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Project1970 · 12-17-2002, 03:42 PM

Just noticed all of these on PaceParts.com...

ZL1 - Limited edition Gm Performance Parts Fuel Injected Crate Motor 454ci / 510 HP - only 200 of these monsters will be built!
http://www.paceparts.com/product.asp...&1=333&3=56218

88958604 - GM Performance 350/400 "Limited Late Model" Factory Sealed Circle Track Crate Engine - $4900, not a bad deal, all it needs is a carb, plug wires, headers, and a starter, and it's ready to go...
http://www.paceparts.com/product.asp...&1=333&3=56213

88958603 - ZZ4 "Limited Late Model" Circle Track Motor (355hp / 405 Torque/ 10:1) Race Ready - $4200, a bit of a better deal, needs same as above
http://www.paceparts.com/product.asp...&1=333&3=56243

88958602 - 350 HP "Factory Stock" Circle Track Motor (350hp / 390 torque / 9.1:1 /Race Ready) - $2900!!! Vortec heads, same as above...
http://www.paceparts.com/product.asp...&1=333&3=56242

12498777 - GM Performance ZZ454, 454cid/440hp Performance Crate Engine - this looks interesting, my guess is price-wise it'll be a bit above a RamJet 350...
http://www.paceparts.com/product.asp...&1=333&3=56217

And now, the real kicker...
12498772 - GM Performance ZZ383, 383cid/425hp Performance Crate Engine - Fast Burn heads on a 383, as a crate! Finally!!! No price listed yet...
http://www.paceparts.com/product.asp...&1=333&3=56214

Project1970 · 12-17-2002, 03:44 PM

One other interesting note...the Vortec headed "race motor" uses a .435/.460" camshaft...so my guess is a .460-ish lift cam is just fine on stock heads...

**1971Stepside** · 12-17-2002, 03:51 PM

Sweet...I think I will hold out and get the ZZ383. It looks like it is the standard 383 with the HOT cam. I would guess in the neighborhood of $4400!! Available in Spring 03...that should be about perfect!!

jays68yak · 12-17-2002, 04:12 PM

Ill take either the first one or the last one. Wait I dont have any money. Ok im going to go day dream about the first one in my suburban. zzzzzzzzzz

Bram · 12-17-2002, 05:44 PM

ZZ383, I'm so glad I waited.

>X< · 12-17-2002, 05:54 PM

does anybody know how much that zL1 is gonna weigh? when was the last time they made that motor?

rusty ol' 69' · 12-17-2002, 08:22 PM

They use a different part # 12497317, but it's the same setup list on the pace website. I think the only difference is in the heads it looks like pace uses a fast burn, while gmpartsdirect uses the vortec heads. Here's there price anyways: $3,605.00

And the link:

http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/perform...s/frameset.cfm

SCOTI · 12-17-2002, 08:58 PM

I would think they'll be more than a couple hundred bucks extra. The HT383 has an avg price around 3700$. The ZZ383 has the FastBurn aluminum heads which are around 800$ over the price of vortecs + it's got a single plane intake & bigger roller cam which typically only adds to the price. Remember, speed costs . . . how fast do you want to go?

Ed ke6bnl · 12-18-2002, 04:33 AM

Question on the zz4 motor, it has 10. something and the zz4 with the fastburn heads is 9. something With the lower compression heads on the fastburn is it capable of using a lower octance fuel even with the 385 hp vrs. the 355 for the reg. zz4. ?????? Thanks Ed is So. Calif.

**1971Stepside** · 12-18-2002, 10:35 AM

I agree with SCOTI, the ZZ383 will be an expensive upgrade. It will be well over 4K I am sure!!

jmil1974 · 12-18-2002, 11:08 AM

ZL1 ---------------------------------> BOING!!!!!!

SCOTI · 12-18-2002, 04:15 PM

I heard somewhere(probably on this board) that those 'new' ZL-1's w/fuel injection were going for 20K +, but then again the ZZ430's were pricy weren't they?? I still like the 383 shortblock. Hydraulic roller cam, 1pc rear main seal, 4 bolt mains. Just add the right heads & cam/intake combo. As for worrying about loose tolerances on crate motors, how much worse can they be than a new car engine?

Cheyenne Super · 12-18-2002, 09:29 PM

as far as the tolerances being loose. I heard from an insider at gm that the assembly procedure is the same for production as crate engines except for some of the 502s and special engines
like the oval track engines and zz430s

So I agree with Scoti that the tolerances are probably going to be within "production" spec.

Also best route I have found for price/hp is the short blocks with aftermarket heads/cam and intake.
ie the 385 f/b w zz430 upgrade is approx 4500
for just 300 more I can put together a package that will produce 450 hp and 470 ftlbs. not a lot of increase, but some times those light to light drag wars are won buy a little.
also my way produces a lot better low end torque.

12-17-2002, 03:42 PM	#1
Project1970 14.1 @ 96MPH Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 2,811	Other new crate motors!!!! Just noticed all of these on PaceParts.com... ZL1 - Limited edition Gm Performance Parts Fuel Injected Crate Motor 454ci / 510 HP - only 200 of these monsters will be built! http://www.paceparts.com/product.asp...&1=333&3=56218 88958604 - GM Performance 350/400 "Limited Late Model" Factory Sealed Circle Track Crate Engine - $4900, not a bad deal, all it needs is a carb, plug wires, headers, and a starter, and it's ready to go... http://www.paceparts.com/product.asp...&1=333&3=56213 88958603 - ZZ4 "Limited Late Model" Circle Track Motor (355hp / 405 Torque/ 10:1) Race Ready - $4200, a bit of a better deal, needs same as above http://www.paceparts.com/product.asp...&1=333&3=56243 88958602 - 350 HP "Factory Stock" Circle Track Motor (350hp / 390 torque / 9.1:1 /Race Ready) - $2900!!! Vortec heads, same as above... http://www.paceparts.com/product.asp...&1=333&3=56242 12498777 - GM Performance ZZ454, 454cid/440hp Performance Crate Engine - this looks interesting, my guess is price-wise it'll be a bit above a RamJet 350... http://www.paceparts.com/product.asp...&1=333&3=56217 And now, the real kicker... 12498772 - GM Performance ZZ383, 383cid/425hp Performance Crate Engine - Fast Burn heads on a 383, as a crate! Finally!!! No price listed yet... http://www.paceparts.com/product.asp...&1=333&3=56214 __________________ Project1970 - LS1 Swap Complete!

12-17-2002, 03:44 PM	#2
Project1970 14.1 @ 96MPH Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 2,811	One other interesting note...the Vortec headed "race motor" uses a .435/.460" camshaft...so my guess is a .460-ish lift cam is just fine on stock heads... __________________ Project1970 - LS1 Swap Complete!

12-17-2002, 03:51 PM	#3
1971Stepside Almost Satisfied Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 2,932	Sweet...I think I will hold out and get the ZZ383. It looks like it is the standard 383 with the HOT cam. I would guess in the neighborhood of $4400!! Available in Spring 03...that should be about perfect!! __________________ 1971 C10 Stepside. LSx 6.0 with BTR Stage IV, Speed Engineering Headers, 4L80e transmission w/3200 Circle-D Stall. 3.73. Posi. Purchased this truck when I was 17. I started the rebuild (or take apart) in 1993. I have drug it around all over the country in pieces. Finally back on the road in 2021. "I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. Life's been good to me so far."

12-17-2002, 04:12 PM	#4
jays68yak Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gilroy, CA Posts: 1,454	Ill take either the first one or the last one. Wait I dont have any money. Ok im going to go day dream about the first one in my suburban. zzzzzzzzzz __________________ 1969 Chevy Project SWB Fleet, 20s, 5.3, t56, in the weeds. 1970 Chevy Truck cab on a 1979 Jimmy frame-8.1 liter 496 bbc/sm465/np203-jeds doubler-np205/d60/14bff Welded/42 tsls on recentered H1s 1998 Chevy Crew Cab K3500 SAS'd with hpd60, links and swayaway coilovers. 8.1l vortec DD/towrig "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me. "

12-17-2002, 05:44 PM	#5
Bram Broke Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: West Plains,MO Posts: 385	ZZ383, I'm so glad I waited. __________________ 72CheyenneSuper1ton4x4BigBlock

12-17-2002, 05:54 PM	#6
>X< registered IWATA user Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 4,483	does anybody know how much that zL1 is gonna weigh? when was the last time they made that motor? __________________ -'63 Ford Fairlane 500 coupe, v8, auto, faded and rusty. awaiting built roller 302 and some flat black -'99 Honda Prelude. vtech/5spd. no pipe, no intake, bone stock. awaiting new top end. -01 GMC Yukon SLT 5.3 dented and scratched with a noisy tranny. Take off that Von Dutch hat before i stab you with a 000 Mack.

12-17-2002, 08:22 PM	#7
rusty ol' 69' Grubbin' Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Chico, CA Posts: 293	GM partsdirect got the price They use a different part # 12497317, but it's the same setup list on the pace website. I think the only difference is in the heads it looks like pace uses a fast burn, while gmpartsdirect uses the vortec heads. Here's there price anyways: $3,605.00 And the link: http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/perform...s/frameset.cfm __________________ project rust attack 1969 Chevrolet LWB w/ 307. I got power steering now woohooooo!!!!!!!

12-17-2002, 08:58 PM	#8
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 21,947	I would think they'll be more than a couple hundred bucks extra. The HT383 has an avg price around 3700$. The ZZ383 has the FastBurn aluminum heads which are around 800$ over the price of vortecs + it's got a single plane intake & bigger roller cam which typically only adds to the price. Remember, speed costs . . . how fast do you want to go? __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.*

12-18-2002, 04:33 AM	#9
Ed ke6bnl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Agua Dulce, Ca. usa Posts: 179	Question on the zz4 motor, it has 10. something and the zz4 with the fastburn heads is 9. something With the lower compression heads on the fastburn is it capable of using a lower octance fuel even with the 385 hp vrs. the 355 for the reg. zz4. ?????? Thanks Ed is So. Calif. __________________ Ed ke6bnl Agua Dulce 70 S.E. Los Angeles 70 Chevy short bed 1948 F3 ford pu 1949 F1 stock V8 flathead 3 on floor 1950 F1 pu street rod 1948 F6 Ford Dually/350sbc no bed stock trans&rear 1972 El Camino 4" chop 1953 Chevy 3100 2b daily driver 1970 SB 4X4 400ci 6in lift

12-18-2002, 10:35 AM	#10
1971Stepside Almost Satisfied Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 2,932	I agree with SCOTI, the ZZ383 will be an expensive upgrade. It will be well over 4K I am sure!! __________________ 1971 C10 Stepside. LSx 6.0 with BTR Stage IV, Speed Engineering Headers, 4L80e transmission w/3200 Circle-D Stall. 3.73. Posi. Purchased this truck when I was 17. I started the rebuild (or take apart) in 1993. I have drug it around all over the country in pieces. Finally back on the road in 2021. "I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. Life's been good to me so far."

12-18-2002, 11:08 AM	#11
jmil1974 Ain't we cute? Join Date: May 2002 Location: Friendswood, TX Posts: 700	ZL1 ---------------------------------> BOING!!!!!! __________________ 69 C10 2WD LWB Fleet 350/350 power front disc conversion (6 lug disc kit from gmcpauls) and new engine, PS, A/C, fresh fluids, SHE DRIVES! FOR SALE $3900

12-18-2002, 04:15 PM	#12
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 21,947	I heard somewhere(probably on this board) that those 'new' ZL-1's w/fuel injection were going for 20K +, but then again the ZZ430's were pricy weren't they?? I still like the 383 shortblock. Hydraulic roller cam, 1pc rear main seal, 4 bolt mains. Just add the right heads & cam/intake combo. As for worrying about loose tolerances on crate motors, how much worse can they be than a new car engine? __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.*

12-18-2002, 09:29 PM	#13
Cheyenne Super Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Efland, NC Posts: 303	tolerances as far as the tolerances being loose. I heard from an insider at gm that the assembly procedure is the same for production as crate engines except for some of the 502s and special engines like the oval track engines and zz430s So I agree with Scoti that the tolerances are probably going to be within "production" spec. Also best route I have found for price/hp is the short blocks with aftermarket heads/cam and intake. ie the 385 f/b w zz430 upgrade is approx 4500 for just 300 more I can put together a package that will produce 450 hp and 470 ftlbs. not a lot of increase, but some times those light to light drag wars are won buy a little. also my way produces a lot better low end torque. __________________ 1971 Cheyenne Super Soon to be converted to '68 front clip. Efland, NC



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