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**lks dcvn** · 05-30-2009, 11:13 AM

Just had my mechanic install my exhaust and Skip White mini starter...

Good news - 2.5" exhaust sounds great and looks awesome
Bad news - mini starter is loud as can be - doesn't sound right to me

How are they supposed to sound?

It sounds like it is holding the crank a bit too long...

**mr48chev** · 05-30-2009, 11:17 AM

Is it noise from the reduction gears or noise from the starter and ring gear?

I think those are universally noisy no matter who sells them.

my67chevytruck · 05-30-2009, 11:18 AM

any shims required?

70c10 · 05-30-2009, 11:36 AM

We need details and pics of exhaust!

cdowns · 05-30-2009, 11:56 AM

ministarters should b shimmed for the same 1/8clearance as regular starters

Arad68 · 05-30-2009, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdowns

ministarters should b shimmed for the same 1/8clearance as regular starters

How do you know this wasn't done? While your advice is appreciated, you sometimes communicate advisarily. Not everyone is a dumb*%#.

Aftermarket ministarters are universaly loud or sound like the gears or grinding or schreeching. Look to see if the starting gear is engaging fully on the flywheel or flexplate.

Every mini starter I've put on my trucks (3 times) has been loud or the gear just doesn't extend far enough.

Cdowns, yes I shimmed everyone of them to 1/8th of an inch

IAFF2407 · 05-30-2009, 12:30 PM

Arad68, you get up on the wrong side of bed this morning? easy boy.

Arad68 · 05-30-2009, 12:33 PM

Thanks,

My comments were a little harsh. Simmering down now...

cdowns · 05-30-2009, 02:59 PM

yeah if you had read the COMPLETE THREAD you would've seen i answered a question that was asked plain and simple

dimwit

**lks dcvn** · 05-30-2009, 03:47 PM

OK. took it back and they added a few more shims...sounds a lot better now. quick start.

now when driving I get a 'ting ting' metal on metal sound when you hit the gas. I don't get that noise in park only when driving...

any ideas?

sorry for the crappy format - I am typing on my work phone.

jgreene0717 · 05-30-2009, 04:01 PM

That sounds like you are having a pre ignition ping. Check your total timing with vacuum advance disconnected. You may also try to disconnect vacuum advance and take it for a spin and see if it still does it. If it does not you need a adjustable vacuum advance.

Arad68 · 05-30-2009, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdowns

yeah if you had read the COMPLETE THREAD you would've seen i answered a question that was asked plain and simple

dimwit

Control yourself buddy or at least try

**lks dcvn** · 05-31-2009, 10:35 AM

I guess I should clarify - here are the symptoms

When I first heard the truck start = loud noise - no metal banging noise when hitting the gas

Took it back - they shimmed it - sounds more normal starting - when driving the truck on the road metal banging noise is present when hitting the accelerator...when revving the motor in park - no metal banging noise.

Took it back again - they added another shim - no metal noise when revving in park - when driving metal banging noise is present...

It sounds like a hammer hitting metal - like it might be the flexplate banging on something.

I went out and got some pix this morning - I can see debris on the starter - so it looks like the starter is hitting the flexplate when driving...great. I might clean it off and go for a spin and see if it comes back - that will really let me know - if it is still happening or from when they didn't have the starter shimmed right the first time.

I also noted a new oil leak from the spark plug area - tell me this is an easy fix...

dan42 · 05-31-2009, 10:39 AM

Uh, that oil leak looks a little milky...not good.

**lks dcvn** · 05-31-2009, 10:40 AM

I will also add some pix of the new exhaust system. Old setup was manifold to a spare set of exhaust with mufflers that just dangled under the truck...did the job - but didn't sound that great...

New system:

2.5" center dump manifolds
2.5" aluminized exhaust tube
Flowsound 2.5" mufflers

**lks dcvn** · 05-31-2009, 11:15 AM

milky oil - nope - might be from the GUNK engine cleaner that was still on the block.

I had to find out where the leak was coming from so I doused the block so I could find the source...

don't scare me like that..

My next question - if it turns out to be the flexplate - my trans guy is 40 miles away - I doubt it would be safe to drive it that far to have it looked at right...I might be screwed here as I don't have a trailer to get it there - I would need to drive it.

Also - why would the banging happen only in D and not at idle or revving in park?

Arad68 · 05-31-2009, 11:31 AM

Thats a good looking truck.

Inspect the flexplate for scuff marks where it may have contacted the starter while you were driving. You can do this with a good size screwdriver to turn the flexplate. Somtimes you may be able turn it with your hands and a good pair of gloves.

There should be at least 1/16th of an inch between the starter gear and the flexplate. If there has been contact, the flexplate or ring gear may be warped or not properly installed.

Observe the flexplate with the engine running. This would be the easiest way to see.

Don't get under the truck while it's running.

If it shows untrueness, the ring gear is bent or not properly installed. There maybe corrosion or dirt/grease build up on the crankshaft flange.

Clean off the oil leakage to observe for any obvious defects such as cracks. This will also allow for a clear look were the leak is coming from after it has leaked again.

Dan42 has a good eye, it looks kind of "milky" indicating the presense of water in the leak.

**lks dcvn** · 05-31-2009, 12:12 PM

Flexplate has some damage on it - but not sure if that was before they shimmed it correctly...

After looking at another post - some people have taken a bit off the end of the drive gear to alleviate the issue...

http://www.trifive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25045

Another post I found said that the flexplate was cupped (it was round but cupped so the teeth were too close for the new starter)

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=273647

I did find an easy way to swap the flexplate w/o having to drop the complete trans...

"Hi,the easy way to change the flex plate is,get some 4 inch long bolts,remove all the trans to block bolts and replace the bottom 2 bolts with the long bolts,remove drive shaft,and shifter,slide trans back on long bolts ,you probably wont have enough room to slide trans all the way back.,,after changing the plate, slide trans forward and rebolt." - taken from this link:

http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/mini...te-155405.html

Looks like I have some work ahead of me...

This thing will never be done and ready to hand off to my Dad...

big mike71 · 05-31-2009, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arad68

Control yourself buddy or at least try

IMO you owe cdowns an apology not another crack, he answered a question then you slam him and act like he's an a$$hole for being mad about it.

Arad68 · 05-31-2009, 03:03 PM

Thanks Mike,

I appreiciate you pointing out my oversight.

Cdowns, you have my apology.

The crack was in response to the dimwit remark.

05-30-2009, 11:13 AM	#1
lks dcvn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 4,339	mini starter installed...loud noise now Just had my mechanic install my exhaust and Skip White mini starter... Good news - 2.5" exhaust sounds great and looks awesome Bad news - mini starter is loud as can be - doesn't sound right to me How are they supposed to sound? It sounds like it is holding the crank a bit too long...

05-30-2009, 11:17 AM	#2
mr48chev Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toppenish, WA Posts: 15,522	Re: mini starter installed...loud noise now Is it noise from the reduction gears or noise from the starter and ring gear? I think those are universally noisy no matter who sells them.

05-30-2009, 11:18 AM	#3
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05-30-2009, 11:36 AM	#4
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05-30-2009, 11:56 AM	#5
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: mini starter installed...loud noise now ministarters should b shimmed for the same 1/8clearance as regular starters __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

05-30-2009, 12:30 PM	#7
IAFF2407 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: White Rock Canada Posts: 865	Re: mini starter installed...loud noise now Arad68, you get up on the wrong side of bed this morning? easy boy. __________________ 1972 GMC Sierra 1972 GMC Super Custom Suburban

05-30-2009, 12:33 PM	#8
Arad68 Trucks N Tranzams Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 816	Re: mini starter installed...loud noise now Thanks, My comments were a little harsh. Simmering down now... __________________ Don '68 Chevy LB 383 TH400/GV/373 posi '56 Chevy 4WD SWB '64 Chevy short stepside '79 Trans Am 455/TH2004R/12blt/4whldisc 95 Kia (Wifes car) 2002 S-10 extended cab pickup "God punishes small sins immediately"

05-30-2009, 02:59 PM	#9
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: mini starter installed...loud noise now yeah if you had read the COMPLETE THREAD you would've seen i answered a question that was asked plain and simple dimwit __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

05-30-2009, 03:47 PM	#10
lks dcvn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 4,339	Re: mini starter installed...loud noise now OK. took it back and they added a few more shims...sounds a lot better now. quick start. now when driving I get a 'ting ting' metal on metal sound when you hit the gas. I don't get that noise in park only when driving... any ideas? sorry for the crappy format - I am typing on my work phone.

05-30-2009, 04:01 PM	#11
jgreene0717 Jason Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Wetumpka, AL Posts: 152	Re: mini starter installed...loud noise now That sounds like you are having a pre ignition ping. Check your total timing with vacuum advance disconnected. You may also try to disconnect vacuum advance and take it for a spin and see if it still does it. If it does not you need a adjustable vacuum advance.

05-31-2009, 10:35 AM	#13
lks dcvn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 4,339	Re: mini starter installed...loud noise now I guess I should clarify - here are the symptoms When I first heard the truck start = loud noise - no metal banging noise when hitting the gas Took it back - they shimmed it - sounds more normal starting - when driving the truck on the road metal banging noise is present when hitting the accelerator...when revving the motor in park - no metal banging noise. Took it back again - they added another shim - no metal noise when revving in park - when driving metal banging noise is present... It sounds like a hammer hitting metal - like it might be the flexplate banging on something. I went out and got some pix this morning - I can see debris on the starter - so it looks like the starter is hitting the flexplate when driving...great. I might clean it off and go for a spin and see if it comes back - that will really let me know - if it is still happening or from when they didn't have the starter shimmed right the first time. I also noted a new oil leak from the spark plug area - tell me this is an easy fix... Attached Images

05-31-2009, 10:39 AM	#14
dan42 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cali Central Coast Posts: 5,191	Re: mini starter installed...loud noise now Uh, that oil leak looks a little milky...not good. __________________ '67 SWB Fleetside ZZ4/350/Tremec 5-speed/4link/Scott's IFS - and fun as heck! SOLD Click here to support the board Philippians 4: 6-7

05-31-2009, 10:40 AM	#15
lks dcvn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 4,339	Re: mini starter installed...loud noise now I will also add some pix of the new exhaust system. Old setup was manifold to a spare set of exhaust with mufflers that just dangled under the truck...did the job - but didn't sound that great... New system: 2.5" center dump manifolds 2.5" aluminized exhaust tube Flowsound 2.5" mufflers Attached Images

05-31-2009, 11:15 AM	#16
lks dcvn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 4,339	Re: mini starter installed...loud noise now milky oil - nope - might be from the GUNK engine cleaner that was still on the block. I had to find out where the leak was coming from so I doused the block so I could find the source... don't scare me like that.. My next question - if it turns out to be the flexplate - my trans guy is 40 miles away - I doubt it would be safe to drive it that far to have it looked at right...I might be screwed here as I don't have a trailer to get it there - I would need to drive it. Also - why would the banging happen only in D and not at idle or revving in park? Last edited by lks dcvn; 05-31-2009 at 11:18 AM.

05-31-2009, 11:31 AM	#17
Arad68 Trucks N Tranzams Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 816	Re: mini starter installed...loud noise now Thats a good looking truck. Inspect the flexplate for scuff marks where it may have contacted the starter while you were driving. You can do this with a good size screwdriver to turn the flexplate. Somtimes you may be able turn it with your hands and a good pair of gloves. There should be at least 1/16th of an inch between the starter gear and the flexplate. If there has been contact, the flexplate or ring gear may be warped or not properly installed. Observe the flexplate with the engine running. This would be the easiest way to see. Don't get under the truck while it's running. If it shows untrueness, the ring gear is bent or not properly installed. There maybe corrosion or dirt/grease build up on the crankshaft flange. Clean off the oil leakage to observe for any obvious defects such as cracks. This will also allow for a clear look were the leak is coming from after it has leaked again. Dan42 has a good eye, it looks kind of "milky" indicating the presense of water in the leak. __________________ Don '68 Chevy LB 383 TH400/GV/373 posi '56 Chevy 4WD SWB '64 Chevy short stepside '79 Trans Am 455/TH2004R/12blt/4whldisc 95 Kia (Wifes car) 2002 S-10 extended cab pickup "God punishes small sins immediately" Last edited by Arad68; 05-31-2009 at 11:33 AM.



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05-31-2009, 12:12 PM	#18
lks dcvn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 4,339	Re: mini starter installed...loud noise now Flexplate has some damage on it - but not sure if that was before they shimmed it correctly... After looking at another post - some people have taken a bit off the end of the drive gear to alleviate the issue... http://www.trifive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25045 Another post I found said that the flexplate was cupped (it was round but cupped so the teeth were too close for the new starter) http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=273647 I did find an easy way to swap the flexplate w/o having to drop the complete trans... "Hi,the easy way to change the flex plate is,get some 4 inch long bolts,remove all the trans to block bolts and replace the bottom 2 bolts with the long bolts,remove drive shaft,and shifter,slide trans back on long bolts ,you probably wont have enough room to slide trans all the way back.,,after changing the plate, slide trans forward and rebolt." - taken from this link: http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/mini...te-155405.html Looks like I have some work ahead of me... This thing will never be done and ready to hand off to my Dad... Attached Images Last edited by lks dcvn; 05-31-2009 at 12:13 PM. Reason: forgot the pix...

05-31-2009, 03:03 PM	#20
Arad68 Trucks N Tranzams Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 816	Re: mini starter installed...loud noise now Thanks Mike, I appreiciate you pointing out my oversight. Cdowns, you have my apology. The crack was in response to the dimwit remark. __________________ Don '68 Chevy LB 383 TH400/GV/373 posi '56 Chevy 4WD SWB '64 Chevy short stepside '79 Trans Am 455/TH2004R/12blt/4whldisc 95 Kia (Wifes car) 2002 S-10 extended cab pickup "God punishes small sins immediately" Last edited by Arad68; 05-31-2009 at 03:04 PM.

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