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Drop Spindles Wont Align
So I just put my drop spindles on from ECE with all new ball joints and tie rod ends, but when i took it to get aligned the guy said he couldnt get the camber just the way he wanted it because the bolts going through the frame and into the upper A-arm were not long enough and he ran out of adjustment before he got the camber where it should be. I know this guy very well and he has been aligning cars for 40 years so hes not filling me full of crap and i looked underneath and there is not many threads left showing through the nuts. Has anybody else had this problem? Can i replace the bolts or do i contact ECE? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
I have heard that from others who dropped theirs also. I know they make longer bolts just for that, I just can't remember who. Hopefully the others in the know will chime in soon.
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
From what I've heard normally installing just the lowered spindles there is no alignment probs. It's when 3" or more drop front springs are used that the alignment issue pops up. That is unless there is a bent frame or suspension parts.
I believe there are offset upper control arm shafts available but I forget who sells them. I'm sure someone else will pop in with that.
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
I've never had that problem and have several lowered 4" in front using ECE parts.
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
I just installed CPP tubular upper arms to solve this very problem. 3" of drop spring and 2.5" of spindle. Longer upper bolts would definitely be cheaper.
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
It was aligned before the install and everything was fine. I replaced the stock springs with new stock height units. Anybody know where i can get longer bolts and how hard they are to install? I havent really looked at it that hard as i was pretty pissed when i spent all that money and it didnt work out.
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
I think I would find a new alignment guy. Installing spindles doesn't change much. It's the use of drop springs (3" for sure) that screw with the camber/caster issues. Has the truck been wrecked? Bent frame maybe?
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
Spindle won't change camber. The problem is with the springs you replaced.
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
Like i said it aligned fine before so i doubt the frame is bent. If the frame was bent i dont see how it would happen on both sides in the same manner. Ive had this guy align a lot of cars for me and hes been doin it for 40 years. I can tell the top of the tire is tipped in and theres not much thread left showing on these bolts to adjust it anymore. Nobody else has ran into this?
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
So i should try a different set of springs and it should resolve the issue?
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
Is this something I'm going to run into with ECE dropped spindles and bags?
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
He may be a really good alignment guy with stock vehicles ...but does he have a lot of experience with lowered vehicles?
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71stub, are you using the same exact springs that were in place for the last alignment?
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
Hey lolife99
i am looking to install the same setup you just did. (I just installed CPP tubular upper arms to solve this very problem. 3" of drop spring and 2.5" of spindle.) was it worth it? i am going to need the lower A arms as well $$$$$ thanks Ray __________________ |
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
No, I used new springs and it seems to sit lower than the 2.5" i was expecting. I think i will order another set of springs and see what happens. Thanks for all the help.
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
You should have gotten 2.5" of drop from the dropped spindles alone. Try putting the stock springs back in. If it's not low enough for you, trim 1 coil off the springs.
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
They may have sent you the wrong springs.If you are put of adjustment on the control arm bolts its not your alignment guy.
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
I have had no problems with my ECE stuff. The alignment went to stock specs. We did replace the upper/lower control arm shafts and bushings, as well as the upper/lower ball joints, idler arm and pitman arm, as well as the outer tie rod ends and the center link.
But, the bottom line is that the specs went back to O.E.M. specs and it drives great.
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
Check the springs. I had no problems with my dropped spindles either.
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
70GMCer had a similar problem and posted about the tie rod adjusting sleeves or something being installed backwards causing this on his. Do a search and hopefully that will help.
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Re: Drop Spindles Wont Align
I feel the need to chime in here...I just did the ESE 4/5 drop and had no problems. 2 1/2 dropped spindles with 1 1/2 springs on the front.They told me to align to factory specs..which it did no problem. Like everyone else has said it is the springs that create the need for alignment. I also found the guys at ESC to be MORE than helpful when I was doing my install. I was concerned whether or not the 5 inch drop springs in the rear would look the way I wanted..Mark told me if I paid the shipping they would swap the springs out for 6 inchers...hope this helps ...Steve
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