traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

71GMCinTN · 07-16-2010, 04:26 PM

Well, traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today (cast # 3970010). A nice German RWS model 52 .22 caliber (not like a reg. 40.00 pellet rifle,lol) but I'm happy. A friend got it from an old hog famer, said it was too powerful for him. Heard it run in a close friend's son's truck (now decesed...was like a brother). He junked the truck, so I decided I wanted it. It's all grimey, and no idea what's inside of it, yet. Finally started the Goodwrench 350 in my truck the other day (purrs like a kitten), so now I will have a good foundation to build a spare on.
Has Weiand finned aluminum valve covers, Edelbrock Performer (looks diff. than the one a friend gave me the other day, maybe older?) double-hump heads (if I am not mistaken) Holley 4 barrel (no idea which one). Regardless, I got the motor stand ready (only used it once in 15 years for a Honda motor for my brother) and a spot in the living room (kool girlfriend, of 6 yrs), so it's fixing to be show time!
Just loaded it up, and haven't cleaned it yet so.............mighty dirty people.
Posted one close up of the intake, are they all made like that around the goose neck, or did it get too hot? Have another intake cleaned up and ready to put on..so it really doesn't matter.
Was going to grab the set of ram horn manifolds laying next to it, but one looked like it got too hot.......well, was a real whiteish color.

hoss67 · 07-16-2010, 04:37 PM

Cool good score. Just think what you could have got if you would have traded a shot gun. Lol. J/K

71GMCinTN · 07-16-2010, 04:58 PM

LOL good one Hoss! Actually, he did mention he needed a 1/2 drive impact, so if this one checks out (fingers crossed) I might have to get him an Ingersol Rand!
(Everyone I deal with has been like family for 30+ yrs) Real good people (wish they still had the junk yard...sold it years ago, but still have some choice stuff) Kinda like the old Dodge in the garage.....(thought it was a Ford Model A.... until I saw the "Dodge Brothers" badge on the grill)

71GMCinTN · 07-16-2010, 05:02 PM

OH..........think my other friend (the one who gave me this 71 GMC) wants one of these Ford trucks they have. One has a flat head V8 in it. Rough I know, but gives us something to do.....lol

marks1972 · 07-16-2010, 07:18 PM

well as long as it wasnt a Red Rider i guess it is a good score.

71GMCinTN · 07-16-2010, 07:38 PM

Half way expected to see roller rockers...........lol

GRX · 07-16-2010, 09:06 PM

Yes, those do indeed appear to be older (no bolt holes in ends) double hump heads. A good find. Hopefully the exhaust valve seats aren't trashed from lack of Lead.

**truckdude239** · 07-16-2010, 10:05 PM

it is an older motor but it clean trhat is the main thing

**truckdude239** · 07-16-2010, 10:07 PM

according to that casting number that is a 327 out of a 1968 truck

1968 3970010 327 - - 2

http://www.nastyz28.com/sbchevy/sblock.php
nm same casting number for the

1969-79 3970010 350 185 370 2 or 4

charx2 · 07-16-2010, 11:30 PM

I'm pretty sure the #s are for a 350, I have the same castings and mine came out of a 79 corvette.
http://www.ajgeneral.com/sbc_block_casting_numbers/

71GMCinTN · 07-17-2010, 10:31 AM

Well, was so nasty on the outside, I thought it was a Performer intake, but it's a Edelbrock Torker II. For as dirty as it is on the outside, it's spotless on the inside.

marks1972 · 07-17-2010, 10:42 AM

ok you have convensed me. even if it was a Red Rider it was a good score. by the way i got one (Red Rider) if ya want to do another trade. Just sayin

oldblue1968chevy · 07-17-2010, 11:34 AM

dang nice trade!!!

Davetopay · 07-17-2010, 02:54 PM

Sounds like a score to me!

Check the bearings, have the heads surfaced, toss in a new cam with some roller rockers and go to town! Heh....for some reason I keep picturing an old school weiand tunnel ram on that thing with a HUGE cam.

88fordf150 · 07-17-2010, 03:04 PM

Hurry and pull the pan! lets have a look.

71GMCinTN · 07-17-2010, 08:02 PM

Well, still can't believe how clean it is. Had one place on the head gasket between #3 & #5 looked bad. Pulled the pan off. Cast crank. Will deff. check the rod bearings, and resurface the heads (etc.), and prob. get another cam. Don't have a puller here to get the harmonic balance off, yet. Cam lobes could look better from the parts of the lobes I can see. Rings feel great. Freeze plugs look new. I just really traded since I needed the valve covers and a future block to build, but I really can't believe how good this one is checking out.
Bored .030 over.

71GMCinTN · 07-17-2010, 08:15 PM

Oh.............just happened to think.... the head bolt in the same area of that bad place on the gasket, was only torqued to about 30lbs. (just guessing).

oldblue1968chevy · 07-17-2010, 10:06 PM

wow you just score and score again!

71GMCinTN · 07-17-2010, 10:17 PM

Have nothing good to measure these valves at this moment, but someone might know it their 2.02 or not.

71GMCinTN · 07-17-2010, 10:27 PM

Will take a picture of the ram horn exhausts, and post a pic. See if that one has been too hot. Should grab the other one regardless. Had a set of headers that go with this motor, chrome, but have a bit of rust.

bitchin85 · 07-17-2010, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 71GMCinTN

Have nothing good to measure these valves at this moment, but someone might know it their 2.02 or not.

those are 1.96 / 1.5 camel humps not 2.02 1.6.. still good though. if they were 2.02/1.6 valves, they would be so big they would be almost touching each other. you can barely fit a hair between them

71GMCinTN · 07-18-2010, 12:29 AM

Kool..........Thanks a bunch. Always heard of double-humps, fuelies, camel humps,etc., but never actually saw any until now.

MudBug · 07-20-2010, 01:19 AM

Good score,you didn't need that pellet rifle anyway.
The area of the block between the #3 & #5 cylinder can be checked by laying a straight edge of some kind and running a feeler gage under it.Also if the pad on the right front of the block still has the punched numbers vis

able, you can be pretty sure the block hasn't been decked.The motor you got is what we ran for years as stock car engines at Highland Rim and the Fairgrounds and they still use the same in some lower classes on dirt.

71GMCinTN · 07-20-2010, 07:42 AM

Never thought of that MudBug. Numbers are still there. (was going to check the deck with a straight edge, but haven't yet) Figured it would be easy to decode the numbers on the front pad, but wasn't. (well, I got side tracked too...)
Rod and main bearings looked good. Little signs of wear, but nothing bad. Was a bit of crankshaft end play. Crank turned .010/.010. Carb turned out to be a Holley 4160 600cfm vac. sec. and manual choke. Cam looked quite worn, and one lobe rounded very slightly. Figure I will get the crank polished, and it will be ok.
You may know of a good machine shop in the area. The place I used to use went out of business years ago. Thanks for you help/advice.

71GMCinTN · 07-20-2010, 08:05 AM

Oh.............hate to ask a stupid question, but is there a good way to check the wrist pins, or just get new ones? I would always get new ones, but this motor seems so fresh since the last rebuild (except for the camshaft). Hate to have any weak links. (think the block will be ok with a good honing, if the deck checks out)

07-16-2010, 04:26 PM	#1
71GMCinTN Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 52	traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today Well, traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today (cast # 3970010). A nice German RWS model 52 .22 caliber (not like a reg. 40.00 pellet rifle,lol) but I'm happy. A friend got it from an old hog famer, said it was too powerful for him. Heard it run in a close friend's son's truck (now decesed...was like a brother). He junked the truck, so I decided I wanted it. It's all grimey, and no idea what's inside of it, yet. Finally started the Goodwrench 350 in my truck the other day (purrs like a kitten), so now I will have a good foundation to build a spare on. Has Weiand finned aluminum valve covers, Edelbrock Performer (looks diff. than the one a friend gave me the other day, maybe older?) double-hump heads (if I am not mistaken) Holley 4 barrel (no idea which one). Regardless, I got the motor stand ready (only used it once in 15 years for a Honda motor for my brother) and a spot in the living room (kool girlfriend, of 6 yrs), so it's fixing to be show time! Just loaded it up, and haven't cleaned it yet so.............mighty dirty people. Posted one close up of the intake, are they all made like that around the goose neck, or did it get too hot? Have another intake cleaned up and ready to put on..so it really doesn't matter. Was going to grab the set of ram horn manifolds laying next to it, but one looked like it got too hot.......well, was a real whiteish color. Attached Images

07-16-2010, 04:37 PM	#2
hoss67 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Harrisville, MS Posts: 267	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today Cool good score. Just think what you could have got if you would have traded a shot gun. Lol. J/K

07-16-2010, 05:02 PM	#4
71GMCinTN Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 52	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today OH..........think my other friend (the one who gave me this 71 GMC) wants one of these Ford trucks they have. One has a flat head V8 in it. Rough I know, but gives us something to do.....lol Attached Images Last edited by 71GMCinTN; 07-16-2010 at 05:04 PM.

07-16-2010, 07:38 PM	#6
71GMCinTN Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 52	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today Half way expected to see roller rockers...........lol Attached Images

07-16-2010, 09:06 PM	#7
GRX Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: MD Posts: 1,937	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today Yes, those do indeed appear to be older (no bolt holes in ends) double hump heads. A good find. Hopefully the exhaust valve seats aren't trashed from lack of Lead.

07-16-2010, 04:58 PM	#3
71GMCinTN Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 52	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today LOL good one Hoss! Actually, he did mention he needed a 1/2 drive impact, so if this one checks out (fingers crossed) I might have to get him an Ingersol Rand! (Everyone I deal with has been like family for 30+ yrs) Real good people (wish they still had the junk yard...sold it years ago, but still have some choice stuff) Kinda like the old Dodge in the garage.....(thought it was a Ford Model A.... until I saw the "Dodge Brothers" badge on the grill) Attached Images

07-16-2010, 07:18 PM	#5
marks1972 Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Atoka, TN Posts: 240	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today well as long as it wasnt a Red Rider i guess it is a good score. __________________ Mark 1968 C-10 SWB 307/munci 4spd/411possi 1986-1990 1972 Cheyenne-10 LWB 350/TH350 IF SHE WHOULD HAVE KEEPT THE SHIRT ON THEY WOULDNT HAVE BROKEN UP THANKS ADAM SANDLER U. S. Navy Seabee "CAN DO", "The difficult we do at once. The impossible may take a little bit longer.","We Build We Fight", "Work Hard Play Hard"

07-16-2010, 10:05 PM	#8
truckdude239 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lewisville, Nc Posts: 10,234	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today it is an older motor but it clean trhat is the main thing __________________ David fuller Ase Certified Mechanic Click here to help support our board!! 1971 Chevy c-10 under going a 4.8l LSx swap Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=421305 2007 Honda Accord my daily 145kmiles 2002 Honda Accord 4 door With 330k(sisters car) 2005 toyota Avalon 228k( brothers car) 2002 Sububran 5.3 245k 2000 Tahoe 5.3l 378 General manager for Marco's Carwash & lube

07-16-2010, 10:07 PM	#9
truckdude239 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lewisville, Nc Posts: 10,234	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today according to that casting number that is a 327 out of a 1968 truck 1968 3970010 327 - - 2 http://www.nastyz28.com/sbchevy/sblock.php nm same casting number for the 1969-79 3970010 350 185 370 2 or 4 __________________ David fuller Ase Certified Mechanic Click here to help support our board!! 1971 Chevy c-10 under going a 4.8l LSx swap Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=421305 2007 Honda Accord my daily 145kmiles 2002 Honda Accord 4 door With 330k(sisters car) 2005 toyota Avalon 228k( brothers car) 2002 Sububran 5.3 245k 2000 Tahoe 5.3l 378 General manager for Marco's Carwash & lube Last edited by truckdude239; 07-16-2010 at 10:08 PM.

07-16-2010, 11:30 PM	#10
charx2 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 365	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today I'm pretty sure the #s are for a 350, I have the same castings and mine came out of a 79 corvette. http://www.ajgeneral.com/sbc_block_casting_numbers/ __________________ ----------------------------------------- My 67 c10 Thread. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=409192 Last edited by charx2; 07-16-2010 at 11:32 PM.

07-17-2010, 10:31 AM	#11
71GMCinTN Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 52	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today Well, was so nasty on the outside, I thought it was a Performer intake, but it's a Edelbrock Torker II. For as dirty as it is on the outside, it's spotless on the inside. Attached Images

07-17-2010, 10:42 AM	#12
marks1972 Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Atoka, TN Posts: 240	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today ok you have convensed me. even if it was a Red Rider it was a good score. by the way i got one (Red Rider) if ya want to do another trade. Just sayin __________________ Mark 1968 C-10 SWB 307/munci 4spd/411possi 1986-1990 1972 Cheyenne-10 LWB 350/TH350 IF SHE WHOULD HAVE KEEPT THE SHIRT ON THEY WOULDNT HAVE BROKEN UP THANKS ADAM SANDLER U. S. Navy Seabee "CAN DO", "The difficult we do at once. The impossible may take a little bit longer.","We Build We Fight", "Work Hard Play Hard"

07-17-2010, 11:34 AM	#13
oldblue1968chevy Grandpa in the rustmobile... Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Spokane WA/Viola TN Posts: 11,422	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today dang nice trade!!! __________________ John Goose-1968 C10 355,9.32-1CR, Vortec Heads ,262 voodoo, 3.73:1 3OTT (HS ride/beater/farm truck) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=317684 Grams 53-1953 Chevrolet Belair http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post4327784 1969 Chevy C10 Shortbed 4.5/6?" Frame off resto http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=548136 1999 Toyota Tacoma 4x4

07-17-2010, 02:54 PM	#14
Davetopay Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 424	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today Sounds like a score to me! Check the bearings, have the heads surfaced, toss in a new cam with some roller rockers and go to town! Heh....for some reason I keep picturing an old school weiand tunnel ram on that thing with a HUGE cam.

07-17-2010, 03:04 PM	#15
88fordf150 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 474	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today Hurry and pull the pan! lets have a look. __________________ Brad handshoe



Register or Log In To remove these advertisements.

07-17-2010, 08:02 PM	#16
71GMCinTN Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 52	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today Well, still can't believe how clean it is. Had one place on the head gasket between #3 & #5 looked bad. Pulled the pan off. Cast crank. Will deff. check the rod bearings, and resurface the heads (etc.), and prob. get another cam. Don't have a puller here to get the harmonic balance off, yet. Cam lobes could look better from the parts of the lobes I can see. Rings feel great. Freeze plugs look new. I just really traded since I needed the valve covers and a future block to build, but I really can't believe how good this one is checking out. Bored .030 over. Attached Images

07-17-2010, 08:15 PM	#17
71GMCinTN Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 52	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today Oh.............just happened to think.... the head bolt in the same area of that bad place on the gasket, was only torqued to about 30lbs. (just guessing). Last edited by 71GMCinTN; 07-17-2010 at 10:18 PM.

07-17-2010, 10:06 PM	#18
oldblue1968chevy Grandpa in the rustmobile... Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Spokane WA/Viola TN Posts: 11,422	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today wow you just score and score again! __________________ John Goose-1968 C10 355,9.32-1CR, Vortec Heads ,262 voodoo, 3.73:1 3OTT (HS ride/beater/farm truck) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=317684 Grams 53-1953 Chevrolet Belair http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post4327784 1969 Chevy C10 Shortbed 4.5/6?" Frame off resto http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=548136 1999 Toyota Tacoma 4x4

07-17-2010, 10:17 PM	#19
71GMCinTN Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 52	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today Have nothing good to measure these valves at this moment, but someone might know it their 2.02 or not. Attached Images Last edited by 71GMCinTN; 07-17-2010 at 10:19 PM.

07-17-2010, 10:27 PM	#20
71GMCinTN Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 52	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today Will take a picture of the ram horn exhausts, and post a pic. See if that one has been too hot. Should grab the other one regardless. Had a set of headers that go with this motor, chrome, but have a bit of rust.

07-18-2010, 12:29 AM	#22
71GMCinTN Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 52	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today Kool..........Thanks a bunch. Always heard of double-humps, fuelies, camel humps,etc., but never actually saw any until now.

07-20-2010, 01:19 AM	#23
MudBug Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: tennessee Posts: 159	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today Good score,you didn't need that pellet rifle anyway. The area of the block between the #3 & #5 cylinder can be checked by laying a straight edge of some kind and running a feeler gage under it.Also if the pad on the right front of the block still has the punched numbers visable, you can be pretty sure the block hasn't been decked.The motor you got is what we ran for years as stock car engines at Highland Rim and the Fairgrounds and they still use the same in some lower classes on dirt.

07-20-2010, 07:42 AM	#24
71GMCinTN Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 52	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today Never thought of that MudBug. Numbers are still there. (was going to check the deck with a straight edge, but haven't yet) Figured it would be easy to decode the numbers on the front pad, but wasn't. (well, I got side tracked too...) Rod and main bearings looked good. Little signs of wear, but nothing bad. Was a bit of crankshaft end play. Crank turned .010/.010. Carb turned out to be a Holley 4160 600cfm vac. sec. and manual choke. Cam looked quite worn, and one lobe rounded very slightly. Figure I will get the crank polished, and it will be ok. You may know of a good machine shop in the area. The place I used to use went out of business years ago. Thanks for you help/advice. Attached Images

07-20-2010, 08:05 AM	#25
71GMCinTN Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 52	Re: traded a pellet rifle for a 350 today Oh.............hate to ask a stupid question, but is there a good way to check the wrist pins, or just get new ones? I would always get new ones, but this motor seems so fresh since the last rebuild (except for the camshaft). Hate to have any weak links. (think the block will be ok with a good honing, if the deck checks out)

Register or Log In To remove these advertisements.