4.3, 5-speed, reg cab, short bed '50 Chevy 2DR Hard Top, 350/350, M2 Front End, 3:08 gear, cruiser. '40 F**d Sedan, all Chevy power, Heidt's front end, TCI rear, nice driver.

06-05-2008, 02:11 PM	#5
dooce Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tinker, OK Posts: 369	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps how would i know if i need a reverse or not? __________________ 1976 Chevy 1/2T 2wd SWB 327/Saginaw 4spd 3.73:1 LQ4 6.0/T56 Build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=772071 LFSalleeII@gmail.com

06-05-2008, 02:30 PM	#6
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps You don't have one if you are using normal V-belt pulleys. If you aren't running a serpentine setup, you don't have a reverse flow waterpump. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com

06-05-2008, 03:26 PM	#7
dooce Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tinker, OK Posts: 369	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps the kit i am looking at buying is a serpentine belt kit with pulleys and all. so will i need a reverse w/p or not? you kinda lost me ^. its been a while since ive be able to mess around with the truck, but i think i am able to stick my fingers between the block and w/p. you can see the timing chain cover in the pic. thanks again for the help, DOOCE Attached Images __________________ 1976 Chevy 1/2T 2wd SWB 327/Saginaw 4spd 3.73:1 LQ4 6.0/T56 Build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=772071 LFSalleeII@gmail.com

06-05-2008, 04:28 PM	#8
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps That is a long pump. It is also standard rotation. You are going to have to get a new reverse pump either way if you want a serpentine setup. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com

06-05-2008, 10:58 PM	#9
dooce Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tinker, OK Posts: 369	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps thanks for the help! __________________ 1976 Chevy 1/2T 2wd SWB 327/Saginaw 4spd 3.73:1 LQ4 6.0/T56 Build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=772071 LFSalleeII@gmail.com

06-05-2008, 11:33 PM	#10
dieselarmy13 Phone's ringin Dude. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,426	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps Hey dooce, how's K-town nowdays? Sure do miss that place! __________________ I pitty the fool with only two headlights!! 2003 SILVERADO SS--THE NEW GIRL 1972 GMC--THE OLD GIRL

06-06-2008, 01:18 PM	#11
dooce Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tinker, OK Posts: 369	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps not too bad. its still the hang out for all the americans. Chucks, Thirsty Nellys, Hannen Fass, Nacht Shicht is the place to go. The euro rate is crazy right now. it flucuates anywhere from .62 - .64. How long ago were you here? __________________ 1976 Chevy 1/2T 2wd SWB 327/Saginaw 4spd 3.73:1 LQ4 6.0/T56 Build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=772071 LFSalleeII@gmail.com

06-06-2008, 05:11 PM	#12
dieselarmy13 Phone's ringin Dude. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,426	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps I just left there last December. Man I miss ol' Chucks Diner. Didn't go many other places in that town, just did alot of traveling. But Chucks was the place. __________________ I pitty the fool with only two headlights!! 2003 SILVERADO SS--THE NEW GIRL 1972 GMC--THE OLD GIRL

06-08-2008, 03:01 AM	#13
Pushrod226 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Joliet IL. Posts: 64	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps All bs aside.... What kinda serpentine setup you goin with? You got picks??

06-08-2008, 05:15 AM	#14
dooce Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tinker, OK Posts: 369	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps im going to go with a zoops system. __________________ 1976 Chevy 1/2T 2wd SWB 327/Saginaw 4spd 3.73:1 LQ4 6.0/T56 Build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=772071 LFSalleeII@gmail.com

06-08-2008, 03:00 PM	#15
dooce Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tinker, OK Posts: 369	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps is reverse rotation clockwise or counter clockwise? __________________ 1976 Chevy 1/2T 2wd SWB 327/Saginaw 4spd 3.73:1 LQ4 6.0/T56 Build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=772071 LFSalleeII@gmail.com



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06-10-2008, 02:45 AM	#16
Pushrod226 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Joliet IL. Posts: 64	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps http://www.zoops.com/home.asp Which kit you plan on gettin? Part # ? BTW standard is clockwise.

06-10-2008, 01:58 PM	#17
dooce Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tinker, OK Posts: 369	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps i looked and i cannot find it on the site. the part # for classic industries is z6143 or z6144. i dont know which one i need yet. got to wait til my truck gets here. __________________ 1976 Chevy 1/2T 2wd SWB 327/Saginaw 4spd 3.73:1 LQ4 6.0/T56 Build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=772071 LFSalleeII@gmail.com

06-15-2008, 06:10 AM	#18
dooce Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tinker, OK Posts: 369	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps ok, i found them on the zoops site. the part #s are 6143 and 6144 __________________ 1976 Chevy 1/2T 2wd SWB 327/Saginaw 4spd 3.73:1 LQ4 6.0/T56 Build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=772071 LFSalleeII@gmail.com

06-15-2008, 09:45 PM	#19
Pushrod226 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Joliet IL. Posts: 64	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps You don't need a reverse pump for either of those serpentine setups. Nice Kit wouldn't mind havin that myself. I dunno if ya seen this when you were lookin>>

06-16-2008, 02:54 AM	#20
dooce Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tinker, OK Posts: 369	Re: Long & Short Water Pumps yeah, thats it. where did you find that pic? the only pics on zoops of it were pics of the pulleys and brackets, not assembled on an engine. thanks for the heads up __________________ 1976 Chevy 1/2T 2wd SWB 327/Saginaw 4spd 3.73:1 LQ4 6.0/T56 Build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=772071 LFSalleeII@gmail.com

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