Need help! I'm bagging my '67 now.

[The Big Green]

Well, I'm not doing this, I have a guy doing it for me. I want to lay in back, but whats the easiest way. I have the TA's, can I lay with this? The guy asked what tire I want to run. I want 22's, and the 40 series is too big. He said it will take all of my step notch to lay out, so maybe he has it laying out. I will more than likely do a 35, because the 1.2 inch diameter shorter may be better.

Whats everyone running for a tire, on a 22in wheel. How can I lay with the TA's?

[1LoC10]

i dunno

[Spray-Bomb]

I would Z the frame & raise the bed floor, but its not the easiest

Easiest would be buying a step notch & welding it in or buying a Porter Build rear drop member, then cutting a big hole in your bed floor

It doesnt matter what size wheels you run, just how tall the tire is

Now at some point your TA's will hit the frame & you will have to run drop blocks & longer U-bolts (that is with a notch, you dont have that problem with a Z)

[The Big Green]

I don't really want to Z anything, so thats out. Its too much work. I can't afford a porterbuilt anything right now. The truck is already in the shop. I have a 10in step notch, and thats it...lol.

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by The Big Green

I don't really want to Z anything, so thats out. Its too much work. I can't afford a porterbuilt anything right now. The truck is already in the shop. I have a 10in step notch, and thats it...lol.

Then you prob won't be laying out . . .... and that's that lol .

Ok, being serious now.... I measured a truck @ the shop the other day (72swb, KP 10" step notch, Stones in the stock location, CPP trailing arms & crossmember, CPP 1.5" blocks, 29" tire). With the bags dumped, the frame was still ~5" from the ground @ the rear cab mount. Moving the bags out from between the frame/arms won't do it either; the rear end was bottomed out against the pancake style bumpstop on the bottom of the step notch.

Sounds like you'll need a deeper notch & will have to mount the bags in a different location which will require more fabricating (and more $$). What bags do you have? If they're dbl. convoluted, KP did a remote mount set-up that came pretty close to laying out IIRC . . .....

[The Big Green]

He thought about building a taller longer notch. I have a 9in notch, not 10in, and he said it needs to be 1.5in taller, and maybe 5in longer, up front, to clear the TA's.

I have the Dominators on the way.

[The Big Green]

Ok, I just got off the phone with him. I told him to make the notch for the tire I want. I will have him Z my frame later on, and install a 4-link. Its a easy way, and good way to lay out. I can't afford a drop member, or bolt-in Porterbuilt rear. I would love to, but I can't. I think this would be the best route to go, well, maybe not for looks, but when your poor, and have a good fabricator, its the way to go...lol.

1 more question, where should I put a 7gal tank? He can't put between the frame, its too wide, and my mufflers will be run to the rearend, so before is no good, besides the 4-link would be around in there. I saw a guy that put everything in his bed, in front. It looked really good, and clean, and may be a little easier. My truck needs a wood bed installed and it may be hard to install in the bed, that has no bed...lol.


Oh, and I like that pic! I want that look.

[Spray-Bomb]

I dont see why you wouldnt Z your frame now if you're gonna do it later

It makes things SO much easier & all you have to do to compensate for it is raise your bed floor

Just my .02

[lolife99]

[QUOTE=The Big Green;3032520]Ok, I just got off the phone with him. I told him to make the notch for the tire I want. I will have him Z my frame later on, and install a 4-link. Its a easy way, and good way to lay out. I can't afford a drop member, or bolt-in Porterbuilt rear. I would love to, but I can't. I think this would be the best route to go, well, maybe not for looks, but when your poor, and have a good fabricator, its the way to go...lol.

Why don't you skip the 22" wheel tire/combo right now. Install a Porterbuilt rear. The savings on labor, and no 22's to buy will more than pay for the back half from Nate. Plus,... when you get the money,... you can bolt the wheels on yourself. I'd roll old school wheels for a while instead of trying to put a super long notch in that will clear the trailing arms.
Just my $0.02.

[Shane]

you can afford to pay someone to do a monster notch now to clear a 22" wheel/tire combo but don't can't afford to pay them to do a Z ???

I don't get it.

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by The Big Green

I would love to, but I can't. I think this would be the best route to go, well, maybe not for looks, but when your poor, and have a good fabricator, its the way to go...lol.

1 more question, where should I put a 7gal tank? He can't put between the frame, its too wide, and my mufflers will be run to the rearend, so before is no good, besides the 4-link would be around in there. I saw a guy that put everything in his bed, in front. It looked really good, and clean, and may be a little easier. My truck needs a wood bed installed and it may be hard to install in the bed, that has no bed...lol.


Oh, and I like that pic! I want that look.

If your fabricator is as good as you're building him up, you shouldn't need our input. He should be giving you the options that best fit your needs & the two of you work out the ideal plan. One thing I've learned about my friends (fabricators) & their abilities is if they give you the advice that they feel is correct for the application & you go seek alternatives from other people.... it doesn't make them very happy.

For air management layouts, check out Dino's thread w/his 66. He has a nice set-up @ the front of his bed that sounds like what you might be looking for.
Good luck & be sure to followup as this gets completed.

[The Big Green]

Well, he has got on this tread before, so thanks.


I'm not having him do the Z in back. I'll have it done up front..lol.

He didn't make the tread, I did, I need a little imput for my needs. This guy is the best in my area. I like having the truck at a shop, and they call, and voice their opinions on the truck. He knows that I need a FRONT Z, but I'm a little broke, and feel its better to afford to pay the guy that has my truck, rather than run up the price all at once. I can wait on the 22's, but I would rather have this guy Z later on, than save up thousands on a drop in anything. Not saying I wouldn't like to have a drop member, but never in my budget. I just finished at the Fire Academy, and do you know what the pay is in that career? LOL.


Thanks for the help guys. I know he will do what needs to be done.


My needs are my own. I want 22's, and I'm having the notch made by him, to clear the tire I want. I want to lay flat out, but can't afford it at one time. I want to lay, and the notch will allow for this, but I can't afford the 4-link, yes its better, but will have to wait. I don't want to redo notch later on, and I don't want a back Z, raised floor, because I want a clean looking bag setup, maybe chrome links, and want to see it, and have the depth in my bed floor. I can't pull the engine in his shop, so no Z'ing of front yet. In the end, rockers will lay, all done by 1 shop.

I just needed your opinions too. I have another truck I need laid out, and can't understand them both. I just read what I can, and in time maybe I will know a little.

He knows my tank wouldn't fit underneath, and I know it, but I didn't really want it seen. That may change.

[Spray-Bomb]

This thread is pointless...

[Shane]

I think he may be related to Travis.

[The Big Green]

"Their are no stupid questions"


Tread finished


Oh, and tell my cuz Travis I said hello.

[N2TRUX]

Originally Posted by The Big Green

Oh, and tell my cuz Travis I said hello.

Thanks for keeping your sense of humor. Everyone really is looking out for your best interest, it's just not the route that fits your needs...

[joe231]

[Shane]

You ask for advice and when it is given then you argue, thus the comment about Travis which was meant in good fun.

If it was taken otherwise then my apologies.

[joe231]

^stirring the pot again

[The Big Green]

Originally Posted by Shane

You ask for advice and when it is given then you argue, thus the comment about Travis which was meant in good fun.

If it was taken otherwise then my apologies.

NO, I'm sorry. I think the Holidays are getting to me.



N2TRUX

I know, but I need a cheaper, safe route, that I can upgrade, and add to later.




This guy has my truck, bags are late, and everytime I call, just twice in last 2 days. They take my number, and never call back. I try to stay nice, and not be mean, but I need to know where they are at.


The guy bagging my truck gets on here sometimes, and has seen this tread. Some people here are saying things, I don't want this guy to hear...lol. I started this because of me, not thinking he doesn't know anything. If I thought that, he wouldn't have my truck, simple as that.


My needs are fuzzy. I want 22's, and like to stay just under 31in dia. He said stay away from Z-ing back. I think because of my tire, and funds. Seems like 24's would need a Z, because of the big dia, and the notch would be huge to lay on thoughs. He will Z the front to lay, and some type of link on back to lay out. I can't do that now, but will later.

I really need help but cheap this go around. If I do the notch he's building, and mod my stock arms, could I Z the front and do a link setup later, and lay?





I'm sorry for being rude, and Happy Holidays! Hope everyone gets lots of toys for their trucks..lol...if your wifes let you.

[SCOTI]

I won't question the abilities of your fabricator. I do question the logic of not wanting to Z one end of the truck while having no issues w/doing it to the opposite end. Cutting one up . . ..... is cutting one up.

If it's not the direction you want to go, that's fine.

[Shane]

No apology needed. The holidays can be stressful on everyone. Hang in there and get that truck going!!

[N2TRUX]

Thanks for seeing the lighter side of all this. We have a great group of guys here with tons of knowledge that are more than willing to offer advice. Our experience has taught us that even when your on a budget there are certain things that are priorities, while others can wait to be done.

You can get pretty darn low with stock T/A's, a mild notch and no Z. This is low, but it is not "laid out". Making the jump from really low to "laid out" requires a lot more mods as well as expense. Those mods are required one way or another, sooner or later....

[The Big Green]

Originally Posted by SCOTI

I won't question the abilities of your fabricator. I do question the logic of not wanting to Z one end of the truck while having no issues w/doing it to the opposite end. Cutting one up . . ..... is cutting one up.

If it's not the direction you want to go, that's fine.

2 the back? I don't think he thought it needed it. I'm still learning the Z thing. He had a bad looking '85 Burb on 22's with a front Z, and it laid rockers. I think he said I didn't want it done to the back because I just want a 22. He's giving me the cheapest way out, with less work, that will get the job done on 22's. Lets say I go with 24's, then wouldn't I be outta luck, because I would need more notch? If back was Z'ed, I could lay on 24's.


This will be a job that keeps going on for a while. I don't want to get way off track here. I told him I wanted 22's, and in time I do want to lay out. Right now I just want really low. I do want to be able to lay out on the 22's later.

I think the notch is 10.5 inches, that he's making. The one from FBI was just 9in.

[Spray-Bomb]

Sorry if I got a lil pissed at you also, but the problem is you are asking us to help you out when you dont even know what you really want

If you are stuck on whatever size rear tire (rim size doesnt matter) then you need to have the rear built for that size... do it once, do it right
There is no since in wasting your money now to only have to re do it later on

On the Z'ing the rear, its not that its the only way to lay out, its just easier than doing a big notch in the fact that you dont have all the problems with frame to TA clearance & bag location stuff

You can do a big ass notch, but you are gonna have to relocate the bags & at some point your TAs are gonna hit the frame
To me a notch that big just looks "mickey mouse" / weak & not professional

And IMO your builders opinion about rear Z's is somewhat wrong, My truck isnt laying frame & only has a 28" tall rear tire, but I Z'd it because it was the most work / time / money affective thing to do

My 6-3/16" Z (not finished yet)