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**1971 GMC SHORTY** · 07-21-2009, 10:56 PM

Whats The Deal Dirty Air Filters, Air Cleaners Small Enough For a Mini Bike, All Twisted from Being Dirty... This is Your Air going Inside YOUR High Priced Motor. Close one Of You Air Passages air try and RUN... CLEAN AIR AND LOTS OF IT MOTORS LOVE IT HELPS THE 1 PHASE OF A GREAT RUNNING MOTOR.... MY 0.2 CENTS

67ChevyRedneck · 07-21-2009, 11:07 PM

Care to elaborate on where this disgracefullness is occuring?

LOW DOUGH · 07-21-2009, 11:14 PM

that's just funny

Jim_PA · 07-22-2009, 12:14 AM

Hey man, puf-puf-give

**mr48chev** · 07-22-2009, 01:19 AM

Oops, busted by the air cleaner Police. I'll be and sure to pick up a new element this weekend Officer.
Mine is a 14 inch but I do believe that it is pretty dirty at the moment.

tim21391 · 07-22-2009, 01:44 AM

what would u say if i dont have an air cleaner on my truck now?

Jacfourteen · 07-22-2009, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tim21391

what would u say if i dont have an air cleaner on my truck now?

That sure flows good!

*72lb4x4* · 07-22-2009, 02:56 AM

With no air cleaner I'd say you must not be too fond of your engine...

petey-pablo · 07-22-2009, 03:41 AM

Oops Im guilty I haven't cleaned mine or reoild it, I guess I was waiting on completeing my truck first then cleaning it when I start driving it...

**special-K** · 07-22-2009, 05:31 AM

I guess he`s saying that in many pictures of motors he has noticed a significant amount of undersized and/or dirty air filters and feels that needs to brought up.I agree 100% with the point he made.Engines are air pumps that run on combustion created by adding a small amount of fuel to the air.I wonder how many gallons of air per mile we use.
There`s a formula that determines the cubic area of an air cleaner for a given displacement.Going bigger is never a bad thing.Dirt reduces the effective cubic dimension and we all know that a dirty filter kills power as well as fuel economy.It`s a cheap part to replace and is the single best way to assure optimum fuel economy,providing timing and carb are set correctly.I think that`s the only point he was trying to make.

Tx Firefighter · 07-22-2009, 07:51 AM

I'm way ahead of you. My 327 has two mouths to breathe through.

my67chevytruck · 07-22-2009, 07:54 AM

That came out great Kevin....

OldSkool71 · 07-22-2009, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tx Firefighter

I'm way ahead of you. My 327 has two mouths to breathe through.

me likey....

72BlckButy · 07-22-2009, 08:15 AM

Kevin, that turned out great! PC'd I suppose?

Tx Firefighter · 07-22-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 72BlckButy

Kevin, that turned out great! PC'd I suppose?

Of course. If it's metal and I can fit it into my oven, I coat it. I even powdercoated my last IPOD and my keychain. I bring stuff home off of my firetruck and coat it too. Sure makes the other engine companies jealous.

hotrod 80 · 07-22-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Tx Firefighter

Of course. If it's metal and I can fit it into my oven, I coat it. I even powdercoated my last IPOD and my keychain. I bring stuff home off of my firetruck and coat it too. Sure makes the other engine companies jealous.

Pics of the ipod and keycjhain please .

Tx Firefighter · 07-22-2009, 08:57 AM

Okay, I will get them out of my locker and snap pics when I get to work Friday.

VanceH · 07-22-2009, 10:16 AM

OK so here is the question, the first post is about dirty and SMALL air cleaner, i have a small 8 inch on my 350, but really whats the diff between an 8 inch and the one TX build, his two holes dont add up to 8 inch????

Tx Firefighter · 07-22-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by VanceH

OK so here is the question, the first post is about dirty and SMALL air cleaner, i have a small 8 inch on my 350, but really whats the diff between an 8 inch and the one TX build, his two holes dont add up to 8 inch????

I agree, assuming your 8 inch filter is 3 inches tall, that's roughly 25 square inches of surface area. Mine is like 6 square inches at best. But, look at the surface area of the carburetor inlet. It's no where near even 25 square inches. All of this assumes a nice clean filter though. I realize that the filter getting somewhat clogged requires a greater surface area potential to keep from being a restriction.

I just did mine on a whim. I've always just run a single snorkel stocker on my mild engines with no complaint. Since my engine has a Corvette theme, I went with the extra snorkel simply to make it look a bit Vett-ish. Plus, I'm louvering the hell out of my hood, so I needed protection from water. Compromises...

**N2TRUX** · 07-22-2009, 10:24 AM

Your iPod? How did it like the oven temps?

VanceH · 07-22-2009, 10:27 AM

Dont get me wrong i love the whole snorkle thing and TWO thats just sick!!! But i thought that by removing the whole stock air cleaner and going with even a small open sided cleaner you would get more air? If this is not the case i would like to get in line for a double snorkle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stealthy '69 · 07-22-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by VanceH

his two holes dont add up to 8 inch????

I think I peed my pants when I saw that

**Stocker** · 07-22-2009, 11:09 AM

Interesting thread, and it's certainly nothing new. I recall seeing pics in magazines when I was a kid (a looooong time ago!) and there were magnificent-looking engines with oh-so-tiny air cleaners. Even though I wasn't old enough to drive, it just didn't seem right to me...

vectorit · 07-22-2009, 11:14 AM

Here's a pic of my dual snorkel air cleaner.

It's a stock 65 SS set up I think? I liked it, so I went with it as well.

ll____b0t____ll · 07-22-2009, 12:27 PM

Its been my experiance that the more cubic inch's the more air is needed to feed that thirst for air.

A few years back I was given one of those triangle edelbrock top air cleaners cuz I was told it would wake my 400 s/b right up and look good doing it.

Well it looked good but it was easy to see the diference in the timeslips at the 1320.
I had lost more than a second...thats huge.
I started experimenting with diferent size air elements and honestly what I found is running the largest element that fit under a persons hood netted the best performance.
Now I cant speak to gas milage as I hadnt tested for that.
But I always either change out or clean my air element ever oil change depending on what Im running I.E KnN filters are reusable.
I also find thats a good time to replace the fuel filter element, greese the suspention , clean the batterey terminals, and a few other things.

07-21-2009, 10:56 PM	#1
1971 GMC SHORTY Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SAN FERNANDO VALLE SOL CAL Posts: 1,064	I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners Whats The Deal Dirty Air Filters, Air Cleaners Small Enough For a Mini Bike, All Twisted from Being Dirty... This is Your Air going Inside YOUR High Priced Motor. Close one Of You Air Passages air try and RUN... CLEAN AIR AND LOTS OF IT MOTORS LOVE IT HELPS THE 1 PHASE OF A GREAT RUNNING MOTOR.... MY 0.2 CENTS

07-21-2009, 11:07 PM	#2
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners Care to elaborate on where this disgracefullness is occuring? __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications! Last edited by 67ChevyRedneck; 07-21-2009 at 11:08 PM.

07-21-2009, 11:14 PM	#3
LOW DOUGH I'M TRUCK CRAZY! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sachse, TEXAS Posts: 1,737	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners that's just funny

07-22-2009, 12:14 AM	#4
Jim_PA Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: PA Posts: 2,696	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners Hey man, puf-puf-give

07-22-2009, 01:19 AM	#5
mr48chev Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toppenish, WA Posts: 15,708	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners Oops, busted by the air cleaner Police. I'll be and sure to pick up a new element this weekend Officer. Mine is a 14 inch but I do believe that it is pretty dirty at the moment.

07-22-2009, 01:44 AM	#6
tim21391 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Salina, Kansas Posts: 1,998	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners what would u say if i dont have an air cleaner on my truck now? __________________ 1972 C-10...402/400..flowmaster 40 series 1967 Mustang 347 stroker/C-4 1966 Mustang 289/3-speed 2013 Mustang V6/6speed w/300 ponies I may be 23, but i sure do knows 67-72s are sexy! Its not MPG its smiles per gallon! build started 11/25/08 build thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s....php?p=2993796

07-22-2009, 02:56 AM	#8
72lb4x4 Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: DFW Posts: 1,427	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners With no air cleaner I'd say you must not be too fond of your engine...

07-22-2009, 03:41 AM	#9
petey-pablo "THE GREEN GOBLIN" Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Fremont Ca. Posts: 1,025	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners Oops Im guilty I haven't cleaned mine or reoild it, I guess I was waiting on completeing my truck first then cleaning it when I start driving it... __________________ Petey-pablo "THE GREEN GOBLIN" 1972 Cheyenne 10 Short Fleet Side Front 2.5inch Spindles with 2inch Springs Rear 4inch drop Springs. 454BBC TH400,Posi 1971 Cheyenne 10 Long Fleet Side 454BBC TH350,Posi Sold Drive it like you stole it! Petey-pablo@sbcglobal.net

07-22-2009, 05:31 AM	#10
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners I guess he`s saying that in many pictures of motors he has noticed a significant amount of undersized and/or dirty air filters and feels that needs to brought up.I agree 100% with the point he made.Engines are air pumps that run on combustion created by adding a small amount of fuel to the air.I wonder how many gallons of air per mile we use. There`s a formula that determines the cubic area of an air cleaner for a given displacement.Going bigger is never a bad thing.Dirt reduces the effective cubic dimension and we all know that a dirty filter kills power as well as fuel economy.It`s a cheap part to replace and is the single best way to assure optimum fuel economy,providing timing and carb are set correctly.I think that`s the only point he was trying to make. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~ Last edited by special-K; 07-22-2009 at 05:33 AM.

07-22-2009, 07:51 AM	#11
Tx Firefighter Watch out for your cornhole ! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Azle, Texas Posts: 14,162	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners I'm way ahead of you. My 327 has two mouths to breathe through. __________________ I'm on the Instagram- @Gearhead_Kevin

07-22-2009, 07:54 AM	#12
my67chevytruck Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Midlothian,TX (DFW) Posts: 4,555	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners That came out great Kevin.... __________________ Heath subscribe to the board here: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/payments.php http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=157669 FAQ how to's 1956 Chevy Apache 1967 C10 SWB FleetSide (under construction) 1969 K10 SWB FleetSide (Future Build) 1972 C10 SWB Stepside (Future Build) 56 chevy truck : http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2955823/1 67 truck build: http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=281357/1 69 k10: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=389470

07-22-2009, 08:15 AM	#14
72BlckButy Tot Roddin' Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 24,461	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners Kevin, that turned out great! PC'd I suppose? __________________ -Nate 1969 CST SWB - Project Blank Slate (4.5/6" ECE Static Drop, 6-lug disc brake upgrade (manual), Billet Specialties Vintec 20x8.5 255/40 (F) 20x10 295/40 (R), 250 I-6) 1960 AMF Skylark - Tot Roddin' (Lowered with custom frame; soon to include custom push bar and interior) 2008 Silverado CrewCab 1LT (5.3L, 3:73, 4x4, LT1, Z-71, Towing Package)

07-22-2009, 08:57 AM	#17
Tx Firefighter Watch out for your cornhole ! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Azle, Texas Posts: 14,162	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners Okay, I will get them out of my locker and snap pics when I get to work Friday. __________________ I'm on the Instagram- @Gearhead_Kevin

07-22-2009, 10:16 AM	#18
VanceH Loving the Jimmster Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Emmett, idaho Posts: 575	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners OK so here is the question, the first post is about dirty and SMALL air cleaner, i have a small 8 inch on my 350, but really whats the diff between an 8 inch and the one TX build, his two holes dont add up to 8 inch????

07-22-2009, 10:24 AM	#20
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07-22-2009, 10:27 AM	#21
VanceH Loving the Jimmster Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Emmett, idaho Posts: 575	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners Dont get me wrong i love the whole snorkle thing and TWO thats just sick!!! But i thought that by removing the whole stock air cleaner and going with even a small open sided cleaner you would get more air? If this is not the case i would like to get in line for a double snorkle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

07-22-2009, 11:09 AM	#23
Stocker 20' Daredevil (Ret) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jefferson State Posts: 13,722	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners Interesting thread, and it's certainly nothing new. I recall seeing pics in magazines when I was a kid (a looooong time ago!) and there were magnificent-looking engines with oh-so-tiny air cleaners. Even though I wasn't old enough to drive, it just didn't seem right to me... __________________ - Mike - 1972 K20 LWB 350/350/205 RIP El Jay

07-22-2009, 11:14 AM	#24
vectorit What? Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,617	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners Here's a pic of my dual snorkel air cleaner. It's a stock 65 SS set up I think? I liked it, so I went with it as well. Attached Images __________________ Chris 1968 K20 Suburban 1972 K10 LWB PU

07-22-2009, 12:27 PM	#25
ll____b0t____ll Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cody Wyoming Posts: 238	Re: I See So Many Great Motors with Small And ty Air Cleaners Its been my experiance that the more cubic inch's the more air is needed to feed that thirst for air. A few years back I was given one of those triangle edelbrock top air cleaners cuz I was told it would wake my 400 s/b right up and look good doing it. Well it looked good but it was easy to see the diference in the timeslips at the 1320. I had lost more than a second...thats huge. I started experimenting with diferent size air elements and honestly what I found is running the largest element that fit under a persons hood netted the best performance. Now I cant speak to gas milage as I hadnt tested for that. But I always either change out or clean my air element ever oil change depending on what Im running I.E KnN filters are reusable. I also find thats a good time to replace the fuel filter element, greese the suspention , clean the batterey terminals, and a few other things. Last edited by ll____b0t____ll; 07-22-2009 at 12:33 PM.

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