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Atl69C10 · 05-18-2002, 11:29 PM

I am in the process of gathering all the neccessary parts to make my 69 a daily driver. I purchased a new oil pan, new fuel pump, pads and shoes, and a real seal for the 3spd trans. My first question is the truck needs a new radiator, it currently has a 3 row radiator and I would like to put in a 4. Will this require new brackets to hold the radiator in? If so, were can I find them?
The second question is, I would like to install an electric fan. What brands have people had good luck with and what is the best way to a temp switch? Also, I plan a putting A/C in the truck, does this mean I need to use a dual fan setup? Thank you for any help you can provide

*Zkast* · 05-18-2002, 11:36 PM

Not sure about the brackets but, Why not keep the 3 row core, put a fan/shroud on it and be done?

I run a 3 row with electric fan (12in) and its barely enough airflow on a hot day and being run hard (no a/c). If your stuck on running elec fans, get 2 12in fans and stay with the 3 row. Elec fans dont have much torque and could not pull as much air through a 4 row

We had a customer come in the other day and wanted one of these installed http://www.flex-a-lite.com/auto/Appl.../fulltruck.htm seemed to have everything needed.

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'71 LWB
350/350T, PS/PB
Special options? Yes, RUST... Need some?

Garrett - Olathe, Kansas

[This message has been edited by Zkast (edited May 18, 2002).]

KNUCKLEHEAD · 05-18-2002, 11:50 PM

You don't need to change your brackets as far as I know. E-mail me and I will scan an article for you that I read in Popular Hot Rodding, it should help you out in your electric fan situation. KNUCKLEHEAD198@HOTMAIL.COM

*Zkast* · 05-19-2002, 12:14 AM

Just took a look in LMC and noticed that the actual metal brackets are the same but the rubber insert is different. I'm sure you could cut your one out to match the 4 row.

here's the part # for the rubber insert just in case:
32-0955 support pad (4 row) 3.95 ea

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Pictures and more...
piston@zkast.com
'71 LWB
350/350T, PS/PB
Special options? Yes, RUST... Need some?

Garrett - Olathe, Kansas

Atl69C10 · 05-19-2002, 07:09 AM

Thanks for the info., I'm wanting to use the electric fans just in case I get caught in Atlanta traffic. I don't want the truck to overheat everytime it hits some traffic. Anyway, I was wondering, don't you have to have a 4 row radiator if you have A/C? I'm going top add A/C in a month or so and want to make sure tha Radiator I buy will handle it.

BubbaGreen · 05-19-2002, 07:54 AM

Hey guys....the 4-core radiators do require
bigger brackets...The tanks (outside part of
the radiator) measure 2-3/4" inches on a
3-core radiator and jump to 3-1/2 on a 4-core.
Installing a 4-core will require new upper &
lower mounts, and all new pads. GMCPauls
sells them if you need a vendor....Just note:
Installing the bigger lower radiator mount,
you will need to make a notch in the core
support to allow the mount to extend out
slightly. (according to GMCPaul, this is the
way the factory did this) Also, I ordered
some standard radiator mounts from him which
did NOT fit the radiator....had an inner opening of only 2-1/2", too small to fit.

If it were me, I would keep the 3-core, but take a look at USRadiator.com , they sell a
high efficency rad, and and ultra high effeciency one....and can ship direct to you.
We just put a 4-core in another truck, radiator purchased from 1-800-Radiator and the 4-core mounts/rubbers from GMCPauls, it
fit (ok), but had trouble with SBC shround
not really matching up well. I purchase a
3-core high effeciency rad for my truck, havent got that far, so dont have any further
info on it....just got my truck frame back from the sandblasters and will be starting
re-assembly soon.

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71 Chevy C-10 SWB Fleetside WAS:307w/3-on-the-tree NOW:350TBI/700R4/3.73
See it at www.prismnet.com/~grzanich

PanelDeland · 05-19-2002, 09:14 AM

Hey Atl69C10, You might want to come to Marrietta Ga. to the Auto fair on the 25th and meet some of the members.There may even be enough of us with trucks there to be able to look and measure.Maybe someone will have done this and you can actually look at what they had to modify.

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Deland does Chevys 68Chevy panel(LIZ)
"A man and his truck,it's a beautiful thing"
"I have the body of a god,unfortunately it's Budda"

bigvinnie · 05-19-2002, 01:28 PM

I'm running a 4 row radiator with an A/C condensor and trans cooler in front of it.... using a Flex-a-lite Black Magic electric fan that I got from summit... it's a single 15 inch unit that comes with its own shroud and temp sensor... truck runs cool in stop n go traffic with A/C running.

I can get pics and more info if interested.

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'72 short step, 350, 700R4, tilt, ps, pdb, a/c, lowered coils, etc., other work in progress... San Diego, CA
http://www.ixpres.com/vlusardi/chevtrk.htm

PushinPebbles · 05-19-2002, 04:14 PM

come on guys i thought that there was
scavaging HOT RODDERs in here.
The car lot my neighbor has , has some newer cars w/ elec fans in them
my dad has a hot 454 runnig on a 4 coil
w/ 2 elec fans from a japanese car
Mostly because there isnt much room in there

The good thing about elec fans is that you can run them to a seperate switch and run
them when the truck is parked

ohhhh my truck has a car 4 coil in it the mount fit just fine......................Jack

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Jack M. 14
67 C-10 SWB 355 built T-350 tranny hurst shifter 15x8 &15x10in corvette rallys slammed**hopefully bagged this summer**
88 1/2 ton suburban 4x4 350/700R-4*having a 9 in lift w/ 38 in tires
69 SWB-parts
71 LWB-parts
72- LWB-parts
grand dads truck 68 C-10 stepside fuel inj. 350/700R-4*soon in audi silver*

Orence1 · 05-19-2002, 08:13 PM

I am in the process of switching from a 3 core to a 4 core. The upper and lower brackets do need to be changed. The 4 core is wider and will not sit down into the 3 core mounts and the upper brackets will not span the top of the 3 core tank. I just purchased the lower brackets and 4 new rubber inserts (I had the top brackets). The old brackets are riveted to the core support so the rivets will need to be ground off and replaced with a bolt system in the new 4 core brackets. All this being said, I am changing because I am pulling ny 350 and installing a very muscular 402. My 3 core worked great with the 350. Never had a problem with it. I don't think you will gain anything by switching to a 4 core if you are running a SB. Good luck
Larry

05-18-2002, 11:29 PM	#1
Atl69C10 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta,GA Posts: 14	Gathering parts and have a few Questions.... I am in the process of gathering all the neccessary parts to make my 69 a daily driver. I purchased a new oil pan, new fuel pump, pads and shoes, and a real seal for the 3spd trans. My first question is the truck needs a new radiator, it currently has a 3 row radiator and I would like to put in a 4. Will this require new brackets to hold the radiator in? If so, were can I find them? The second question is, I would like to install an electric fan. What brands have people had good luck with and what is the best way to a temp switch? Also, I plan a putting A/C in the truck, does this mean I need to use a dual fan setup? Thank you for any help you can provide

05-19-2002, 07:54 AM	#6
BubbaGreen Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cedar Park, TX Posts: 686	Hey guys....the 4-core radiators do require bigger brackets...The tanks (outside part of the radiator) measure 2-3/4" inches on a 3-core radiator and jump to 3-1/2 on a 4-core. Installing a 4-core will require new upper & lower mounts, and all new pads. GMCPauls sells them if you need a vendor....Just note: Installing the bigger lower radiator mount, you will need to make a notch in the core support to allow the mount to extend out slightly. (according to GMCPaul, this is the way the factory did this) Also, I ordered some standard radiator mounts from him which did NOT fit the radiator....had an inner opening of only 2-1/2", too small to fit. If it were me, I would keep the 3-core, but take a look at USRadiator.com , they sell a high efficency rad, and and ultra high effeciency one....and can ship direct to you. We just put a 4-core in another truck, radiator purchased from 1-800-Radiator and the 4-core mounts/rubbers from GMCPauls, it fit (ok), but had trouble with SBC shround not really matching up well. I purchase a 3-core high effeciency rad for my truck, havent got that far, so dont have any further info on it....just got my truck frame back from the sandblasters and will be starting re-assembly soon. ------------------ 71 Chevy C-10 SWB Fleetside WAS:307w/3-on-the-tree NOW:350TBI/700R4/3.73 See it at www.prismnet.com/~grzanich __________________ 71 Chevy C-10 SWB Fleetside RamJet-350/4L60e & Compushift/3.73Posi See it at www.prismnet.com/~grzanich

05-19-2002, 09:14 AM	#7
PanelDeland I am a Referee of life. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Greensboro N.C. Posts: 13,992	Hey Atl69C10, You might want to come to Marrietta Ga. to the Auto fair on the 25th and meet some of the members.There may even be enough of us with trucks there to be able to look and measure.Maybe someone will have done this and you can actually look at what they had to modify. ------------------ Deland does Chevys 68Chevy panel(LIZ) "A man and his truck,it's a beautiful thing" "I have the body of a god,unfortunately it's Budda" __________________ The 47-present Chevrolet and GMC Truck Message Board Network,it's owners,moderators,members,and associates of any type should not be held responsible for my opinion. You can't fix stupid,not even with duct tape. "My appearance is due to the fact that "GOD" does punish you for having too much fun!" Barrett-Jackson has perfected alchemy,they make rust into gold! "You can lead a horse to water but you can't saddle a duck" "Cleverly disguised as a 'Responsible Adult' "Sometimes your Knight in shining armor is just a retard in tinfoil"

05-19-2002, 01:28 PM	#8
bigvinnie Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: escondido, ca 92026 Posts: 1,222	I'm running a 4 row radiator with an A/C condensor and trans cooler in front of it.... using a Flex-a-lite Black Magic electric fan that I got from summit... it's a single 15 inch unit that comes with its own shroud and temp sensor... truck runs cool in stop n go traffic with A/C running. I can get pics and more info if interested. ------------------ '72 short step, 350, 700R4, tilt, ps, pdb, a/c, lowered coils, etc., other work in progress... San Diego, CA http://www.ixpres.com/vlusardi/chevtrk.htm __________________ '72 short step, 350, 700R4, tilt, ps, pdb, a/c, lowered coils, etc., other work in progress... San Diego, CA 72 Stepside Project

05-19-2002, 04:14 PM	#9
PushinPebbles My dad's 68 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VA Posts: 444	come on guys i thought that there was scavaging HOT RODDERs in here. The car lot my neighbor has , has some newer cars w/ elec fans in them my dad has a hot 454 runnig on a 4 coil w/ 2 elec fans from a japanese car Mostly because there isnt much room in there The good thing about elec fans is that you can run them to a seperate switch and run them when the truck is parked ohhhh my truck has a car 4 coil in it the mount fit just fine......................Jack ------------------ Jack M. 14 67 C-10 SWB 355 built T-350 tranny hurst shifter 15x8 &15x10in corvette rallys slammedhopefully bagged this summer 88 1/2 ton suburban 4x4 350/700R-4having a 9 in lift w/ 38 in tires 69 SWB-parts 71 LWB-parts 72- LWB-parts grand dads truck 68 C-10 stepside fuel inj. 350/700R-4soon in audi silver* __________________ Jack M. 67 C-10 SWB 355 built T-350 tranny hurst shifter 17x8in KMC's on michelins, clear tails and back up lights slammedUPDATE i have decided on my bag setup and will post further info when i recieve all the parts **************************** 88 1/2 ton suburban 4x4 350/700R-4having a 9 in lift w/ 38 in tires 4 12 inch Lightning Audios *************************** 87 silverado 3/4ton jacked up 10-12 inches black and rubberized bed coating 35 in michelans ************************** Dad's truck 68 C-10 stepside, 468 BB, tubbed, weld wheels, Nason black,lots more **************************** grand dads truck 68 C-10 stepside fuel inj. 350/700R-4soon in audi silver **************************** 84 toyota pickup 22R 5 speed 2WD slammed, shaved and all the body lines filled w/ buickGN scoop,bout to be sprayed in 2003 mustang green metallic w/ silver flames **************************** S/N=BIGGYTYME@aol.com (hydros) "No fat chics, truck will scrape"

05-18-2002, 11:36 PM	#2
Zkast Account Suspended Join Date: May 2002 Location: Olathe, Kansas Posts: 929	Not sure about the brackets but, Why not keep the 3 row core, put a fan/shroud on it and be done? I run a 3 row with electric fan (12in) and its barely enough airflow on a hot day and being run hard (no a/c). If your stuck on running elec fans, get 2 12in fans and stay with the 3 row. Elec fans dont have much torque and could not pull as much air through a 4 row We had a customer come in the other day and wanted one of these installed http://www.flex-a-lite.com/auto/Appl.../fulltruck.htm seemed to have everything needed. ------------------ Pictures and more... piston@zkast.com '71 LWB 350/350T, PS/PB Special options? Yes, RUST... Need some? Garrett - Olathe, Kansas [This message has been edited by Zkast (edited May 18, 2002).]

05-18-2002, 11:50 PM	#3
KNUCKLEHEAD Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: S.C. U.S. Posts: 34	You don't need to change your brackets as far as I know. E-mail me and I will scan an article for you that I read in Popular Hot Rodding, it should help you out in your electric fan situation. KNUCKLEHEAD198@HOTMAIL.COM

05-19-2002, 12:14 AM	#4
Zkast Account Suspended Join Date: May 2002 Location: Olathe, Kansas Posts: 929	Just took a look in LMC and noticed that the actual metal brackets are the same but the rubber insert is different. I'm sure you could cut your one out to match the 4 row. here's the part # for the rubber insert just in case: 32-0955 support pad (4 row) 3.95 ea ------------------ Pictures and more... piston@zkast.com '71 LWB 350/350T, PS/PB Special options? Yes, RUST... Need some? Garrett - Olathe, Kansas

05-19-2002, 07:09 AM	#5
Atl69C10 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta,GA Posts: 14	Thanks for the info., I'm wanting to use the electric fans just in case I get caught in Atlanta traffic. I don't want the truck to overheat everytime it hits some traffic. Anyway, I was wondering, don't you have to have a 4 row radiator if you have A/C? I'm going top add A/C in a month or so and want to make sure tha Radiator I buy will handle it.

05-19-2002, 08:13 PM	#10
Orence1 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 548	I am in the process of switching from a 3 core to a 4 core. The upper and lower brackets do need to be changed. The 4 core is wider and will not sit down into the 3 core mounts and the upper brackets will not span the top of the 3 core tank. I just purchased the lower brackets and 4 new rubber inserts (I had the top brackets). The old brackets are riveted to the core support so the rivets will need to be ground off and replaced with a bolt system in the new 4 core brackets. All this being said, I am changing because I am pulling ny 350 and installing a very muscular 402. My 3 core worked great with the 350. Never had a problem with it. I don't think you will gain anything by switching to a 4 core if you are running a SB. Good luck Larry



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