250 L-6, 3 on theTree. Do I swap for a 327 and a Four Speed - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

Todd327 · 08-06-2009, 12:48 AM

So "Project Welfare Truck", a 70 C-10 is running and the engine is fairly strong. The steering wheel shaft mechanism that shifts the tranny is a problem. One tab keeps over-riding the other and locking up. Does anyone sell a rebuild kit for this? Know anyone who knows what they are doing? I like the 250 for fuel efficiency and learned on a column shifter... but there's this guy who might give me a bent frame wrecked C-10 with a Muncie 4 in-the-floor and a ex-vette 327 to swap out. Can you hook up an automatic to a 250? Powerglide or 350 THM? Decisions! Opinions?

**special-K** · 08-06-2009, 06:15 AM

Take that stuff if the guy is giving it,or is real cheap.But,I like the idea of running a straight-6/3spd.I had a basic`72 shortbed with that combo and it ran great.I was all caught up in wanting to hot rod it up and swapped a 350/TH350.I really liked the way that thing ran with the 6 and these days saving every dollar matters.That Muncie 4spd will bolt right in.Any of those automatics with mount to your motor.But,I don`t like automatics behind a 250.They run best when you control the gears.

ebfabman · 08-06-2009, 07:36 AM

Once you get the shifter fixed, you won't want to change it. I drive a 6cyl 3 on tthe tree everyday and really like it.

threeonthetree · 08-06-2009, 11:38 AM

I have the same setup but I am wondering how to keep the colume shift from locking up
My locks up here and there.

Tx Firefighter · 08-06-2009, 11:43 AM

You can buy all of the wear parts to rebuild the shift mechanism and linkage from your local GM dealer. Once you rebuild it right, you can expect another 30 years of good service out of it.

Stock72c10 · 08-06-2009, 11:52 AM

Mine locks up if I don't shift sequentially, i.e. I can't go from 1st to 3rd or 3rd to 1st, but as long as I use second in between it never locks up.

Jim_PA · 08-06-2009, 12:52 PM

I have an idea -- Muncie with 4 on the tree

Some people just don't understand

PanelDeland · 08-06-2009, 05:44 PM

http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...column+shifter

So now you have no excuse to not stay with the ToT!!

BTW I like using a nail in place of the drill bit.The head keeps it from falling out.

68Stepbed · 08-07-2009, 07:45 AM

Put the Muncie behind the 6. The closer gear splits will make use of the 6's torque range better.

72BlckButy · 08-07-2009, 07:52 AM

Definitely keep the 250 3 on the tree... you will not regret it!

**Boog** · 08-08-2009, 11:27 AM

Just to throw another option in there for ya how bout going with a 5 speed? Then you can really enjoy shifting with overdrive as an added bonus. Just what the little 6 needs.

bluec10 · 08-09-2009, 04:12 PM

I grew up on the farm with the 250/3 speed combo and it has major nostalgia for me. But, my current truck with that setup just isn't practical to drive in town or on the highway. At 60 it revs so high that you can't hear the radio. I'm just too used to overdrive in my newer vehicles. I'd say switch.

LONGHAIR · 08-09-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 68Stepbed

Put the Muncie behind the 6. The closer gear splits will make use of the 6's torque range better.

That's just not so. The close (and relatively high) gear ratios of these Muncie boxes were designed for hi-reving cars, with low rear end gears. You would need an even lower gear to run a heavy truck.....and it would suck on the highway.

TwoFiftyShifter · 08-09-2009, 05:16 PM

Listen. A muncie 4speed is a 1:1 4th gear. Meaning if you are screaming at 60mph with the 250 3 on the tree, which you are, you will be screaming just as loud with the muncie. No good. Either keep it as is, they are great for short trips, or go with an overdrive tranny, T5 for manual. IN FACT, the premier tranny for you is a 3spd overdrive unit. Basically your current tranny with OD. Tough to find, but if you come by one it would be cool, AND would allow you to keep your column shift.

My Vote: 3spd stays.

08-06-2009, 12:48 AM	#1
Todd327 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Salisbury, NC Posts: 24	250 L-6, 3 on theTree. Do I swap for a 327 and a Four Speed So "Project Welfare Truck", a 70 C-10 is running and the engine is fairly strong. The steering wheel shaft mechanism that shifts the tranny is a problem. One tab keeps over-riding the other and locking up. Does anyone sell a rebuild kit for this? Know anyone who knows what they are doing? I like the 250 for fuel efficiency and learned on a column shifter... but there's this guy who might give me a bent frame wrecked C-10 with a Muncie 4 in-the-floor and a ex-vette 327 to swap out. Can you hook up an automatic to a 250? Powerglide or 350 THM? Decisions! Opinions?

08-06-2009, 06:15 AM	#2
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: 250 L-6, 3 on theTree. Do I swap for a 327 and a Four Speed Take that stuff if the guy is giving it,or is real cheap.But,I like the idea of running a straight-6/3spd.I had a basic`72 shortbed with that combo and it ran great.I was all caught up in wanting to hot rod it up and swapped a 350/TH350.I really liked the way that thing ran with the 6 and these days saving every dollar matters.That Muncie 4spd will bolt right in.Any of those automatics with mount to your motor.But,I don`t like automatics behind a 250.They run best when you control the gears. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

08-06-2009, 07:36 AM	#3
ebfabman Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 2,488	Re: 250 L-6, 3 on theTree. Do I swap for a 327 and a Four Speed Once you get the shifter fixed, you won't want to change it. I drive a 6cyl 3 on tthe tree everyday and really like it.

08-06-2009, 11:38 AM	#4
threeonthetree Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Wausau, WI Posts: 975	Re: 250 L-6, 3 on theTree. Do I swap for a 327 and a Four Speed I have the same setup but I am wondering how to keep the colume shift from locking up My locks up here and there. __________________ Smoking Tires Since 1992 1969 c10 AKA SIN 1985 SSWB TRAZER (super short wheel base)

08-06-2009, 11:43 AM	#5
Tx Firefighter Watch out for your cornhole ! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Azle, Texas Posts: 14,162	Re: 250 L-6, 3 on theTree. Do I swap for a 327 and a Four Speed You can buy all of the wear parts to rebuild the shift mechanism and linkage from your local GM dealer. Once you rebuild it right, you can expect another 30 years of good service out of it. __________________ I'm on the Instagram- @Gearhead_Kevin

08-06-2009, 11:52 AM	#6
Stock72c10 classic=of recognized value Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 317	Re: 250 L-6, 3 on theTree. Do I swap for a 327 and a Four Speed Mine locks up if I don't shift sequentially, i.e. I can't go from 1st to 3rd or 3rd to 1st, but as long as I use second in between it never locks up.

08-06-2009, 12:52 PM	#7
Jim_PA Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: PA Posts: 2,696	Re: 250 L-6, 3 on theTree. Do I swap for a 327 and a Four Speed I have an idea -- Muncie with 4 on the tree Some people just don't understand

08-06-2009, 05:44 PM	#8
PanelDeland I am a Referee of life. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Greensboro N.C. Posts: 13,992	Re: 250 L-6, 3 on theTree. Do I swap for a 327 and a Four Speed http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...column+shifter So now you have no excuse to not stay with the ToT!! BTW I like using a nail in place of the drill bit.The head keeps it from falling out. __________________ The 47-present Chevrolet and GMC Truck Message Board Network,it's owners,moderators,members,and associates of any type should not be held responsible for my opinion. You can't fix stupid,not even with duct tape. "My appearance is due to the fact that "GOD" does punish you for having too much fun!" Barrett-Jackson has perfected alchemy,they make rust into gold! "You can lead a horse to water but you can't saddle a duck" "Cleverly disguised as a 'Responsible Adult' "Sometimes your Knight in shining armor is just a retard in tinfoil" Last edited by PanelDeland; 08-06-2009 at 05:46 PM.

08-07-2009, 07:45 AM	#9
68Stepbed Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 10-Uh-See Posts: 5,609	Re: 250 L-6, 3 on theTree. Do I swap for a 327 and a Four Speed Put the Muncie behind the 6. The closer gear splits will make use of the 6's torque range better. __________________ Matt 68 C10 stepside, LS1/700R4, TCI Engineering suspension system

08-07-2009, 07:52 AM	#10
72BlckButy Tot Roddin' Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 24,461	Re: 250 L-6, 3 on theTree. Do I swap for a 327 and a Four Speed Definitely keep the 250 3 on the tree... you will not regret it! __________________ -Nate 1969 CST SWB - Project Blank Slate (4.5/6" ECE Static Drop, 6-lug disc brake upgrade (manual), Billet Specialties Vintec 20x8.5 255/40 (F) 20x10 295/40 (R), 250 I-6) 1960 AMF Skylark - Tot Roddin' (Lowered with custom frame; soon to include custom push bar and interior) 2008 Silverado CrewCab 1LT (5.3L, 3:73, 4x4, LT1, Z-71, Towing Package)

08-08-2009, 11:27 AM	#11
Boog laying low Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Searcy, Ark. USA Posts: 13,531	Re: 250 L-6, 3 on theTree. Do I swap for a 327 and a Four Speed Just to throw another option in there for ya how bout going with a 5 speed? Then you can really enjoy shifting with overdrive as an added bonus. Just what the little 6 needs. __________________ Boog 69 Chevy stepside, 358/T350, 4.11 posi, 4.5/4 drop, rallys, poboy driver primer is finer 91 Chevy sportside, Tahoe, Yukon & GMC Crewcab All GM..'nuff said. I stand for the flag and kneel at the cross

08-09-2009, 04:12 PM	#12
bluec10 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 663	Re: 250 L-6, 3 on theTree. Do I swap for a 327 and a Four Speed I grew up on the farm with the 250/3 speed combo and it has major nostalgia for me. But, my current truck with that setup just isn't practical to drive in town or on the highway. At 60 it revs so high that you can't hear the radio. I'm just too used to overdrive in my newer vehicles. I'd say switch. __________________ Present: 2015 Tacoma. Yeah, not a GM, but I love it. 1969 GMC 32,000 - fix, drive, relax, fix... 2019 BMW R1250 GSA - Yahoooooooo 1979 Honda GL 1000 - retro touring at its best. Past: '05 Sierra 4x4 - Had 270,000 KM and running well when it was written-off by a stop sign runner. '94 F-150 from the "F word" company. I'll admit it...good truck. Sold what was left of it for $800 to a guy who came to pick it up at 11:00 PM with cash in hand. Hmm. '79 Sierra Grande (Black) organ donor - perfect rebuildable 4-bolt 350 and a good TH350. '76 Sierra Grande (Orange) - hate isn't too strong a word. Kid who bought it turned it into a hot rod. '68 C-10 R.I.P. - Dad's old truck...too far gone to resurrect. '59 C-50 - with hoist. Truck is gone, wife isn't. Nuff said.

08-09-2009, 05:16 PM	#14
TwoFiftyShifter Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Gwinnett GA Posts: 1,803	Re: 250 L-6, 3 on theTree. Do I swap for a 327 and a Four Speed Listen. A muncie 4speed is a 1:1 4th gear. Meaning if you are screaming at 60mph with the 250 3 on the tree, which you are, you will be screaming just as loud with the muncie. No good. Either keep it as is, they are great for short trips, or go with an overdrive tranny, T5 for manual. IN FACT, the premier tranny for you is a 3spd overdrive unit. Basically your current tranny with OD. Tough to find, but if you come by one it would be cool, AND would allow you to keep your column shift. My Vote: 3spd stays. __________________ 1982 K10 SWB 1987 V20 - Sold - Doh!



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