Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

**tkeduk8r** · 04-29-2010, 01:29 PM

motor is complete from holley carb to pan... it is late 72 vintage...what should I expecet to pay??? I have varified the build date and mileage (67K).. no pics right now but i did get the valve cover sticker and SPID from the glove box.. ill have pix later tonight... may have to shoot the guy an offer b4 that though.... any opinions????
--Mike

cdowns · 04-29-2010, 01:57 PM

$400-$500

**tkeduk8r** · 04-29-2010, 10:02 PM

thanks cdowns... any other opinions???i think i have to call this guy in the morning....
--Mike

Longhorn Man · 04-29-2010, 11:16 PM

personally, I'd just pass on it. in stock form, it is small block power with big block parts prices and MPG. And to make it into a monster, you would be into 502 kinda money... with an old block instead of new.

beebster · 05-01-2010, 12:34 AM

my buddy is a welder and he's got em sitting all over his yard. (also a bunch of 466's)
He calls them "boat anchors"
It's obvious from the fact that nobody wants them, that they are not in demand.

**71blksuper4x4** · 05-01-2010, 12:47 AM

They are worth the forged crank in them though. They are the same as car engine cranks. Trevor

QKENUF4U · 05-01-2010, 01:24 AM

yep and with a few aftermarket parts can be built to be monster torque motors..... i personally would take one for a street truck.. do some research and youll find the parts needed to make it a really nice street motor......

**special-K** · 05-01-2010, 08:41 AM

They are very well worth the effort.They make hellish torque like some expect from a Caddy swap.They are popular for boat motors.There are parts to make them run better than most would think.That old iron can`t be beat and like said,that crank is a gem.When it comes to hot rodding motors economics go out the window.More power ain`t cheap.In stock form it`s just cool factor.I believe someone has a warmed over one somewhere in the parts board right now.I`d pay no more than $500.It will run some bucks waking the monster up inside,but well worth it.How cool would that be,all said and done?

CE20934 · 05-01-2010, 09:11 AM

$400-500 is a good price.

I bought my 427 for a bit less than $200. No distributor, intake, or carb, but it had everything else.

Like special-K says, it's a torque monster, and you will spend some $$$ waking it up. I spent around $3000 rebuilding mine. That included new (rebuilt) heads, longer conn rods (so I could run normal BBC pistons), pistons, intake, and slip-collar distributor.

QKENUF4U · 05-01-2010, 10:50 AM

lots of good info here.... sounds like a winner to me...

http://www.google.com/search?q=427+t...8&sourceid=ie7

**FRENCHBLUE72** · 05-01-2010, 03:30 PM

I paid 500 for the whole sub that mine came out of but its a 454 also..

Longhorn Man · 05-01-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FRENCHBLUE72

I paid 500 for the whole sub that mine came out of but its a 454 also..

a tall deck is not the same as a normal big block like your 454.

junkyardjohn · 05-01-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by special-K

They are very well worth the effort.They make hellish torque like some expect from a Caddy swap.They are popular for boat motors.There are parts to make them run better than most would think.That old iron can`t be beat and like said,that crank is a gem.When it comes to hot rodding motors economics go out the window.More power ain`t cheap.In stock form it`s just cool factor.I believe someone has a warmed over one somewhere in the parts board right now.I`d pay no more than $500.It will run some bucks waking the monster up inside,but well worth it.How cool would that be,all said and done?

I HAVE WANTED TO BUILD ONE OF THESE FOR A LONG TIME. THERES A TON OF POTENTIAL TO BUILD A STROKER OUT OF ONE OF THESE. IT SEEMS LIKE JUST PUTTING THREE RING PISTONS (COMPARED TO THEIR NORMAL FOUR RING PISTONS) AN INTAKE, SMALL CAM,CARB & A SET OF HEADERS & VIOLA. INSTANT COOL.

JOHN

junkyardjohn · 05-01-2010, 08:25 PM

WOW.. JUST PULLED UP THAT LINC. Results 1 - 10 of about 4,060 for 427 tall deck stroker kits. I'VE OWNED 250 INLINES THAT GOT A WHOPPING 13 MPG & REPLACED IT WITH A 500 HP. 468 THAT GOT 10 MPG NO BFD HERE ON NON-EXISTING MILIAGE. THESE OLD TRUCKS ARE ABOUT AS AERO-DYNAMIC AS A CINDER BLOCK.

JOHN

'72customdeluxe · 05-01-2010, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by junkyardjohn

I HAVE WANTED TO BUILD ONE OF THESE FOR A LONG TIME. THERES A TON OF POTENTIAL TO BUILD A STROKER OUT OF ONE OF THESE. IT SEEMS LIKE JUST PUTTING THREE RING PISTONS (COMPARED TO THEIR NORMAL FOUR RING PISTONS) AN INTAKE, SMALL CAM,CARB & A SET OF HEADERS & VIOLA. INSTANT COOL.

JOHN

except nothing fits. So you have to pick certain headers, different dizzy, intake spacers or a different intake. Unless you're building bigger than a 540 they're as useless as tits on a boar hog. JMO. Will they fit with a/c or a stock power booster even

darthwall · 05-02-2010, 03:14 AM

I was looking at one of these today on CL its a 74 with 3500 miles on it the guy wants 400 bucks for it I was almost ready to jump in the truck and go but decided not to and they did make 454 tall decks also you wont find many but they are out there if you look on mortec one of the 454T has 4.5" pistons that to me sounds like a nice base to start from

Bishops Trucks · 05-02-2010, 07:47 AM

I paid around 400 for mine. If I can find the link, I'll post it. They have stroker kits for these motors. I think I'm going with a 525 C.I. kit.

http://www.speedomotive.com/ps-78-7-...roker-kit.aspx

ripdog28 · 05-02-2010, 08:10 AM

All of this is personal opinion. For $400 you can get 525+CI. Better then $2300. fact is a 427T can get you serious CI for Cheap. 525 CI for under $3000 for a short block is a great deal.

junkyardjohn · 05-02-2010, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by '72customdeluxe

except nothing fits. So you have to pick certain headers, different dizzy, intake spacers or a different intake. Unless you're building bigger than a 540 they're as useless as tits on a boar hog. JMO. Will they fit with a/c or a stock power booster even

NOT TO WORRY.. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN A 100 POINT CONCOURSE TRUCK & I'M NOT A VIRGIN TO BUILDING BIG BLOCKS OR SMALLYS. IF IT'LL FIT BETWEEN THE FRAME RAILS... I CAN MAKE IT WORK. DIFFERENT?? YEP... MOST THINGS THAT APPEAL TO ME ARE. SOME PEOPLE ARE VERY HAPPY TO PUT IN A "HECKO IN MEHICO" CRATE ENGINE & USE ALL OF THERE EXISTING 40 YR. OLD EXTERNALS. BUT I'M NOT. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GET EXCITED OVER ANY HO-HUM DRIVETRAIN. (I'VE BEEN GUILTY OF SPENDING OVER $1400 JUST ON MACHINE WORK FOR A SET OF CAST IRON 049 BBC HEADS) LIKE TIM SAID....When it comes to hot rodding motors economics go out the window. CRAZY?? YOU BET. BUT I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE PAY $75 EACH (YOU NEED TWO)FOR NOS GROMMITS THAT GO THRU THE FIREWALL FOR WINDSHEILD WASHER LINES, JUST BECAUSE THEY CAME IN THE COVETTED BLUE & WHITE ENVELOPE, THAT YOU ARE GOING TO CRUMPLE UP THROW AWAY AFTER YOU INSTALL THEM. (ACE HARDWARE SELLS AN ALMOST IDENTICAL GROMMET FOR 70 CENTS) NOW TO ME.. THATS CRAZY.

AS FAR AS CADDY MOTORS?? THEY'RE OK.. I GUESS... JUST PULL A VALVE COVER & INSPECT THE VALVETRAIN & DECIDE FORSELF IF IT IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO SPIN AT 7000 RPMS. THERES A REASON THE JUNKYARDS ARE FULL OF EM.

JOHN

1LIME69 · 05-02-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bishops Trucks

I paid around 400 for mine. If I can find the link, I'll post it. They have stroker kits for these motors. I think I'm going with a 525 C.I. kit.

http://www.speedomotive.com/ps-78-7-...roker-kit.aspx

I LOVE MY TALL DECK 427!
That is what I have in my 69 SWB is a 525 ci. All Eagle rotating assembly, Brodix CNC heads, Edlebrock intake, Quickfuel carb and Hooker Super Comp headers.
As far as I could tell is the only part that was more expensive than any other BB engine was the intake, they are $100 - $200 more expensive than a standard deck BB. I also had to move one tube on my headers to clear the drivers side A-arm.
I haven't driven my truck since October as I have been doing a 3.5/5 disk brake swap with little time to work on it, so I don't know how the Nitto 305/35/20's are gonna handle the power/torque this tall deck makes yet, but I know it would smoke the stock tires w/hubcaps @ 60 mph before. All I can say is money well spent.

QKENUF4U · 05-02-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 1LIME69

I LOVE MY TALL DECK 427!
That is what I have in my 69 SWB is a 525 ci. All Eagle rotating assembly, Brodix CNC heads, Edlebrock intake, Quickfuel carb and Hooker Super Comp headers.
As far as I could tell is the only part that was more expensive than any other BB engine was the intake, they are $100 - $200 more expensive than a standard deck BB. I also had to move one tube on my headers to clear the drivers side A-arm.
I haven't driven my truck since October as I have been doing a 3.5/5 disk brake swap with little time to work on it, so I don't know how the Nitto 305/35/20's are gonna handle the power/torque this tall deck makes yet, but I know it would smoke the stock tires w/hubcaps @ 60 mph before. All I can say is money well spent.

that sounds fun fun fun.....

but come on.... dinky exhaust and no power brakes

1LIME69 · 05-02-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by QKENUF4U

that sounds fun fun fun.....

but come on.... dinky exhaust and no power brakes

Oh no that is an old pic. I have 3.5" side pipes with Flowmaster Super 40's, and my headers are coated now. As for the brakes thats taken care of now also. Can you say doughnuts. Round and round!!!

cdowns · 05-02-2010, 01:17 PM

builing is nice but to me the reason to buy a lomilage is lift it up put it in turn the key and you've got an awesome tow vehicle in a weekend no fuss very little effort

**tkeduk8r** · 05-02-2010, 05:36 PM

I stopped out at the scrap yard yesterday, but the owner of the truck wasnt there... his manager did tell me that he beleived the owner was gonna offter the engine AND trans to me for $200!!!! I am stoked!!! gonna find out tomorrow or sure though.... The trans is a 5 speed, but im not sure if it is the OD version or not... I know remember reading on the board somewhere that some of the c40+ trucks had them and one board member did include one in his build.... The manager did let me take the glove box out of the truck, so I included a pic of the SPID... Thanks for all the advice...
--Mike

Bishops Trucks · 05-02-2010, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1LIME69

I LOVE MY TALL DECK 427!
That is what I have in my 69 SWB is a 525 ci. All Eagle rotating assembly, Brodix CNC heads, Edlebrock intake, Quickfuel carb and Hooker Super Comp headers.
As far as I could tell is the only part that was more expensive than any other BB engine was the intake, they are $100 - $200 more expensive than a standard deck BB. I also had to move one tube on my headers to clear the drivers side A-arm.
I haven't driven my truck since October as I have been doing a 3.5/5 disk brake swap with little time to work on it, so I don't know how the Nitto 305/35/20's are gonna handle the power/torque this tall deck makes yet, but I know it would smoke the stock tires w/hubcaps @ 60 mph before. All I can say is money well spent.

Very nice, now I can't wait to start on mine. To many projects, to little time.

04-29-2010, 01:29 PM	#1
tkeduk8r Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Alexandria, MN Posts: 1,462	Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck motor is complete from holley carb to pan... it is late 72 vintage...what should I expecet to pay??? I have varified the build date and mileage (67K).. no pics right now but i did get the valve cover sticker and SPID from the glove box.. ill have pix later tonight... may have to shoot the guy an offer b4 that though.... any opinions???? --Mike __________________ 63 C20 2WD, 230/SM420/4.11 73K 68 C30 dump truck, 327,SM425,4.56 66K original 68 C10 2WD SWB Stepper, 250/3-tree/3.73 66K.... Wifes 68 Buick Skylark Custom Conv., 350/TH400/2.56 In our family since '79 69 GMC 1500 SWB 2WD, 350/TH350/3.73 posi... 70 K10 SWB 4X4 4-sp,ps, pb, tilt, buckets, console, sliding back window (Need AC parts) WIP 72 Chevy K20 4x4 350/350/205/4.56 donor 72 Vette 350/M21/3.70 posi, triple black and super fast 84 Olds Cutlass Brougham 350/2004r/4.11 was Dad's

04-29-2010, 01:57 PM	#2
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck $400-$500 __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

04-29-2010, 10:02 PM	#3
tkeduk8r Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Alexandria, MN Posts: 1,462	Re: Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck thanks cdowns... any other opinions???i think i have to call this guy in the morning.... --Mike __________________ 63 C20 2WD, 230/SM420/4.11 73K 68 C30 dump truck, 327,SM425,4.56 66K original 68 C10 2WD SWB Stepper, 250/3-tree/3.73 66K.... Wifes 68 Buick Skylark Custom Conv., 350/TH400/2.56 In our family since '79 69 GMC 1500 SWB 2WD, 350/TH350/3.73 posi... 70 K10 SWB 4X4 4-sp,ps, pb, tilt, buckets, console, sliding back window (Need AC parts) WIP 72 Chevy K20 4x4 350/350/205/4.56 donor 72 Vette 350/M21/3.70 posi, triple black and super fast 84 Olds Cutlass Brougham 350/2004r/4.11 was Dad's

04-29-2010, 11:16 PM	#4
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck personally, I'd just pass on it. in stock form, it is small block power with big block parts prices and MPG. And to make it into a monster, you would be into 502 kinda money... with an old block instead of new.

05-01-2010, 12:34 AM	#5
beebster Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Aurora,Il ..born,raised and still live in the same house Posts: 286	Re: Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck my buddy is a welder and he's got em sitting all over his yard. (also a bunch of 466's) He calls them "boat anchors" It's obvious from the fact that nobody wants them, that they are not in demand. Last edited by beebster; 05-01-2010 at 12:36 AM.

05-01-2010, 12:47 AM	#6
71blksuper4x4 SWB 4x4 Collector Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Osage City, KS Posts: 5,155	Re: Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck They are worth the forged crank in them though. They are the same as car engine cranks. Trevor __________________ TREVOR 1970 CST swb 4x4 (speedwarning,cruise,tilt,tach,8track, original red shoulder belts,tow hooks) 1972 Jimmy (soon to be Hickey cloned) 1971 Cheyenne Super 4x4 swb (tilt,tach,buckets, original blue shoulder belts,am/fm,cruise,tow hooks, dealer 8 track) 1972 Cheyenne Super K20 4x4 Custom Camper (tilt, tach, am/fm, tow hooks, bed toolbox, aux gas tank 1972 Cheyenne Super Crew Cab K30 4x4 Duramax, Allison, np205, buckets, tow hooks (CURRENT PROJECT) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=624819 1989 V3500 Crew Cab (454tbi, NV4500, np205) 1970 Chevelle SS (LS5 454,th400,8track,buckets,tach) :2004 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon (daily driver) WTB: 1968-70 Cruise Control Lever

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QKENUF4U Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SUNNY WARM BIKE RIDING COTTONWOOD ARIZONA Posts: 2,097	Re: Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck yep and with a few aftermarket parts can be built to be monster torque motors..... i personally would take one for a street truck.. do some research and youll find the parts needed to make it a really nice street motor......

05-01-2010, 08:41 AM	#8
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,858	Re: Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck They are very well worth the effort.They make hellish torque like some expect from a Caddy swap.They are popular for boat motors.There are parts to make them run better than most would think.That old iron can`t be beat and like said,that crank is a gem.When it comes to hot rodding motors economics go out the window.More power ain`t cheap.In stock form it`s just cool factor.I believe someone has a warmed over one somewhere in the parts board right now.I`d pay no more than $500.It will run some bucks waking the monster up inside,but well worth it.How cool would that be,all said and done? __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

05-01-2010, 09:11 AM	#9
CE20934 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Help! I'm in an office park with its own network of freeways! Posts: 470	Re: Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck $400-500 is a good price. I bought my 427 for a bit less than $200. No distributor, intake, or carb, but it had everything else. Like special-K says, it's a torque monster, and you will spend some $$$ waking it up. I spent around $3000 rebuilding mine. That included new (rebuilt) heads, longer conn rods (so I could run normal BBC pistons), pistons, intake, and slip-collar distributor. __________________ '67 C20--427 tall deck/SM420, 4.10 HO52 (Michigan has not been kind to the Old Man) '95 Caprice--355 LT1/T56/3.42 8.5" 10-bolt (daily driver, almost 300k on the chassis) '07 Outback--wife's car. 125k & counting. No head gasket or transmission issues yet. fingers crossed

05-01-2010, 10:50 AM	#10
QKENUF4U Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SUNNY WARM BIKE RIDING COTTONWOOD ARIZONA Posts: 2,097	Re: Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck lots of good info here.... sounds like a winner to me... http://www.google.com/search?q=427+t...8&sourceid=ie7

05-01-2010, 03:30 PM	#11
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05-01-2010, 08:25 PM	#14
junkyardjohn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SOMERSET KY. Posts: 6,427	Re: Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck WOW.. JUST PULLED UP THAT LINC. Results 1 - 10 of about 4,060 for 427 tall deck stroker kits. I'VE OWNED 250 INLINES THAT GOT A WHOPPING 13 MPG & REPLACED IT WITH A 500 HP. 468 THAT GOT 10 MPG NO BFD HERE ON NON-EXISTING MILIAGE. THESE OLD TRUCKS ARE ABOUT AS AERO-DYNAMIC AS A CINDER BLOCK. JOHN __________________ junkyardjohn 69 1 TON TOW TRUCK // 84 4WD CUCV BLAZER// 85 1 TON 4WD STAKE TRUCK// 86 M1031 5/4 TON 4WD CUCV// ALOT OF OLD TRUCKS FOR ONE OLD MAN TO DRIVE. THERES ROOM FOR ALL OF GODS CREATURES RIGHT NEXT TO MY MASHED POTATOES// LIFE MEMBER OF P.E.T.A (PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS) DON'T RENT U-HAUL ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH IT WILL AMAZE PART OF THE PEOPLE & ASTONISH THE REST

05-02-2010, 03:14 AM	#16
darthwall Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: washington Posts: 274	Re: Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck I was looking at one of these today on CL its a 74 with 3500 miles on it the guy wants 400 bucks for it I was almost ready to jump in the truck and go but decided not to and they did make 454 tall decks also you wont find many but they are out there if you look on mortec one of the 454T has 4.5" pistons that to me sounds like a nice base to start from

05-02-2010, 07:47 AM	#17
Bishops Trucks KEEP ON TRUCKIN' Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sterling, Va. Posts: 5,731	Re: Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck I paid around 400 for mine. If I can find the link, I'll post it. They have stroker kits for these motors. I think I'm going with a 525 C.I. kit. http://www.speedomotive.com/ps-78-7-...roker-kit.aspx __________________ JIM '97 GMC Sierra K1500 '95 Chevy Silverado C1500 '71 Cheyenne Z71 / LT1 & 4-Speed SWB K/10 Father/Son Project http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l689JKXPnA http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/payments.php "LIVIN' FREE FOREVER"

05-02-2010, 08:10 AM	#18
ripdog28 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Imperial Beach, CA Posts: 1,040	Re: Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck All of this is personal opinion. For $400 you can get 525+CI. Better then $2300. fact is a 427T can get you serious CI for Cheap. 525 CI for under $3000 for a short block is a great deal. __________________ 69 c-10 BBC 462ci, forged crank, H-beam rods, 10.5-1 KB forged pistons, Dart Iron Eagle 308cc, Straub Cam, Comp Cams chrome moly full rollers, Weiand Team G, Prosystems 950, TH400/3500 Dalenzie stall, Currie 9+ Detroit Locker w/31spline axles.3.5/6in drop. My Build.



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05-02-2010, 01:17 PM	#23
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck builing is nice but to me the reason to buy a lomilage is lift it up put it in turn the key and you've got an awesome tow vehicle in a weekend no fuss very little effort __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

05-02-2010, 05:36 PM	#24
tkeduk8r Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Alexandria, MN Posts: 1,462	Re: Got a chance at a low mileage 427 tall deck I stopped out at the scrap yard yesterday, but the owner of the truck wasnt there... his manager did tell me that he beleived the owner was gonna offter the engine AND trans to me for $200!!!! I am stoked!!! gonna find out tomorrow or sure though.... The trans is a 5 speed, but im not sure if it is the OD version or not... I know remember reading on the board somewhere that some of the c40+ trucks had them and one board member did include one in his build.... The manager did let me take the glove box out of the truck, so I included a pic of the SPID... Thanks for all the advice... --Mike Attached Images __________________ 63 C20 2WD, 230/SM420/4.11 73K 68 C30 dump truck, 327,SM425,4.56 66K original 68 C10 2WD SWB Stepper, 250/3-tree/3.73 66K.... Wifes 68 Buick Skylark Custom Conv., 350/TH400/2.56 In our family since '79 69 GMC 1500 SWB 2WD, 350/TH350/3.73 posi... 70 K10 SWB 4X4 4-sp,ps, pb, tilt, buckets, console, sliding back window (Need AC parts) WIP 72 Chevy K20 4x4 350/350/205/4.56 donor 72 Vette 350/M21/3.70 posi, triple black and super fast 84 Olds Cutlass Brougham 350/2004r/4.11 was Dad's

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