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1971c20 · 07-14-2008, 03:53 AM

Hey i have a 71 c20 with headers and it seems after a 10-15 minute drive if i shut it off it sometimes wont start all i hear is a click when i turn the key, just one click. But then if i wait about 5-20 miutes it starts right up. I think the starter is getting to hot, what do you all think?

70LonghornCST · 07-14-2008, 04:58 AM

Sounds like it.

Woody · 07-14-2008, 07:02 AM

You can buy a heat shield that will help solve your problems with the heat the headers put off. It is a real pain to install so consider a new solenoid with the heat shield, since the one on there has been too hot and may be damaged. It will be $$ well spent considering the time it takes to install the heat shield.

**LockDoc** · 07-14-2008, 09:42 AM

I was having the same problem and went to a gear drive starter. It cured my starting problem. Just another option...

LockDoc

**1970 CST Short Wide** · 07-14-2008, 09:53 AM

Had the same problem with my 454. I went to a mini starter and wrapped it with heat shield material. Problem GONE

Longhorn Man · 07-14-2008, 10:20 AM

your starter is done. It will only get worse from here. Even if you wrap it and put a shield on it and build a freezer around it, it is in it's golden years now and it has hip problems.

I would recomend a gear/mini starter too.
I hear the late mode GM starters hold up good too, but I have NFC what p/n to tell you.

Sinister · 07-14-2008, 11:23 AM

After you get a new starter and heat shield, you might want to consider an external solenoid as well.

Longhorn Man · 07-14-2008, 01:34 PM

it already has an external solinoid.... unless you mean remote solinoid.
With a late model starter or a gear drive/mini starter, that is pretty much a non issue, and when you do the ford relay converson, the solenoid is still there and exposed to the heat, and while is considerably better off, can still be effected by heat soak.

Sinister · 07-14-2008, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longhorn Man

it already has an external solinoid.... unless you mean remote solinoid.
With a late model starter or a gear drive/mini starter, that is pretty much a non issue, and when you do the ford relay converson, the solenoid is still there and exposed to the heat, and while is considerably better off, can still be effected by heat soak.

Yes, I meant Remote solenoid. Must of had a brain fart.

70rs/ss · 07-15-2008, 03:59 PM

A couple of other things to consider as well. The starter is/may be dying, but a weak connection to the battery or the starter due to loose or corroded cables can do this as well and are your grounds good? There should be a ground from the batt to frame or motor, whichever, but if to motor, then a ground from motor to frame as well as frame to body. The reason I say this is that any starter that gets hot (and they all do!!) draws more juice to spin, so with a loose or corroded connection the started doesn't get a good blast, and if the grounds are iffy the same thing. the hot starter is just helping you to find the inadequacies in your electrical system as well. Is the battery good (have it tested) as again the hot started needs more juice to spin a weak battery may not be up to the challenge. I agree you probably need a new starter, but if the cables, grounds, or the battery are suspect the problem will come back sooner than later. Just a heads up from experience!! I changed starters about about every other month for a while then decided to "be sure" the rest of the stuff was ample, not sure which one it was, cables, grounds, etc, but once I added grounds, and swapped to bigger new cables I didn't have to swap the starter again!

07-14-2008, 03:53 AM	#1
1971c20 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver Washin-tin Posts: 168	Starter to hot? Hey i have a 71 c20 with headers and it seems after a 10-15 minute drive if i shut it off it sometimes wont start all i hear is a click when i turn the key, just one click. But then if i wait about 5-20 miutes it starts right up. I think the starter is getting to hot, what do you all think?

07-14-2008, 04:58 AM	#2
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07-14-2008, 07:02 AM	#3
Woody Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Georgetown, KY, USA Posts: 631	Re: Starter to hot? You can buy a heat shield that will help solve your problems with the heat the headers put off. It is a real pain to install so consider a new solenoid with the heat shield, since the one on there has been too hot and may be damaged. It will be $$ well spent considering the time it takes to install the heat shield.

07-14-2008, 09:42 AM	#4
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07-14-2008, 10:20 AM	#6
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: Starter to hot? your starter is done. It will only get worse from here. Even if you wrap it and put a shield on it and build a freezer around it, it is in it's golden years now and it has hip problems. I would recomend a gear/mini starter too. I hear the late mode GM starters hold up good too, but I have NFC what p/n to tell you.

07-14-2008, 11:23 AM	#7
Sinister Between Trucks... Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA. Posts: 3,830	Re: Starter to hot? After you get a new starter and heat shield, you might want to consider an external solenoid as well. __________________ Beat it to fit, Paint it to match...

07-14-2008, 01:34 PM	#8
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: Starter to hot? it already has an external solinoid.... unless you mean remote solinoid. With a late model starter or a gear drive/mini starter, that is pretty much a non issue, and when you do the ford relay converson, the solenoid is still there and exposed to the heat, and while is considerably better off, can still be effected by heat soak.

07-15-2008, 03:59 PM	#10
70rs/ss Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,271	Re: Starter to hot? A couple of other things to consider as well. The starter is/may be dying, but a weak connection to the battery or the starter due to loose or corroded cables can do this as well and are your grounds good? There should be a ground from the batt to frame or motor, whichever, but if to motor, then a ground from motor to frame as well as frame to body. The reason I say this is that any starter that gets hot (and they all do!!) draws more juice to spin, so with a loose or corroded connection the started doesn't get a good blast, and if the grounds are iffy the same thing. the hot starter is just helping you to find the inadequacies in your electrical system as well. Is the battery good (have it tested) as again the hot started needs more juice to spin a weak battery may not be up to the challenge. I agree you probably need a new starter, but if the cables, grounds, or the battery are suspect the problem will come back sooner than later. Just a heads up from experience!! I changed starters about about every other month for a while then decided to "be sure" the rest of the stuff was ample, not sure which one it was, cables, grounds, etc, but once I added grounds, and swapped to bigger new cables I didn't have to swap the starter again!



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