The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network







Register or Log In To remove these advertisements.

Go Back   The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network > 47 - Current classic GM Trucks > The 1973 - 1987 Chevrolet & GMC Squarebody Pickups Message Board

Web 67-72chevytrucks.com


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-21-2008, 12:24 AM   #1
asphaltburner
Registered User
 
asphaltburner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Ault, Colorado
Posts: 862
Front Wheel Drive Capability?

I custom built this truck,...and I'm curious who else might have true front wheel drive capability in addition to the usual RWD and 4x4? Mine is capable of this only through it's machined, twin-stick NP205 transfer case from Off Road Design in Carbondale, Colorado. It was so much fun to test the system last Sunday by unlocking the Warn hubs ('73 front and rear axles), rear axle in neutral, front axle locked in high, and tranny (TH400 with 1200 stall speed converter) in drive,...front driveshaft turning, front axle turning, and truck immobile due to the unlocked hubs!
This is my '78 3/4 ton 4x4 FRANKENTRUCK that I've been custom building for about eight months:

Name:  110208 001 (Medium).jpg
Views: 277
Size:  73.4 KB

Completed interior with the twin-stick:

Name:  110208 005 (Medium).jpg
Views: 260
Size:  49.2 KB

and the 350hp/411ftlb torque 350 V8 I built in it's nearly finished engine bay:

Name:  110208 006 (Medium).jpg
Views: 288
Size:  64.8 KB

Now I'm terribly curious to hear from others of you that have this weird capability,...it'll be priceless in the snow! I can place all the weight over the steering and driving axle. No more bag of concrete in the bed during the winter for traction, or the nasty tendancy for RWD to send the rear of the truck to the front when it's slick. And I only have to drive one axle, so I'll get better mpg than with 4x4.
You FWD folks got pics too? Todd.
asphaltburner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2008, 01:29 AM   #2
Walts_restoration
Real Projects never die
 
Walts_restoration's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Lawrence, kansas
Posts: 1,508
Re: Front Wheel Drive Capability?

Your the only truck ive known about with that twin stick np205, and what i hope to have in a truck of mine one day lol. I think your the only crazy enough one to do it todd. Whats next, fwd your camaro?
__________________
Ill put it this way, ive got a few lawn ornaments

My name tag says Ryan

KansasTwister On other forums
Walts_restoration is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2008, 01:43 AM   #3
joe231
Registered User
 
joe231's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Palmer, Alaska
Posts: 13,821
Re: Front Wheel Drive Capability?

it is pretty common in the early Bronco crowd.
__________________
CHEVY ONLY
joe231 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2008, 02:06 PM   #4
84 400
Sb 400 club
 
84 400's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: NH / MA
Posts: 2,745
Re: Front Wheel Drive Capability?

yeah tood that is a cool option. I don't have this set up but a buddy of mine with a power wagon has a similar set up. When off road it is cool he can do front wheel digs then switch back to 4x4. It is useful on the trail
__________________
1984 chevy c10, built 400sb,.(SOLD)
77 K10 Project / daily driver "The Grinch" http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=318363
1956 Willys Wagon (327 chevy) Project (Now Buick 225)
1980 Corvette L-48 4 speed
1992 Mustang GT built 5.0 5 speed

1985 C10 LWB Sold
1982 K10 SWB plow truck Parted out
1986 D30 M1028 fire brush truck Parted out
84 400 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2008, 02:19 PM   #5
Pyrotechnic
Registered User
 
Pyrotechnic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 3,930
Re: Front Wheel Drive Capability?

Does it torque steer at all ? Shouldn't really be an issue if you are just using it to get out of snowing situations and such.
__________________
1977 GMC Sierra Grande
Pyrotechnic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2008, 01:15 AM   #6
asphaltburner
Registered User
 
asphaltburner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Ault, Colorado
Posts: 862
Re: Front Wheel Drive Capability?

Yo! Actually I thought I'd all-wheel drive the Camaro. Naw, just kiddin'!
joe231,...never knew the ol' diehard Broncos had independent control of front and rear axles! Tell me more if you will!
Took alot of research and work to put this together but it's a great truck, and I haven't even got it fully operational yet, Pyrotechnic! Just finished evaporative emissions control this eve, and still have to re-bleed the brakes since it's a one legger at the moment! Fuel gauge and speedo are not yet proper.
I'll just be using the FWD for bad weather, so I don't anticipate it to be problematic,...we'll just have to see! I'll be sure to post when I know more.
Sure was weird to put it in drive, get out, and see all that machinery being driven without going anywhere! Beautiful!
I'm gonna have to search some about the old Broncos. Even my '70 and '77 Land Cruisers (which I considered to be 4x4 state of the art back then) didn't have that ability! Todd.

Last edited by asphaltburner; 11-22-2008 at 01:21 AM.
asphaltburner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2008, 01:56 AM   #7
asphaltburner
Registered User
 
asphaltburner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Ault, Colorado
Posts: 862
Re: Front Wheel Drive Capability?

Yo! Seems there's some controversy about the causes and solutions to torque steer, and it's unlikely with low speed/low torque operation. Seems to be more of a problem in constant velocity joint drivelines, too. Primarily a problem under heavy acceleration in high output engines while turning.
Can't find a thing about FWD in the old Broncos,...just 4x4 drive.
Again, drive testing will be the tell-tale, and I'll be sure to post updates as I learn more about my FRANKENTRUCK's performance. Todd.
asphaltburner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2008, 10:33 AM   #8
joe231
Registered User
 
joe231's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Palmer, Alaska
Posts: 13,821
Re: Front Wheel Drive Capability?

it is an easy mod in the early broncos. the dana 20 t-case has a pin that keeps it from working independently, you can buy a twin stick shifter and remove the pin and you have the same capabilities as what i believe you have. rwd high and low, fwd high and low, and 4wd high and low. i'll look around and see if i can find a link, it has been a few years since I had my bronco.
EDIT:
here is a couple, google dana 20 twin stick, tons of info out there

http://www.trailhed.com/dana20twinstick.html

http://home.windstream.net/ezduzit/tx-20.html
__________________
CHEVY ONLY

Last edited by joe231; 11-22-2008 at 10:40 AM.
joe231 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2008, 11:36 PM   #9
asphaltburner
Registered User
 
asphaltburner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Ault, Colorado
Posts: 862
Re: Front Wheel Drive Capability?

Thanks, I'll check it out. Got an '88 Bronco, but, of course, it's a whole different creature! Todd.

P.S. Quite impressive,...Dana 20 is, or was, one of the best t/cases built! My NP 205 required 32 spline input and output shafts to have enough strength for my K20,...sounds like the Dana 20 could do the same with 10 splines. Todd.

Last edited by asphaltburner; 11-23-2008 at 12:05 AM.
asphaltburner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2008, 11:41 PM   #10
b454rat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Binghamton, NY
Posts: 3,460
Re: Front Wheel Drive Capability?

It's easy to twin stick a 205, just need to ground the rail for the front shaft. I did it to a couple, though I didn't drive the truck. I did drive a truck with just the front shaft, got some torque steer, but not too bad. I was surprised when I lit the 40s up though....
__________________
2000 GMC CCSB 454/4L80 6” lift SAS
1999 Chevy CCSB 454/NV4500 6” lift
1999 GMC Yukon 350/4L60 4" SAS
b454rat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2008, 12:19 AM   #11
asphaltburner
Registered User
 
asphaltburner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Ault, Colorado
Posts: 862
Re: Front Wheel Drive Capability?

Yeah, well, I was hoping to hear from some others that own twin-stick Chevy P/Us so they could tell me more about specifics,...performance, torque steer, and problems. Mine has Warn locking hubs in addition, creating another situation entirely.
Any OWNERS out there? Todd.
asphaltburner is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:28 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright 1997-2022 67-72chevytrucks.com