sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

jonzcustomshop · 12-29-2008, 06:18 PM

This affects all of us-
take a minute to send your thoughts.
I sent one to Nancy, and my state senator as well:

Oppose Federal “Cash for Clunkers” Program

Washington lawmakers are drafting a large economic stimulus package to help create jobs and rebuild infrastructure. They want to include a nationwide scrappage program which would give U.S. tax dollars to consumers who turn-in older cars to have them crushed, as a misguided attempt to spur new car sales. The lawmakers need to scrap this idea.
The stimulus package is being drafted right now. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) wants to introduce the bill on January 6 and have it approved by Congress by January 20, so that President Obama can sign it into law after he is inaugurated.

Contact House Speaker Nancy Pelosi IMMEDIATELY To Oppose Cash for Clunkers!

Call: 202/225-0100
Click here to send an electronic message: http://speaker.house.gov/contact/
__________________________________________
Talking Points
Oppose the Use of U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for Cash for Clunkers
• I am [calling/writing] to urge lawmakers not to include a “Cash for Clunkers” provision in the economic stimulus bill. Owners who turn in vehicles for crushing would receive a "minimal" payment to purchase a new car. This is a misguided attempt to spur car sales and claim that the country’s air quality or fleet fuel mileage is being improved.

• “Cash for Clunkers” programs threaten enthusiasts nationwide with the loss of valuable parts and parts-cars for repair, restoration, and customization projects. The programs also risk destroying classic, historic and special-interest vehicles, our American heritage.

• Cars turned in for scrappage often barely run, or are rarely-driven second or third vehicles that have a minimal impact on overall fuel economy or emissions.

• “Cash for Clunkers” programs will reduce the availability of affordable transportation and repair parts used by low-income drivers. It will also compete with the Salvation Army, the Purple Heart and other charities that rely on vehicle donations to raise money.

• “Cash for Clunkers” ignores better policy options. If Congress wants to act, support for repair and upgrade is a better choice and a win-win for consumers, dealers, manufacturers and repair shops. Significant emissions and fuel economy improvements can be achieved in older vehicles through relatively simple and inexpensive means: repaired/replaced exhaust systems, tune-ups, etc.
• We hope we can count on you to reject “Cash for Clunkers.” Thank you for your consideration on this very important matter.
__________________

bird7263 · 12-29-2008, 09:46 PM

I AGREE!!! I followed the link and tactfully gave her my thoughts. We need to keep this American tradition alive. My grandfather passed down the love for the automobile to me, and I want to do the same for my son some day!!! Getting rid of "clunkers" (no matter what the make or model) will take away the culture of hot rodding from our kids. Please people help with this effort!!

scotts62 · 12-29-2008, 10:00 PM

I wrote her a lil somethin

That idea sucks!
Maybe paying some people who dont deserve the "millions a year" might save a pennie or two!

thirdstreettito · 12-29-2008, 10:10 PM

I gave her a piece of my mind...

joe231 · 12-29-2008, 11:37 PM

un-Holy Bull-S**t Bat-Man

shortbed70 · 12-29-2008, 11:45 PM

Done!!

originalJD · 12-30-2008, 02:44 AM

I let'em know what I thought about it too. They've been trying these sorts of things for years and all we can do is voice our opinions. So if ya have'nt spoken up do so. If ya don't they'll end up taking our cars, guns and everything else we should have the freedom to have as Americans.

**ChiefRocka** · 12-30-2008, 10:21 AM

Just gave her some of my thoughts, and will copy and paste the above info onto some other sites....

**Corts60** · 12-30-2008, 01:36 PM

I just wrote to her as well.....

kizer · 12-30-2008, 02:39 PM

Wrote in and posted it up on my website as well.

PrerunnerRob · 12-31-2008, 09:27 PM

This has actually been in action in California in one form or another for a long time. I remember reading a notice like this in Hot VW's in the early 90's, but it was for "smog credits". The way this bill worked was that a polluting company(Exxon/Mobile, Chevron were the ones listed) can purchase old cars from pre-82, take them permanently off the road, and recieve a credit against their pollution produced. So, you take a parked non-polluting car, destroy it's future, and they don't have to clean up their amount of pollution produced. The only saving grace to this is the engine block is disabled(broken) and the rest of the car lives a short life at the salvage yard. You will see these cars labeled "engine block disabled" stenciled on the car at the pick-n pull.

Woogeroo · 12-31-2008, 10:17 PM

you can go here and find your specific representative with several ways of contacting them and give them a piece of your mind as well:

http://www.votesmart.org

billysbowties · 01-01-2009, 02:28 AM

It really doesn't matter what we say or do, if these Calif. wacko's want to pass this bill they will get it passed. It would take hundreds of thousands of sig. to stop this bill. Just beware for the other things they want to control next.

Beware of the Left

Ill take my Guns, Religion and Money, YOU CAN KEEP THE CHANGE

joe231 · 01-01-2009, 02:52 AM

amen brother!!!

scotts62 · 01-01-2009, 02:59 AM

Yeah very true!! It sucks

19GMC63 · 01-01-2009, 03:46 AM

E-mailed Ms. Speaker and my state senator.

Nothing will probably come from it, and I expect some dumb generic response from my senator, but it's no matter... at least we tried.

scotts62 · 01-01-2009, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19GMC63

E-mailed Ms. Speaker and my state senator.

Nothing will probably come from it, and I expect some dumb generic response from my senator, but it's no matter... at least we tried.

Yeah very true all we can do is voice our opinion

TimE · 01-01-2009, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billysbowties

Ill take my Guns, Religion and Money, YOU CAN KEEP THE CHANGE

scotts62 · 01-01-2009, 01:22 PM

I just got an email from summit racing (if thats where all this came about sorry im a little late i guess

) About the same issue and they have another link for a SEMA rep you can email also about this deal. I wrote about 6 different short articles to the state rep and put different name and emails from friends that probably wouldn't write in for this

its wrong but the more the count to oppose the better!!

Imperial Kustom · 01-02-2009, 10:52 PM

Done and done! I am also sending this alert to everybody I know in the automotive community.

James McClure · 01-02-2009, 11:13 PM

They will pry my guns out of my cold dead fist and they will have to pry my dead ass out of my truck, BUT, I'll take a bunch of them with me!!! jim. I sent her an e-mail too. If something bad is going to happen to America, it happens in CA first. They don't call it the land of fruit and nuts for nothin.

ol Curt · 01-02-2009, 11:36 PM

The folks who really will need to jump on this wagon and drive it are the large dealers of restored and/or classic vehicles like Barrett Jackson and the shows that are produced showing people the art and craft, shile selling advertisements. Both of those mean money for the states they are in. Barrett Jackson stimulates the economy with the sale of some of those half million dollar cars and they send millions to the local and or state economies when they bring their show to town. I know just a little soccer tournament can bring millions into a town as far as hotels, food and tourism. Think what a big production like those shows brings!

James McClure · 01-02-2009, 11:51 PM

You don't actually think the politicians actually care about what shows and productions bring into communities or states do you? The only thing DC is interested in is power and thats it!! They don't give a danm about the country or the people, only themselves. Get ready now. The next 4 and possibly more years are going to be a real nightmare for us regular folks who just want to live and be left alone. jim

Real_McCoy · 01-03-2009, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by james mcclure

you don't actually think the politicians actually care about what shows and productions bring into communities or states do you? The only thing dc is interested in is power and thats it!! They don't give a danm about the country or the people, only themselves. Get ready now. the next 4 and possibly more years are going to be a real nightmare for us regular folks who just want to live and be left alone. Jim

second that!!!

scotts62 · 01-03-2009, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James McClure

You don't actually think the politicians actually care about what shows and productions bring into communities or states do you? The only thing DC is interested in is power and thats it!! They don't give a danm about the country or the people, only themselves. Get ready now. The next 4 and possibly more years are going to be a real nightmare for us regular folks who just want to live and be left alone. jim

I second again !!!
Read my quote below... says it all!

12-29-2008, 06:18 PM	#1
jonzcustomshop 1961 crewcab Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: missoula, mt Posts: 6,164	sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program This affects all of us- take a minute to send your thoughts. I sent one to Nancy, and my state senator as well: Oppose Federal “Cash for Clunkers” Program Washington lawmakers are drafting a large economic stimulus package to help create jobs and rebuild infrastructure. They want to include a nationwide scrappage program which would give U.S. tax dollars to consumers who turn-in older cars to have them crushed, as a misguided attempt to spur new car sales. The lawmakers need to scrap this idea. The stimulus package is being drafted right now. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) wants to introduce the bill on January 6 and have it approved by Congress by January 20, so that President Obama can sign it into law after he is inaugurated. Contact House Speaker Nancy Pelosi IMMEDIATELY To Oppose Cash for Clunkers! Call: 202/225-0100 Click here to send an electronic message: http://speaker.house.gov/contact/ __________________________________________ Talking Points Oppose the Use of U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for Cash for Clunkers • I am [calling/writing] to urge lawmakers not to include a “Cash for Clunkers” provision in the economic stimulus bill. Owners who turn in vehicles for crushing would receive a "minimal" payment to purchase a new car. This is a misguided attempt to spur car sales and claim that the country’s air quality or fleet fuel mileage is being improved. • “Cash for Clunkers” programs threaten enthusiasts nationwide with the loss of valuable parts and parts-cars for repair, restoration, and customization projects. The programs also risk destroying classic, historic and special-interest vehicles, our American heritage. • Cars turned in for scrappage often barely run, or are rarely-driven second or third vehicles that have a minimal impact on overall fuel economy or emissions. • “Cash for Clunkers” programs will reduce the availability of affordable transportation and repair parts used by low-income drivers. It will also compete with the Salvation Army, the Purple Heart and other charities that rely on vehicle donations to raise money. • “Cash for Clunkers” ignores better policy options. If Congress wants to act, support for repair and upgrade is a better choice and a win-win for consumers, dealers, manufacturers and repair shops. Significant emissions and fuel economy improvements can be achieved in older vehicles through relatively simple and inexpensive means: repaired/replaced exhaust systems, tune-ups, etc. • We hope we can count on you to reject “Cash for Clunkers.” Thank you for your consideration on this very important matter. __________________

12-29-2008, 09:46 PM	#2
bird7263 Urban Chop Shop Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tigard Oregon Posts: 264	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program I AGREE!!! I followed the link and tactfully gave her my thoughts. We need to keep this American tradition alive. My grandfather passed down the love for the automobile to me, and I want to do the same for my son some day!!! Getting rid of "clunkers" (no matter what the make or model) will take away the culture of hot rodding from our kids. Please people help with this effort!! __________________ 2003 Chevy Trailblazer LTZ, 2.5" Susp Lift, Tinted, HID's/LED interior/ Lot of upgrades and little mods 1965 Chevy 1/2T Longbox, soon to be a slammed shop truck Build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=591266 Semper Fi Marines

12-29-2008, 10:00 PM	#3
scotts62 One day... Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tuttle, Ok Posts: 9,240	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program I wrote her a lil somethin That idea sucks! Maybe paying some people who dont deserve the "millions a year" might save a pennie or two! __________________ Scott 93 crew cab build Project 62

12-29-2008, 10:10 PM	#4
thirdstreettito Resident of Here Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wesley Chapel, FL, USA Posts: 7,716	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program I gave her a piece of my mind... __________________ ~Bradley~ 2004 Black GTO LS2/T56 too much to list Miss having a truck

12-29-2008, 11:37 PM	#5
joe231 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Palmer, Alaska Posts: 13,821	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program un-Holy Bull-St Bat-Man __________________ CHEVY ONLY** Last edited by joe231; 12-29-2008 at 11:37 PM.

12-29-2008, 11:45 PM	#6
shortbed70 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Forney TX Posts: 4,512	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program Done!! __________________ Troy 1965 Chevy Bagged,361 sbc,voodoo cam,1.5 full roller rockers,patriot 185cc vortec heads 2.02-1.60,vortec weiand polished intake,demon carb my truckhttp://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=332884 Big Red Dog build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=572274

12-30-2008, 02:44 AM	#7
originalJD James Join Date: May 2008 Location: Dayton, WA Posts: 455	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program I let'em know what I thought about it too. They've been trying these sorts of things for years and all we can do is voice our opinions. So if ya have'nt spoken up do so. If ya don't they'll end up taking our cars, guns and everything else we should have the freedom to have as Americans. __________________ Never crush'em. Restor'em or recycle'em. The payoff is always worth it in the end. http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...lbumId=1709080 http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/h...e_top_view_all

12-30-2008, 10:21 AM	#8
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12-30-2008, 01:36 PM	#9
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12-30-2008, 02:39 PM	#10
kizer Its Deja Vu time again Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Marysville, North of Seattle WA Posts: 815	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program Wrote in and posted it up on my website as well. __________________ Its not pretty but its mine to figure out. The build / The Photos / Build Diary

12-31-2008, 09:27 PM	#11
PrerunnerRob Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Jose Posts: 847	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program This has actually been in action in California in one form or another for a long time. I remember reading a notice like this in Hot VW's in the early 90's, but it was for "smog credits". The way this bill worked was that a polluting company(Exxon/Mobile, Chevron were the ones listed) can purchase old cars from pre-82, take them permanently off the road, and recieve a credit against their pollution produced. So, you take a parked non-polluting car, destroy it's future, and they don't have to clean up their amount of pollution produced. The only saving grace to this is the engine block is disabled(broken) and the rest of the car lives a short life at the salvage yard. You will see these cars labeled "engine block disabled" stenciled on the car at the pick-n pull.

12-31-2008, 10:17 PM	#12
Woogeroo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: tool box Posts: 3,115	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program you can go here and find your specific representative with several ways of contacting them and give them a piece of your mind as well: http://www.votesmart.org Last edited by Woogeroo; 12-31-2008 at 10:18 PM.

01-01-2009, 02:28 AM	#13
billysbowties Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Boomer Sooner Posts: 74	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program It really doesn't matter what we say or do, if these Calif. wacko's want to pass this bill they will get it passed. It would take hundreds of thousands of sig. to stop this bill. Just beware for the other things they want to control next. Beware of the Left Ill take my Guns, Religion and Money, YOU CAN KEEP THE CHANGE

01-01-2009, 02:52 AM	#14
joe231 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Palmer, Alaska Posts: 13,821	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program amen brother!!! __________________ *CHEVY ONLY*

01-01-2009, 02:59 AM	#15
scotts62 One day... Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tuttle, Ok Posts: 9,240	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program Yeah very true!! It sucks __________________ Scott 93 crew cab build Project 62



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01-01-2009, 03:46 AM	#16
19GMC63 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,510	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program E-mailed Ms. Speaker and my state senator. Nothing will probably come from it, and I expect some dumb generic response from my senator, but it's no matter... at least we tried.

01-01-2009, 01:22 PM	#19
scotts62 One day... Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tuttle, Ok Posts: 9,240	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program I just got an email from summit racing (if thats where all this came about sorry im a little late i guess ) About the same issue and they have another link for a SEMA rep you can email also about this deal. I wrote about 6 different short articles to the state rep and put different name and emails from friends that probably wouldn't write in for this its wrong but the more the count to oppose the better!! __________________ Scott 93 crew cab build Project 62

01-02-2009, 10:52 PM	#20
Imperial Kustom 100% gearhead Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 313	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program Done and done! I am also sending this alert to everybody I know in the automotive community.

01-02-2009, 11:13 PM	#21
James McClure One shot, one kill. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saratoga Springs NY Posts: 859	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program They will pry my guns out of my cold dead fist and they will have to pry my dead ass out of my truck, BUT, I'll take a bunch of them with me!!! jim. I sent her an e-mail too. If something bad is going to happen to America, it happens in CA first. They don't call it the land of fruit and nuts for nothin. __________________ 1984 K20 350M engine with 465,000 miles. Well, it's finally done!! Almost 2 years of work, but it was really worth the effort. Little stuff left to do is mount winch, wet sand & buff out and build belly pan\running boards. Body work takes lots and LOTS of beer!!!! God, Guts and Guns made America and God, Guts and Guns will preserve it! The worst thing you could do is get into my sights, but that don't matter, you'll never know it, cause you'll never hear the shotJim or Paladin whichever you choose.

01-02-2009, 11:36 PM	#22
ol Curt Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Newburgh, IN Posts: 1,247	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program The folks who really will need to jump on this wagon and drive it are the large dealers of restored and/or classic vehicles like Barrett Jackson and the shows that are produced showing people the art and craft, shile selling advertisements. Both of those mean money for the states they are in. Barrett Jackson stimulates the economy with the sale of some of those half million dollar cars and they send millions to the local and or state economies when they bring their show to town. I know just a little soccer tournament can bring millions into a town as far as hotels, food and tourism. Think what a big production like those shows brings!

01-02-2009, 11:51 PM	#23
James McClure One shot, one kill. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saratoga Springs NY Posts: 859	Re: sema alert- FEDERAL cash for clunkers program You don't actually think the politicians actually care about what shows and productions bring into communities or states do you? The only thing DC is interested in is power and thats it!! They don't give a danm about the country or the people, only themselves. Get ready now. The next 4 and possibly more years are going to be a real nightmare for us regular folks who just want to live and be left alone. jim __________________ 1984 K20 350M engine with 465,000 miles. Well, it's finally done!! Almost 2 years of work, but it was really worth the effort. Little stuff left to do is mount winch, wet sand & buff out and build belly pan\running boards. Body work takes lots and LOTS of beer!!!! God, Guts and Guns made America and God, Guts and Guns will preserve it! The worst thing you could do is get into my sights, but that don't matter, you'll never know it, cause you'll never hear the shotJim or Paladin whichever you choose.

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