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FRENCHBLUE72 · 06-28-2009, 06:16 PM

The starter in my truck seems to have died.. I took it out ran to shucks and they said it tested fine? So I run back home throw her back in the truck and I get nothing? No click click no poof up in flames nothing. So I grab my handy screw driver and try to jump it on the solionod....nothing? However when I turn the ing key to the crank position the volt gauge drops down to 10 volts... Soooo anyone have any ideas here cause I also went to vato zone and they said it was good????????

**GR8-68** · 06-28-2009, 06:20 PM

did you ever think to check and see if your battery was charged or good?

PanelDeland · 06-28-2009, 06:41 PM

Sounds like a bad cell in the battery to me.If it doesn't click or try to turn over the battery may be shorting when it has a draw applied.Just a thought.

FRENCHBLUE72 · 06-28-2009, 06:45 PM

I have the battery on the charger right as soon as the wife gets home with the blazer ill swap batterys.... Btw the battery is less than 3 months old from sears....

**Stocker** · 06-28-2009, 07:08 PM

Two places tested it & said it was good.... Bad battery sounds reasonable; even new ones can fail. If not that, maybe a bad cable or connection? I *think* poor connections can cause excessive current draw, which can result in a lower voltage reading.

FRENCHBLUE72 · 06-28-2009, 07:43 PM

Battery is now fully charged and same thing .. I cant even jump it with the screw driver.... and yes still waiting on the little lady to get home to swap batterys...

haysonj · 06-28-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FRENCHBLUE72

Battery is now fully charged and same thing .. I cant even jump it with the screw driver.... and yes still waiting on the little lady to get home to swap batterys...

Try running a jumper from the negative side of the battery to the starter housing to make sure you have a good ground.Also did they check the solenoid with the starter.

FRENCHBLUE72 · 06-28-2009, 08:04 PM

I swapped the solinoid as I thought that was what was wrong at first... I also ran a wire from the negitive battery post to the starter... same thing?

haysonj · 06-28-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FRENCHBLUE72

I swapped the solinoid as I thought that was what was wrong at first... I also ran a wire from the negitive battery post to the starter... same thing?

If you tried all this it has to be in the wiring. I would take the starter out and hook it to a battery with jumper cables then run a wire from the ign side of the starter to pos and see if it engages be careful as it will want to jump around. Make sure you are hooking the ign wire to the right post.

bigbadchev72 · 06-28-2009, 09:22 PM

Bad battery cable/connection

bigguy69 · 06-28-2009, 09:37 PM

i had a bad ground one time that caused the same thing. i ran a ground wire from the block to the frame and then from the block to neg. side of the battery. it seemed to fix it.

ol'blu72 · 06-28-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbadchev72

bad battery cable/connection

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FRENCHBLUE72 · 06-28-2009, 10:19 PM

Ok so I pulled the starter from the truck agian...... I took my battery charger and hooked the red to the batt lug on the solonoid and the black wire on one of the front starter bolts that goes through the case. I took a piece of wire with an eyelet on it and hooked it to the s side of the solonoid and touched the stripped end of said wire to the positive battery lug on the soloniod....and ....................... guess what happend...... nothing so??? do I need jumper cables and try this with a battery? stummmped.........

Shyguy · 06-28-2009, 10:31 PM

I have never had much luck using a battery charger to test a starter.

If I remember right it takes between 100 and 150 amps to kick a starter.

It really sounds like you have a wiring or connection problem.

Not long ago I was at a gas station filling up, when I went to start the truck-nothing. It turned out there was some corrosion on the battery terminals. The corrosion was not real visible, but when I cleaned the battery terminals and connections and hooked it back up it started without a problem.

Danny

haysonj · 06-28-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FRENCHBLUE72

Ok so I pulled the starter from the truck agian...... I took my battery charger and hooked the red to the batt lug on the solonoid and the black wire on one of the front starter bolts that goes through the case. I took a piece of wire with an eyelet on it and hooked it to the s side of the solonoid and touched the stripped end of said wire to the positive battery lug on the soloniod....and ....................... guess what happend...... nothing so??? do I need jumper cables and try this with a battery? stummmped.........

touch the pos to the copper connection at the back of the solenoid and see if the starter spins. If it does then the solenoid is no good
The battery charger does not have enough cranking amps to really spin the starter but it should turn it with no load.

FRENCHBLUE72 · 06-28-2009, 10:43 PM

I also tried the jumper cable idea and nothing but...... I did notice the solinoid was getting warm....

haysonj · 06-28-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FRENCHBLUE72

I also tried the jumper cable idea and nothing but...... I did notice the solinoid was getting warm....

I think you may have a bad solenoid. I just went out to the garage and took one of my old starters and hooked to the charger and it spun right over. had to put the charger on manual

FRENCHBLUE72 · 06-28-2009, 11:08 PM

Ok so I hooked the charger up to it and it wanted to turn but was really (drawing some power makin mmmmmmmmmm noise)it very very slowly turned then stopped..... My guess is that the starter is a p.o.s. but I dont under stand how vato zone and smucks got it to test fine?

Longhorn321 · 06-28-2009, 11:36 PM

A volt meter will tell you what you need to know. Put the red lead on the starter lug...the one after the solenoid and the black one in the center of the neg. post of the battery. Hit the key. If you don't get 12 volts, you have a voltage drop somewhere. Start backing up the circuit witht the red lead. First the other side of the solenoid, then the outside of the pos. terminal. If you do see 12 volts on the first measurement, start moving your ground lead. First the outside of the neg. terminal then the chassis, then the engine block. If you see 12 volts from the case of the starter to the starter lug of the starter...go buy a starter.

FRENCHBLUE72 · 06-29-2009, 10:51 PM

Well guys I took it to a little guy shop here in town and the starter is junk.... So I bought a new mini starter for $100 bones.. Thanks for all the help and knowledge you guys have given me..

**Stocker** · 06-30-2009, 12:42 AM

Glad ya got it working, Luke. Better luck with the new one!

Longhorn321 · 06-30-2009, 08:03 AM

There is a shop just for little guys?

J/K Glad you got it going.

06-28-2009, 06:16 PM	#1
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,606	Need some starter help.... The starter in my truck seems to have died.. I took it out ran to shucks and they said it tested fine? So I run back home throw her back in the truck and I get nothing? No click click no poof up in flames nothing. So I grab my handy screw driver and try to jump it on the solionod....nothing? However when I turn the ing key to the crank position the volt gauge drops down to 10 volts... Soooo anyone have any ideas here cause I also went to vato zone and they said it was good???????? __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

06-28-2009, 06:20 PM	#2
GR8-68 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Belews Creek , NC Posts: 4,220	Re: Need some started help.... did you ever think to check and see if your battery was charged or good?

06-28-2009, 06:41 PM	#3
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06-28-2009, 06:45 PM	#4
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,606	Re: Need some started help.... I have the battery on the charger right as soon as the wife gets home with the blazer ill swap batterys.... Btw the battery is less than 3 months old from sears.... __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

06-28-2009, 07:08 PM	#5
Stocker 20' Daredevil (Ret) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jefferson State Posts: 13,722	Re: Need some started help.... Two places tested it & said it was good.... Bad battery sounds reasonable; even new ones can fail. If not that, maybe a bad cable or connection? I think poor connections can cause excessive current draw, which can result in a lower voltage reading. __________________ - Mike - 1972 K20 LWB 350/350/205 RIP El Jay

06-28-2009, 07:43 PM	#6
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,606	Re: Need some started help.... Battery is now fully charged and same thing .. I cant even jump it with the screw driver.... and yes still waiting on the little lady to get home to swap batterys... __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

06-28-2009, 08:04 PM	#8
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,606	Re: Need some started help.... I swapped the solinoid as I thought that was what was wrong at first... I also ran a wire from the negitive battery post to the starter... same thing? __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

06-28-2009, 09:22 PM	#10
bigbadchev72 People know me Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hermiston, oregon Posts: 840	Re: Need some started help.... Bad battery cable/connection __________________ 1972 k/5 blazer CST 4X4 Crate 350, th350/205, dana44with trac-loc/14 bolt with detroit locker, 4 wheel discs 4.56s, 8" suspension lift using 73-87springs, 1" zerorate custom front crossmember, HAD CV drivelines and driveshaft e-brake, full cage, PRP seats, Full autometer gauges, 38x14.5x16 Toyo M/Ts, 16x10 Polished aluminum rockcrusher wheels 1967 longbox 4x4, Strong 400/400/208, 44/12bolt 4.10s, 6" lift, 35" Toyo M/Ts on corvette rally wheels

06-28-2009, 09:37 PM	#11
bigguy69 dazed and confused Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: marion nc Posts: 1,649	Re: Need some started help.... i had a bad ground one time that caused the same thing. i ran a ground wire from the block to the frame and then from the block to neg. side of the battery. it seemed to fix it. __________________ members met: redbaron69, billsbowtie,nc67

06-28-2009, 10:19 PM	#13
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,606	Re: Need some starter help.... Ok so I pulled the starter from the truck agian...... I took my battery charger and hooked the red to the batt lug on the solonoid and the black wire on one of the front starter bolts that goes through the case. I took a piece of wire with an eyelet on it and hooked it to the s side of the solonoid and touched the stripped end of said wire to the positive battery lug on the soloniod....and ....................... guess what happend...... nothing so??? do I need jumper cables and try this with a battery? stummmped......... __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

06-28-2009, 10:31 PM	#14
Shyguy Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Southeast Missouri Posts: 2,436	Re: Need some starter help.... I have never had much luck using a battery charger to test a starter. If I remember right it takes between 100 and 150 amps to kick a starter. It really sounds like you have a wiring or connection problem. Not long ago I was at a gas station filling up, when I went to start the truck-nothing. It turned out there was some corrosion on the battery terminals. The corrosion was not real visible, but when I cleaned the battery terminals and connections and hooked it back up it started without a problem. Danny __________________ '67 Chevy C-20 short stepper - build complete, 454/SM-465. '75 C-30 Single Cab DRW-350 small block/NP-435. '77 GMC-6500 Dump Truck, 427 Tall Deck. '92 GMC K-3500 Duallie, 454/4L80E.

06-28-2009, 10:43 PM	#16
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,606	Re: Need some starter help.... I also tried the jumper cable idea and nothing but...... I did notice the solinoid was getting warm.... __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

06-28-2009, 11:08 PM	#18
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,606	Re: Need some starter help.... Ok so I hooked the charger up to it and it wanted to turn but was really (drawing some power makin mmmmmmmmmm noise)it very very slowly turned then stopped..... My guess is that the starter is a p.o.s. but I dont under stand how vato zone and smucks got it to test fine? __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

06-28-2009, 11:36 PM	#19
Longhorn321 Size Matters Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lyman, SC Posts: 9,189	Re: Need some starter help.... A volt meter will tell you what you need to know. Put the red lead on the starter lug...the one after the solenoid and the black one in the center of the neg. post of the battery. Hit the key. If you don't get 12 volts, you have a voltage drop somewhere. Start backing up the circuit witht the red lead. First the other side of the solenoid, then the outside of the pos. terminal. If you do see 12 volts on the first measurement, start moving your ground lead. First the outside of the neg. terminal then the chassis, then the engine block. If you see 12 volts from the case of the starter to the starter lug of the starter...go buy a starter. __________________ "Reading the owners manual is only for quitters." Jason Harper, Bloomberg News. ...WOOOO HOOOO!!!! Last edited by Longhorn321; 06-28-2009 at 11:39 PM.

06-29-2009, 10:51 PM	#20
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,606	Re: Need some starter help.... Well guys I took it to a little guy shop here in town and the starter is junk.... So I bought a new mini starter for $100 bones.. Thanks for all the help and knowledge you guys have given me.. __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..



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06-30-2009, 12:42 AM	#21
Stocker 20' Daredevil (Ret) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jefferson State Posts: 13,722	Re: Need some starter help.... Glad ya got it working, Luke. Better luck with the new one! __________________ - Mike - 1972 K20 LWB 350/350/205 RIP El Jay

06-30-2009, 08:03 AM	#22
Longhorn321 Size Matters Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lyman, SC Posts: 9,189	Re: Need some starter help.... There is a shop just for little guys? J/K Glad you got it going. __________________ "Reading the owners manual is only for quitters." Jason Harper, Bloomberg News. ...WOOOO HOOOO!!!!

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