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prg machine · 07-19-2008, 10:40 PM

I am finishing up my window regulator instalation and I can't believe how little spline engagement that there is on the window crank handles . The splines are considerably longer but only about 1/8 of an inch actualy engages. Are there improved aftermarket versions? Or is this the name of the game? Seems like a real design flaw.
I actualy thought about grinding back the "point" of the regulator shaft to allow more engagement and drilling and tapping for a small flat head srew to hod the handles on, this of course would put the handle on farther and screw up the spacing for the estuchion behind the handle. ... I am also pretty sure that regulator shaft is probably harder than the hubs of h*** .................has anyone else come up with an improved window crank or some backyard method to improve this situation?
Thanks once again.

463 · 07-19-2008, 10:58 PM

well mine haved worked well for 36 + years. the clip and splines are the correct lenth when the door pannal is on the door. i had a door handle brake off though.

Longhorn Man · 07-19-2008, 11:05 PM

why mess with something that worked from the late 50's till the 90's?

prg machine · 07-19-2008, 11:50 PM

You're all probably right......................I think my situation is an old wore out hndle that has some of the splines stripped away.so that if it isn't pushed in to the extreme it slips out and loses engagement. The clip no longer holds it on enough to keep it engaged. I have a selection of newer handles in my stash to try and will probably be okay using some stuff that is in a little better condition ( I hope). I am considering new handles if it doesn't work.

67_C-30 · 07-19-2008, 11:58 PM

I bought some run of mill HELP! replacement GM handles for my '69. Although they are 100% correct, they look close enough that 99% of the people wouldn''t know the difference and they look great in the truck. I think they set me back $14 for the pair. They stock them at Autozone, Advance, O Riellys and NAPA.

prg machine · 07-20-2008, 12:16 AM

I just got done ordering 2 new handles from Brothers..............they are on sale for 4.49 each with black knobs..............come with new clips too.............this should solve the problem.

**special-K** · 07-20-2008, 06:55 AM

Can`t go wrong with vice-grips.

**FRENCHBLUE72** · 07-20-2008, 08:03 AM

Are you running later door panels with early regulators? As there is a difference or maybe I read it wrong?

odog · 07-20-2008, 10:49 AM

Just do what my PO did, take a piece of round stock bend a loop in the end, slip it over regulator and braze it on. Same with the door handle. Works really good until you got to fix something or want to put the right handles on.

prg machine · 07-20-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by odog

Just do what my PO did, take a piece of round stock bend a loop in the end, slip it over regulator and braze it on. Same with the door handle. Works really good until you got to fix something or want to put the right handles on.

And I thought my PO did some crazy stuff!!!

Sorry for ya!

prg machine · 07-20-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FRENCHBLUE72

Are you running later door panels with early regulators? As there is a difference or maybe I read it wrong?

early doors and early regs. the splines in the pot metal handles are the weak link. The one I was using kept slipping out, mainly because it had been abused before on the old regulator that was jammed tight. The splines are minimal but sufficient if everything is in good working order and the handles slots where the clips go aren't worn.

Longhorn Man · 07-20-2008, 02:04 PM

before putting the new handles on there, remove the door panel, and clean everything down real good with brake clean. At lears one can per side most likely. Once it is all dried up (compressed air helps if you got it, otherwise, 1/2 hr in the sun will do the trick) then spray everything that moves with spray grease.

prg machine · 07-20-2008, 02:15 PM

I will call this: "The Long and Short of it!"

The pictures tell the story...............I am trying to send pictures to Brothers................I believe I havthe wrong regulator installed in that right door and i amk D***ED if I am going to tear everything out to change it. I found another handle with way longer splines that fits this side.what is up here.. Is this short spline regulator for a 72? and the handle with the long splines in it is also from a 72?

I realy do NOT want to remove this.......I have all of my new seals installed now and i don't want to think of the damage.

prg machine · 07-20-2008, 02:18 PM

by the way, that handle on the left has almost new looking splines in it, it is not stripped like it might appear.it is just half the length of the one on the right.

prg machine · 07-20-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 67_C-30

I bought some run of mill HELP! replacement GM handles for my '69. Although they are 100% correct, they look close enough that 99% of the people wouldn''t know the difference and they look great in the truck. I think they set me back $14 for the pair. They stock them at Autozone, Advance, O Riellys and NAPA.

I believe that aftrmarket handle might be wjhat i have as the one with the short splines has that "M" molded into the back of the handle.
I also looked at my old regulators and they are just like the one in my right door that Brothers sold me...................after digging up some other handles.i am good to go.

**FRENCHBLUE72** · 07-20-2008, 05:19 PM

Glad to see ya got it worked out... Are you going to the show this weekend?

prg machine · 07-20-2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FRENCHBLUE72

Glad to see ya got it worked out... Are you going to the show this weekend?

are you refering to a show coming up after today? The weekend is over so you must know of one for next weekend?
This truck is far from show worthy believe me!

**FRENCHBLUE72** · 07-20-2008, 11:08 PM

Back to the 50's car show and cruise is this comming weekend..

prg machine · 07-20-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FRENCHBLUE72

Back to the 50's car show and cruise is this comming weekend..

In Medford or Grants Pass?

**FRENCHBLUE72** · 07-21-2008, 07:50 AM

Grants pass

prg machine · 07-21-2008, 12:02 PM

I see................maybe I will try and get over there. A friend here at work has a nice 56 he might take to show.

07-19-2008, 10:40 PM	#1
prg machine Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: oregon Posts: 1,069	Window handles are ridiculous I am finishing up my window regulator instalation and I can't believe how little spline engagement that there is on the window crank handles . The splines are considerably longer but only about 1/8 of an inch actualy engages. Are there improved aftermarket versions? Or is this the name of the game? Seems like a real design flaw. I actualy thought about grinding back the "point" of the regulator shaft to allow more engagement and drilling and tapping for a small flat head srew to hod the handles on, this of course would put the handle on farther and screw up the spacing for the estuchion behind the handle. ... I am also pretty sure that regulator shaft is probably harder than the hubs of h*** .................has anyone else come up with an improved window crank or some backyard method to improve this situation? Thanks once again. __________________ 69 K-20 cloned to a 67 with front clip and some other stuff. 383 .040 over Crane roller cam lifters and rockers ,1.6 intake ratio, Open chamber heads, 9.5-1 compression ratio, 2.02 intake valves , Edelbrock performer Air Gap manifold Carter AFB performer 750cfm, MSD ignition, SM465 NP205 4.10 gears:

07-19-2008, 10:58 PM	#2
463 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sask Canada Posts: 1,666	Re: Window handles are ridiculous well mine haved worked well for 36 + years. the clip and splines are the correct lenth when the door pannal is on the door. i had a door handle brake off though. __________________ Trueman

07-19-2008, 11:05 PM	#3
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: Window handles are ridiculous why mess with something that worked from the late 50's till the 90's?

07-19-2008, 11:50 PM	#4
prg machine Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: oregon Posts: 1,069	Re: Window handles are ridiculous You're all probably right......................I think my situation is an old wore out hndle that has some of the splines stripped away.so that if it isn't pushed in to the extreme it slips out and loses engagement. The clip no longer holds it on enough to keep it engaged. I have a selection of newer handles in my stash to try and will probably be okay using some stuff that is in a little better condition ( I hope). I am considering new handles if it doesn't work. __________________ 69 K-20 cloned to a 67 with front clip and some other stuff. 383 .040 over Crane roller cam lifters and rockers ,1.6 intake ratio, Open chamber heads, 9.5-1 compression ratio, 2.02 intake valves , Edelbrock performer Air Gap manifold Carter AFB performer 750cfm, MSD ignition, SM465 NP205 4.10 gears:

07-19-2008, 11:58 PM	#5
67_C-30 I have a radical idea! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweet Home Alabama! Posts: 6,513	Re: Window handles are ridiculous I bought some run of mill HELP! replacement GM handles for my '69. Although they are 100% correct, they look close enough that 99% of the people wouldn''t know the difference and they look great in the truck. I think they set me back $14 for the pair. They stock them at Autozone, Advance, O Riellys and NAPA. __________________ '67 C-30 Dually Pickup 6.2 Turbo Diesel, NP435 ‘72 C-10 SWB , 350 4bbl, TH350 '69 C-10 SWB , 250 L6, 3 OTT '69 GMC C3500, dump truck, 351 V6, NP435 '84 M1009 CUCV Military Blazer 67 C-30 Turbodiesel build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=254096 My trucks http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/d...ediafilter=all Member of the 1-Ton Club!

07-20-2008, 12:16 AM	#6
prg machine Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: oregon Posts: 1,069	Re: Window handles are ridiculous I just got done ordering 2 new handles from Brothers..............they are on sale for 4.49 each with black knobs..............come with new clips too.............this should solve the problem. __________________ 69 K-20 cloned to a 67 with front clip and some other stuff. 383 .040 over Crane roller cam lifters and rockers ,1.6 intake ratio, Open chamber heads, 9.5-1 compression ratio, 2.02 intake valves , Edelbrock performer Air Gap manifold Carter AFB performer 750cfm, MSD ignition, SM465 NP205 4.10 gears:

07-20-2008, 06:55 AM	#7
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,859	Re: Window handles are ridiculous Can`t go wrong with vice-grips. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

07-20-2008, 08:03 AM	#8
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,608	Re: Window handles are ridiculous Are you running later door panels with early regulators? As there is a difference or maybe I read it wrong? __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

07-20-2008, 10:49 AM	#9
odog Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Wendell, Idaho Posts: 608	Re: Window handles are ridiculous Just do what my PO did, take a piece of round stock bend a loop in the end, slip it over regulator and braze it on. Same with the door handle. Works really good until you got to fix something or want to put the right handles on. __________________ 1969 4x4 Nothing beats a good rock drill and some dynamite

07-20-2008, 02:04 PM	#12
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: Window handles are ridiculous before putting the new handles on there, remove the door panel, and clean everything down real good with brake clean. At lears one can per side most likely. Once it is all dried up (compressed air helps if you got it, otherwise, 1/2 hr in the sun will do the trick) then spray everything that moves with spray grease.

07-20-2008, 02:15 PM	#13
prg machine Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: oregon Posts: 1,069	Re: Window handles are ridiculous I will call this: "The Long and Short of it!" The pictures tell the story...............I am trying to send pictures to Brothers................I believe I havthe wrong regulator installed in that right door and i amk D***ED if I am going to tear everything out to change it. I found another handle with way longer splines that fits this side.what is up here.. Is this short spline regulator for a 72? and the handle with the long splines in it is also from a 72? I realy do NOT want to remove this.......I have all of my new seals installed now and i don't want to think of the damage. Attached Images __________________ 69 K-20 cloned to a 67 with front clip and some other stuff. 383 .040 over Crane roller cam lifters and rockers ,1.6 intake ratio, Open chamber heads, 9.5-1 compression ratio, 2.02 intake valves , Edelbrock performer Air Gap manifold Carter AFB performer 750cfm, MSD ignition, SM465 NP205 4.10 gears:

07-20-2008, 02:18 PM	#14
prg machine Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: oregon Posts: 1,069	Re: Window handles are ridiculous by the way, that handle on the left has almost new looking splines in it, it is not stripped like it might appear.it is just half the length of the one on the right. __________________ 69 K-20 cloned to a 67 with front clip and some other stuff. 383 .040 over Crane roller cam lifters and rockers ,1.6 intake ratio, Open chamber heads, 9.5-1 compression ratio, 2.02 intake valves , Edelbrock performer Air Gap manifold Carter AFB performer 750cfm, MSD ignition, SM465 NP205 4.10 gears:

07-20-2008, 05:19 PM	#16
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,608	Re: Window handles are ridiculous Glad to see ya got it worked out... Are you going to the show this weekend? __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

07-20-2008, 11:08 PM	#18
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,608	Re: Window handles are ridiculous Back to the 50's car show and cruise is this comming weekend.. __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

07-21-2008, 07:50 AM	#20
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,608	Re: Window handles are ridiculous Grants pass __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..



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07-21-2008, 12:02 PM	#21
prg machine Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: oregon Posts: 1,069	Re: Window handles are ridiculous I see................maybe I will try and get over there. A friend here at work has a nice 56 he might take to show. __________________ 69 K-20 cloned to a 67 with front clip and some other stuff. 383 .040 over Crane roller cam lifters and rockers ,1.6 intake ratio, Open chamber heads, 9.5-1 compression ratio, 2.02 intake valves , Edelbrock performer Air Gap manifold Carter AFB performer 750cfm, MSD ignition, SM465 NP205 4.10 gears:

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